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Old 2012-03-21, 16:36   Link #4021
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Im talking about GoL, i mean, we don't know how hilde fell in love with him after he went to moon base, thus we never know how he started to like her, remember that when she was injured he freak out! and defeated a vayeate and mercurius with Trowa and Heero's AI.

And before trent find him with Zero, we saw only him living with her, but not how their relationship started, i mean maybe he saw hilde as a new chance to forget that he attracts death and destruction to everyone who likes him, and in FT when she died All of that "everyone stay back, im death incarnate, i attract only death and and destruction, leave me alone" returned.
Not exactly, considering they broke up well before her supposed death. But dude, that's GW for you. Everything is fast-forwarded, from character development to plot. You'll sooner see pigs fly than the writers delving further into romantic relationships. Squeezing the plot into 49 episodes was hard enough as it was. If you recall, it took Hilde about ten minutes to forget everything she previously believed and stood for and to help Duo, a total stranger who she had met for said ten minutes.
Though true, now we have a chance to see how exactly it developed (if it did). Still, considering the show's genre I doubt we'll get much. Perhaps a throwaway reference toward the end (series-EW) to tie it in with FT but really, don't get your hopes up too high. Seeing as they're already cutting a lot of scenes from the series, additional stuff like this is unlikely to be incorporated.

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You know, everyone always said that because they lived together they were in love, but I never saw that... Hilde seemed to have a crush on Duo, but it didn't look like Duo cared. Every time they were portrayed together, Duo just seemed to be taking care of her, nothing more. Then FT portrays him as a douche towards her. Continues to live with her, runs off, incurs a debt, marries her and immediately runs off again. Are those really the actions of a man who loves a chick he's known since he was 15?
As far as the series goes, it's safe to say that they were close. Duo worries immensely about Hilde; she's all to willing to throw her life away for him which in turn drives him up a wall because he's the one supposed to risk his life and "suffer as much as he did", not Hilde. The battle with MD Vayeate and Mercurius proves that. Then there's also this little joke here:

Spoiler for family portrait?:


Add a couple of years to Duo and Hilde and you can pass this off as a family outing.

In all seriousness though, there's definitely something there. But whether they are just friends, lovers or dunno, something like siblings is up to every viewer to decide. Personally, I felt a lot of their scenes were rushed and forced but the general idea is that Hilde is Duo's "home to return to," as he himself says at the end of EW. So yeah, for all it's worth he loves her. In what way is up to everyone's preference.

Now, FT gives us some very odd developments concerning their characters and their relationship. I've said before that I'm not a fan of it since Duo got turned into a total douche for no reason, what with him marrying Hilde just because he wanted the joined assets to buy a motorbike. Likewise, Hilde agreeing to marry him just because he cuts the braid is stupid beyond belief. Hence, I'm disinclined to use it as an argument for the nature of their relationship in the series.

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Is that i want to know what hell he's doing there????
Not much, actually. He finished the incomplete Gundams, trained his little sister and now he's chilling with Trowa and Catherine on the Shorfok 2. Aaaand he's angsting about his sister being evil and stuff.
As for his family, he isn't married if that's what you want to know. Thanks to FT he decided to be all emo and to "neither love nor marry anyone" because he totally killed his mother and father and a crapload of soldiers. Taking the blame for everything, that's Quatre alright.
EDIT: As for the family business, Quatrine is treated as the heir now (hence the middle name which apparently only heirs have).

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Old 2012-03-21, 16:41   Link #4022
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I never said he was gay, nor do I think that any of the pilots ever were. I just said that a relationship with Hilde never showed itself with either the series and now with the events in FT.
remember that he naver cared for anyone in the series, he can be the most funny guy ever, but he always wanted to everyone that he loved stay away from him bcuz of what happened to him, Hilde was the exepction, she started to hang out with him, he even tried to be a dick but she was always there to take care of him and he started to like her too, Heero was his Counter, They became friends fast, If Duo was The Spock, Heero was The Kirk.

and about his Drunken Tony Stark condition on FT, i think that he lost his faith on himself after Hilde's death and only junior his holding him.

ex: he's didn't get the nanites to stop the rapid aging process thanks to his injuries after the bike accident, his wife died trying to find a cure for him and left him alone with his only son, his best friend was in Stasis,and the other pilots cound't do nothing to help him, things like that makes someone loose faith in himself after everything that happened, and only junior is there helping him, imagine a guy like him suffering from a severe case depression, but he's using all of his strenght to hide that, even from his Son and his Best Friend, if something worse happen for both two, i belive(i don't know) that most most foward he'll freak out and do the thing by himself(A freak out at the same level or worse than quatre when he build zero after his father's death).
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Old 2012-03-21, 19:20   Link #4023
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Duo is supposed to be American so he plays the stereotype of an on-again-off-again relationship guy perfectly :P
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remember that he naver cared for anyone in the series, he can be the most funny guy ever, but he always wanted to everyone that he loved stay away from him bcuz of what happened to him, Hilde was the exepction, she started to hang out with him, he even tried to be a dick but she was always there to take care of him and he started to like her too, Heero was his Counter, They became friends fast, If Duo was The Spock, Heero was The Kirk.

and about his Drunken Tony Stark condition on FT, i think that he lost his faith on himself after Hilde's death and only junior his holding him.

ex: he's didn't get the nanites to stop the rapid aging process thanks to his injuries after the bike accident, his wife died trying to find a cure for him and left him alone with his only son, his best friend was in Stasis,and the other pilots cound't do nothing to help him, things like that makes someone loose faith in himself after everything that happened, and only junior is there helping him, imagine a guy like him suffering from a severe case depression, but he's using all of his strenght to hide that, even from his Son and his Best Friend, if something worse happen for both two, i belive(i don't know) that most most foward he'll freak out and do the thing by himself(A freak out at the same level or worse than quatre when he build zero after his father's death).
I don't think we'll ever come to an agreement here, because like Ikuze said, everyone has their own way of looking at it. No, I personally don't think that he liked her as anything more then just a friend. And as a friend, of course he was concerned for her when she did something so "reckless and stupid", in his opinion.

Duo cared about a lot of people (he and Quatre were the only ones who seemed to want to get to know the rest of the anti-social group of pilots). He cared about the kids he ran with before getting to the orphanage. He cared about Heero, busting him out of an Alliance hospital, giving his gundam back, and offer help to fix it up. He could have just left him in the hands of the Alliance and gone with his original plan of using Wing as spare parts. He cared about Quatre, going out of his way to go visit him and telling him about where to find Trowa because he knew that Quatre was feeling guilty about what happened. Heck, he even cared about WuFei (and no one seems to care much about him)! I'm not quite sure where this notion that he wanted and actively kept people away came from when his personality is the exact opposite.

And last I recall, Duo said that Jr. isn't his son, even if Jr. is a xerox copy of him (and then the timeline makes it impossible for either Hilde or Duo to be Jr.'s parents... unless Duo was spreading his seed like Hilde said).
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Old 2012-03-22, 11:03   Link #4024
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In there any chance of a Frozen Teardrop translation since zeonic-republic has dropped the translation project even though I do not like where the story is headed I grew up watching Gundam Wing and have always wanted another series with the original Wing cast and more of Wing Zero and Heero it seems like the Wing Series has the potential to be as popular as the UC but the writer are just taking the in a strange direction
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Old 2012-03-23, 01:30   Link #4025
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Can some tell me what is happening in the like how did this happened ? What I mean is what is FT about and where are we at now?

And what do the new gundams look like ? I like the all the gundams but i like heero's gundam's more like wing zero.
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Old 2012-03-23, 06:39   Link #4026
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In all honesty, you can get away with just reading the spoilers I translate each month... there's really nothing new aside from that. All of the important points are summarized from each chapter.

As for what the Gundams look like... we don't know. 17 chapters in and no appearance as of yet. I doubt we'll get them any time soon. I'm still trying to figure out why we have all of this useless background information being shoved down our throats anyways :/
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Old 2012-03-23, 07:55   Link #4027
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Isn't there a Japanese site rewriting it not scanning? I can try my chances with translation programs or even google translation!!!

Or at least (or if my request is against the forum roles) can someone enumerate the chapters of FT out up till now?

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Old 2012-03-23, 08:51   Link #4028
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I'm not quite sure where this notion that he wanted and actively kept people away came from when his personality is the exact opposite.
THIS. Thank you! This angsting is so overplayed by the fandom. While it's true that he doesn't want to get anyone into trouble (since he is a Gundam pilot, not death incarnate), it's not like he goes out of his way to be as unsocial and callous as he can be. That's Heero. Duo is the exact opposite. *points at his interaction with Relena, Heero, Quatre, Wu Fei and Hilde*

I also don't get where the notion came from that Heero and Duo are best buds (probably the yaoi fandom >_>). Sure, they're friends but best friends? Those two don't even understand each other half the time whereas Heero and Trowa don't even need words to know what the other is thinking. Likewise, we see Duo and Quatre hang out together way more than any of the other pilots.

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Can some tell me what is happening in the like how did this happened ? What I mean is what is FT about and where are we at now?

And what do the new gundams look like ? I like the all the gundams but i like heero's gundam's more like wing zero.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry. It's been nearly two years and we still don't know what the stupid suits look like. Or the pilots. -__-

As for a summary, Deacon's timeline should do. part 1 part 2

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I'm still trying to figure out why we have all of this useless background information being shoved down our throats anyways :/
Once you find an answer let me know, please. I'm drawing a blank here, too.
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Old 2012-03-23, 09:35   Link #4029
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■新機動戦記ガンダムWフローズンティアドロップ
P309-

今月も機体公開なし。
今月号の表紙は仮面をつけたドレス姿のサブリナと
ゼクスの仮面をかぶったカテリナ。
タイトルは「寂寥の狂詩曲・Ⅰ」
レディ・アン役の紗ゆりさんへの追悼があります。


「シス・マーキス」という名前でゼクスと同じ仮面をつけ
軍服を着てワイバーンを駆るカテリナ。
※後の「ゼクス・マーキス」はカテリナのこれが元になっている。

国のため自らエリック・シャーゴールドに求婚するサブリナ。
挿絵は後のサンクキングダム王マルティクスとシス・マーキスがP315。
初代ヒイロ・ユイとトレーズそっくりなサンカント・クシュリナーダが
P323に掲載されている。

来月号のガンダムエースにはガンダムUC白黒ギラギラ
クリアファイルセットが付録につく。
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Old 2012-03-23, 10:24   Link #4030
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Kouryakukan:

■新機動戦記ガンダムWフローズンティアドロップ
P309-

今月も機体公開なし。
今月号の表紙は仮面をつけたドレス姿のサブリナと
ゼクスの仮面をかぶったカテリナ。
タイトルは「寂寥の狂詩曲・Ⅰ」
レディ・アン役の紗ゆりさんへの追悼があります。


「シス・マーキス」という名前でゼクスと同じ仮面をつけ
軍服を着てワイバーンを駆るカテリナ。
※後の「ゼクス・マーキス」はカテリナのこれが元になっている。

国のため自らエリック・シャーゴールドに求婚するサブリナ。
挿絵は後のサンクキングダム王マルティクスとシス・マーキスがP315。
初代ヒイロ・ユイとトレーズそっくりなサンカント・クシュリナーダが
P323に掲載されている。

来月号のガンダムエースにはガンダムUC白黒ギラギラ
クリアファイルセットが付録につく。
Google translate is idiot, but I'm a genius, so got that Katrina was wearing Zeches mask, & there is some talk about lady Une past, but the last few lines talking about marriage of Sabrina to Eric for Sanc: is this true? I thought the ruler of Sanc before Relena was her father not her mother ?
Besides, didn't get the relation between Hero (& don't know which Hero is that) & Kushrenada.
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Old 2012-03-24, 14:20   Link #4031
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Spoiler for family portrait?:


Add a couple of years to Duo and Hilde and you can pass this off as a family outing.

EDIT: As for the family business, Quatrine is treated as the heir now (hence the middle name which apparently only heirs have).
OH, GOOD GOD! That would definitely be a Hilde/Duo family outing right there!!! You are really paying close attention to the series!

Really? Only the Winner heirs have a middle name? I never heard of the at before... heck, I can't remember if Quatre's father had a middle name in the series. See, if Sumizawa would have told us that Katrine Oud was created so she could be the next heir to the Winner linage, because Quatre never married and fathered any kids, I think I would be more accepting about her existence. I still don't think that Quatre would clone himself just for this, but it would make much more sense then if he created her just to be spare parts!

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I also don't get where the notion came from that Heero and Duo are best buds (probably the yaoi fandom >_>). Sure, they're friends, but best friends? Those two don't even understand each other half the time whereas Heero and Trowa don't even need words to know what the other is thinking. Likewise, we see Duo and Quatre hang out together way more than any of the other pilots.
I'm sure it was the yaoi fandom, because after all, look at them! They look so cute together!!!


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Google translate is idiot, but I'm a genius, so got that Katrina was wearing Zeches mask, & there is some talk about lady Une past, but the last few lines talking about marriage of Sabrina to Eric for Sanc: is this true? I thought the ruler of Sanc before Relena was her father not her mother ?
Besides, didn't get the relation between Hero (& don't know which Hero is that) & Kushrenada.
LOL! If you stick the summery one sentence at a time and just do some logical deducing, you get a pretty good idea of what it's saying.

-The title is "Rhapsody of Loneliness"
-Both Kathrina and Sabrina are on the cover (I think both have masks), and Kathrina is wearing Zechs' mask.
-There is a mention/memorial to Lady Une's voice actress Yuri who passed away not too long ago.
-Kathrina is wearing her Wyvrne piloting suit and sporting a mask (which is called or has the word "Zechs" on it?)
-The mask that Zechs wears later on is a copy (based off) of Kathrina's

-Eric proposes to Sabrina (thinking that this will help save Sanc?)
-There's a picture on P.315 that has an illustration of the Sanc Kingdom (and something to do with a king... can't figure this out too well)
-Heero Yuy (polotician?) and Trize look like/resemble Cinquante Khrushrenada. (I've no clue what's happening here) (or it could just mean that Trieze looks like both his grandfathers, Heero Yuy and Cinquante Khrushrenada).
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Old 2012-03-24, 16:02   Link #4032
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LOL! If you stick the summery one sentence at a time and just do some logical deducing, you get a pretty good idea of what it's saying.

-The title is "Rhapsody of Loneliness"
-Both Kathrina and Sabrina are on the cover (I think both have masks), and Kathrina is wearing Zechs' mask.
-There is a mention/memorial to Lady Une's voice actress Yuri who passed away not too long ago.
-Kathrina is wearing her Wyvrne piloting suit and sporting a mask (which is called or has the word "Zechs" on it?)
-The mask that Zechs wears later on is a copy (based off) of Kathrina's

-Eric proposes to Sabrina (thinking that this will help save Sanc?)
-There's a picture on P.315 that has an illustration of the Sanc Kingdom (and something to do with a king... can't figure this out too well)
-Heero Yuy (polotician?) and Trize look like/resemble Cinquante Khrushrenada. (I've no clue what's happening here) (or it could just mean that Trieze looks like both his grandfathers, Heero Yuy and Cinquante Khrushrenada).
Yeah, that's better than my Google translate-edited translation! I thought that if I have the Jap text I would be able to get what is going on better!
I'm curious, is it that you use a better way of translation? a specific program or site?
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Old 2012-03-25, 02:23   Link #4033
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Yeah, that's better than my Google translate-edited translation! I thought that if I have the Jap text I would be able to get what is going on better!
I'm curious, is it that you use a better way of translation? a specific program or site?
No... just broke it down one word at a time in Google Translate. It also helps to know your Katakana and Hiragana as well as some Japanese sentence structure.

But that last sentence is really throwing me off... The way it's structured makes me think that it's saying that Cinquante looks like the original Heero Yuy and Traize... but that doesn't make any sense, hence my assumption that it saids that Traize looks like both Heero and Cinquante (Again, this doesn't make sense because we were already told that Traize looks like his father, Ein Yuy).
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Old 2012-03-25, 03:21   Link #4034
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I don't know who is who

But here is what I think it says

Kathrina is wearing the same mask as Zechs and is using the same last name as Zechs also it says that's where Zechs got his last name

It's Sabrina who proposes to Eric thinking it will help her Kingdom

Cinquante looks like both the first Heero Yuy and Treize not the other way around(no idea how that works)
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- No suits to be shown this month also
- The title pic is Sabrina in a dress wearing a mask and Katerina wearing Zechs' mask
- A tribute to the actress who played Lady Une

- Katerina pilots the Wyvern dressed in military attire wearing the same mask as Zechs with the name "Cis Merquise" (Sis?)
- Zechs Merquise is later based on Katerine's

- Sabrina proposes to Eric personally for the country
- Pg.315 is a picture of the Sanc Kingdom's ruler Multics and Cis Merquise
- Pg.323 is a picture of the original Heero Yuy with Cinquante Khushrenana who resembles Treize
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Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
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Old 2012-03-25, 12:22   Link #4036
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Actually, try the French six (which is pronounced "sis") for シス. It's too much of a nod to be anything else.
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Old 2012-03-25, 17:29   Link #4037
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HEY in blind target i found this video containing dialogues of characters that doesn't have in the manga it would be nice if someone could translate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zBE...eature=related
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Old 2012-03-26, 00:01   Link #4038
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- No suits to be shown this month also
- The title pic is Sabrina in a dress wearing a mask and Katerina wearing Zechs' mask
- A tribute to the actress who played Lady Une

- Katerina pilots the Wyvern dressed in military attire wearing the same mask as Zechs with the name "Cis Merquise" (Sis?)
- Zechs Merquise is later based on Katerine's

- Sabrina proposes to Eric personally for the country
- Pg.315 is a picture of the Sanc Kingdom's ruler Multics and Cis Merquise
- Pg.323 is a picture of the original Heero Yuy with Cinquante Khushrenana who resembles Treize
LOL!I'll leave the translating to the experts from now on! ^_________^

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HEY in blind target i found this video containing dialogues of characters that doesn't have in the manga it would be nice if someone could translate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zBE...eature=related
that's pretty cool! I rather they animate it then just have audio ^_^
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Actually, try the French six (which is pronounced "sis") for シス. It's too much of a nod to be anything else.
True, but it would still be wrote as "six". There are a couple of ways to look at this:

Cis is another name for C#. From a Latin perspective it also means "on the same side".
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Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
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Old 2012-03-26, 13:11   Link #4040
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Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna View Post
I also don't get where the notion came from that Heero and Duo are best buds (probably the yaoi fandom >_>). Sure, they're friends but best friends? Those two don't even understand each other half the time whereas Heero and Trowa don't even need words to know what the other is thinking. Likewise, we see Duo and Quatre hang out together way more than any of the other pilots.
Whether they were best of buds is an debate for another time, but I'd actually say Heero and Duo hung out together more than they did with other pilots. From the series, to the supporting mangas that are considered canon, and EW, they were often around one another.
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