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Old 2012-03-27, 02:43   Link #17921
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And don't you mean Kanzaki Kaoru because you mentioned Kazakiri twice?
I mentioned Kazakiri twice because he made two emotional rescue for her

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That's the whole point
That really wasnt my intention

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so the whole beat to a pulp and turn into a mummy while stopping the mace of doom is not stylish at all
Yeah but it wasnt to rescue a girl specfically so it doesnt count...

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Who is Aisa? (rhetoric, don't answer)

Well, he also saved Fremea with style... not that she noticed. Instead he impressed Accelerator and Hamazura... again.
Thats why I didnt count it.
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Old 2012-03-27, 03:23   Link #17922
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Next volume is Silvia, Birdway and Brunhild posse going to give Gremlin some BDSM loving.
I'm looking forward to that

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The full power of Holy Right and Aeonic shift are two separate concepts.

Aeonic has its list of requirement to be fulfilled before it can become possible, regardless what power you have.
Fiamma, conducted the Aeonic shift ceremony for an outdated Aeon, in other word, he wasted the output of Holy Right onto something inferior.
It is not a problem Holy Right achieve full power or not, rather Fiamma didn't use the power of Holy Right for something better.
Holy Right's power is always there, Fiamma's problem has always lies in how to draw it out and how to apply it onto the target he wants.
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The right in Holy Right, simply means the direction. The sacredness of the right side, simple as that.
The power that Holy Right contains does not change. But how much you can draw out depends on your subject.
As far as Holy Right itself goes, it is at its perfection once the refining process is done. Its total value of power would not change after that.
Oh ... that pretty much resumes the basis, thanks
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Old 2012-03-27, 08:34   Link #17923
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The refining was completed by vol.21
Under a inferior format yes, but refined none the less.
Eh? Then using Touma's arm as a container wasn't part of the refinement?

I know Star of Bethlehem was an Osirian Temple but he still needed the containing arm...

Then if the power output is the same, what would the difference be between an Osirian Holy Right and a Horusian one?
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Old 2012-03-27, 08:47   Link #17924
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by the way from the ss brunhild did manage to create albeit an imperfect gungnir if i dont mistaken it was destroyed by kanzaki afterwards..do you think that can created again it will be a great weapon in war against the gremlin
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Old 2012-03-27, 09:20   Link #17925
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^ That would be suicide. Gungnir is Odin(Othinus)'s weapon and without doubt no one could benefit more from it than her, and quite likely she's planning on making it herself. If the good guys were to make it they would risk having it stolen by Othinus and that would be the end for them.

EDIT: They would be much better trying to make a spiritual item based on Fenrir, the one who will devour Odin upon Ragnarok.
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Old 2012-03-27, 09:37   Link #17926
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Eh? Then using Touma's arm as a container wasn't part of the refinement?

I know Star of Bethlehem was an Osirian Temple but he still needed the containing arm...

Then if the power output is the same, what would the difference be between an Osirian Holy Right and a Horusian one?
IMO, The difference is like using an advanced computer(Holy Right) to play a web-browser game(Osirian) or Starcraft 2(Horusian). Of course the analogy is a very extreme one, but that's the idea as far as I understand from Aleister's explanation anyway. Fiamma was too focused in completing the advanced computer and he forget he need Starcraft 2 too fully show the advanced computer processing power and ends up wasting the processing power on outdated game(web browser game).
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Old 2012-03-27, 10:34   Link #17927
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By NT5 huge battle is about to dawn upon us once more why touma couldnt just make a the third power "Touma faction" that he said from NT2? it will be nice balancer to the current standing dont you think?

Those that willingly join touma is quite alot dont you think so...(plus ally)
Touma's Side
Himegami aisa
Fuse=kazakiri (debatable)
Misaka Mikoto
Amakusa Catholic
Kanzaki Kaori
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Agnese Forces
Mikoto clone
Ollerus (and silvia as Ally)
Kumokawa Maria
Safee Openday
Brunhild (as Ally)
Levinia bardway and Golden Cabal (as Ally)
Fiamma
Lessar (and probably the other too)
Elizalina
musujime awaki
Sherry Cromwell
etzali (maybe)

Hamazura Side
Mugino
Takitsubo
Kinuhata

Accelerator Side
Misaka Worst
Kuroyoru

Alot dont you think..they could probably hold their own ground...against most forces
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Old 2012-03-27, 11:02   Link #17928
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I don't think Bardway would workout because at the end of NT3 they had a falling out which caused their relationship to be strained and caused him to go incognito in NT4.
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Old 2012-03-27, 11:58   Link #17929
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Not to mention, Kamijou isn't Savvy enough to lead them. He gets tricked a lot.
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Old 2012-03-27, 12:37   Link #17930
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^ this is ironic, even though everyone said he's got everything to be a leader ... those same people successfully manipulated him at multiple times >.>

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Eh? Then using Touma's arm as a container wasn't part of the refinement?

I know Star of Bethlehem was an Osirian Temple but he still needed the containing arm...

Then if the power output is the same, what would the difference be between an Osirian Holy Right and a Horusian one?
No, the right hand wasn't part of the refinement, it's sole purpose was to help Fiamma process HR's refined energy, thus allowing Fiamma to use 100% of his new power. If that's the problem, he did get the right arm and did complete the entire ritual ... and was defeated in that complete state >.>

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IMO, The difference is like using an advanced computer(Holy Right) to play a web-browser game(Osirian) or Starcraft 2(Horusian). Of course the analogy is a very extreme one, but that's the idea as far as I understand from Aleister's explanation anyway. Fiamma was too focused in completing the advanced computer and he forget he need Starcraft 2 too fully show the advanced computer processing power and ends up wasting the processing power on outdated game(web browser game).
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Old 2012-03-27, 12:45   Link #17931
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But at least he does not want to be manipulated, this is an advance, but even so, people who handle him, would be able to handle much of the cast. Sorry if I'm wrong, but so Kakine was manipulated by Aleister
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Old 2012-03-27, 12:46   Link #17932
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Eh.... Touma's right arm sole purpose was to act as HR's flesh container.
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Old 2012-03-27, 14:00   Link #17933
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An interesting, sales ranking :

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-8409.html


Spoiler for the ranking:


436.0 + 580.1 = 1,016.1, right?!
947.3 + 707.6 = 1,654.9, right?!

The true NO.2 N0.1 is obviously him, right?
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Old 2012-03-27, 14:01   Link #17934
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I was asking on stead on others :P I wasn't confused about the holy right.

And no Touma is a great role model or even a moral leader(if you just see his good points), but he is a terrible leader at least combat wise.

You are giving him to much credit and probably more than half of them won't join him.
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Old 2012-03-27, 14:12   Link #17935
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To see Touma in a situation where he lead some kind of action, I'd really rather not try to judge (we might be surprised, perhaps), but as said, not even half of them may want to join if there really is a creation of a third side.
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Old 2012-03-27, 15:14   Link #17936
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I've just read finish the fight between Marian and Touma, like before I have alot of things to comment but I'll say this much first- Its seems like a long time since Touma rescued a girl in style.

I mean the whole dynamic entry in their most darkest moment, while naturally looking cool, there hasn't been a good one since Kuroko , Orsola and Hyouka I think. Normally I dont advocate mindless inclusion of Kamijou harem, but this time Im definite tossing in my support for Maria to 'become involved' lol. We haven't had a new girl actually crushing on him since Itsuwa. Though that said, with the exception of Mikoto and the sisters, none of the other girls he saved in style had actually fallen for him
I thought Touma coming in to save Kanzaki and the rest just when Acqua was about to deliver the final blow was one of his best entries yet

Then there's also Touma brofisting Sherry's Golem
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Old 2012-03-27, 15:26   Link #17937
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By NT5 huge battle is about to dawn upon us once more why touma couldnt just make a the third power "Touma faction" that he said from NT2? it will be nice balancer to the current standing dont you think?

Those that willingly join touma is quite alot dont you think so...(plus ally)
Touma's Side
Himegami aisa
Fuse=kazakiri (debatable)
Misaka Mikoto
Amakusa Catholic
Kanzaki Kaori
Index
Agnese Forces
Mikoto clone
Ollerus (and silvia as Ally)
Kumokawa Maria
Safee Openday
Brunhild (as Ally)
Levinia bardway and Golden Cabal (as Ally)
Fiamma
Lessar (and probably the other too)
Elizalina
musujime awaki
Sherry Cromwell
etzali (maybe)

Hamazura Side
Mugino
Takitsubo
Kinuhata

Accelerator Side
Misaka Worst
Kuroyoru

Alot dont you think..they could probably hold their own ground...against most forces
i think it's gonna be a lot later than NT5. It's kinda new arc like the GRS arc which had sub arcs.
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Old 2012-03-27, 16:33   Link #17938
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And no Touma is a great role model or even a moral leader(if you just see his good points), but he is a terrible leader at least combat wise.

You are giving him to much credit and probably more than half of them won't join him.
Whatever I like of Touma, I have to agree that he is not a leadership material, I have no illusions about it. From day 1 till now he is a lone wolf character, occasionally teaming up with other characters if the situations demands it.

But I said it before and I'll say it again, he is not the type to lead a faction.
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Old 2012-03-27, 16:46   Link #17939
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Old 2012-03-27, 16:51   Link #17940
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I thought Touma coming in to save Kanzaki and the rest just when Acqua was about to deliver the final blow was one of his best entries yet
Acqua: With this, I win.
Touma: *Negates the attack*
Acqua: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
*gets stabbed*

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Then there's also Touma brofisting Sherry's Golem
Golem: Brofist!
Touma: Come at me, bro!
Golem: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
*gets destroyed*
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