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UsagiTenpura · 2012-03-30, 22:04

To go along with this I'll suppose a Rokkenjima Prime really exists...

We know nothing about it that we can be certain of.
Lion could exist in it. Discrepencies between Prime and the gameboard doesn't matter since there's no one to scrutinize them with reliable information about prime.

To Lion, the Ange he meets in TP7 is as theoretical as he is to her.

jjblue1 · 2012-03-30, 23:19

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Originally Posted by UsagiTenpura

To go along with this I'll suppose a Rokkenjima Prime really exists...

We know nothing about it that we can be certain of.
Lion could exist in it. Discrepencies between Prime and the gameboard doesn't matter since there's no one to scrutinize them with reliable information about prime.

To Lion, the Ange he meets in TP7 is as theoretical as he is to her.

Well, generally we consider Rokkenjima Prime the world that ends up becoming Ange's world and that's our only source of info for Prime.
So, since no one in that Prime ever heard about Lion, Lion 'doesn't exist' in Prime (though Ange would probably like Lion's prime because in it Battler never went on Rokkenjima and therefore he survived and he's likely living with her).

UsagiTenpura · 2012-03-31, 00:13

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Originally Posted by jjblue1

Well, generally we consider Rokkenjima Prime the world that ends up becoming Ange's world and that's our only source of info for Prime.
So, since no one in that Prime ever heard about Lion, Lion 'doesn't exist' in Prime (though Ange would probably like Lion's prime because in it Battler never went on Rokkenjima and therefore he survived and he's likely living with her).

Problem is, Ange had a fictional conversation with Hachijou in arc 6.
The same can apply to the rest of scenes with Ange... where basically we have no idea if she really lived any of these events or not.
The only Ange we know might be as fictional as the rest, wether or not Ange's world really exists. The one at the end of arc 7 that sees Lion is aware of being a piece, so definitively isn't the real Ange.

GreyZone · 2012-03-31, 04:52

I think the only "PRIME scenes" are the ones with Ikuko's (almost-)revalation and the last scenes with ange in magic ending and ??? TP. I think even Tohya's first memories somehow are not right, as I think Ikuko only made him think that it happened like that.

So to say, the only scenes we can accept as they are, only exist in EP8.

jjblue1 · 2012-03-31, 07:56

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Originally Posted by UsagiTenpura

Problem is, Ange had a fictional conversation with Hachijou in arc 6.
The same can apply to the rest of scenes with Ange... where basically we have no idea if she really lived any of these events or not.
The only Ange we know might be as fictional as the rest, wether or not Ange's world really exists. The one at the end of arc 7 that sees Lion is aware of being a piece, so definitively isn't the real Ange.

I doubt all we see about Ange's world is real as Ange has 4 possible endings. If we want Prime is the moment that goes from the Rokkenjima tragedy to Ange being about to jump down of a building. Everything else that happens is closed in the catbox 'Ange's future'.

GreyZone · 2012-03-31, 08:18

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Originally Posted by jjblue1

I doubt all we see about Ange's world is real as Ange has 4 possible endings. If we want Prime is the moment that goes from the Rokkenjima tragedy to Ange being about to jump down of a building. Everything else that happens is closed in the catbox 'Ange's future'.

R07 said in an interview that:

Spoiler for WARNING! EP8 ENDING!:

jjblue1 · 2012-03-31, 09:01

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Originally Posted by GreyZone

R07 said in an interview that:

Spoiler for WARNING! EP8 ENDING!:

Witch of Uncertainty · 2012-04-03, 13:34

I hear a lot of people talk about how Yasu yells at Genji, because he saved her and she is as good as furniture, etc.

Having replayed through the game, I didn't read that anywhere? Do I remember wrong, or is it from another game? Did I just completely miss it?

Drifloon · 2012-04-03, 13:59

It's one of the scenes that flash by when Bern cuts Clair open with her scythe (which she totally stole from Erika by the way) at the end of the EP7 tea party.

Vaskerry · 2012-07-28, 13:03

Spoiler for Theory Rokkenjima:

Vandrao · 2013-04-14, 12:14

Hey guys, could someone explain to me the transitions between episode 6 and episode 7? It was said a couple of times throughout episode 6 that that was going to be the "final" game. I guess it's the fantasy part of the story so I shouldn't get so caught up in it, but Battler was the game master in ep6 and he had won the game, so wouldn't he be the master in ep7 as well? I guess I should throw in here the transition from 7 to 8 where Battler suddenly becomes the game master as well.

GreyZone · 2013-04-14, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Vandrao

Hey guys, could someone explain to me the transitions between episode 6 and episode 7? It was said a couple of times throughout episode 6 that that was going to be the "final" game. I guess it's the fantasy part of the story so I shouldn't get so caught up in it, but Battler was the game master in ep6 and he had won the game, so wouldn't he be the master in ep7 as well? I guess I should throw in here the transition from 7 to 8 where Battler suddenly becomes the game master as well.

"Episode 6" concluded Battler's fight. He had no reason to start another game. Episode 7 had either Bernkastel or Aurora as the game master and should give some answers about the past and most answers about the fictional stories surrounding Rokkenjima. As for the "real events on Rokkenjima" it depends on whether you believe the story from the EP7 tea party, or not.

About the events of EP8, how many survivors there really were and what really happened after the Rokkenjima incident, we should discuss in the spoiler forum.

Vandrao · 2013-04-14, 13:32

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Originally Posted by GreyZone

"Episode 6" concluded Battler's fight. He had no reason to start another game. Episode 7 had either Bernkastel or Aurora as the game master and should give some answers about the past and most answers about the fictional stories surrounding Rokkenjima. As for the "real events on Rokkenjima" it depends on whether you believe the story from the EP7 tea party, or not.

About the events of EP8, how many survivors there really were and what really happened after the Rokkenjima incident, we should discuss in the spoiler forum.

I figured it would be something along those lines. I haven't actually gone very far into ep8 yet, and I've been skipping back and forth between earlier episodes, so I'll get over to the spoiler forum when I'm done. Thanks for the insight.

charlieparrot · 2013-05-08, 19:54

I've got a quick question if someone could help clear this up. I haven't read Ep7 in ages and haven't read Ep8 yet. Did Yasu make a fake murder mystery for Battler to figure out and did this turn into real murders like the Ep7 tea party? Did Yasu actually kill people as she suggested she would have in the tea party? Or is all of these speculations considered possible due to the Cat Box mystery?

AuraTwilight · 2013-05-08, 20:13

We don't know. The Cat Box seems to lock everything up in ambiguity forever. HOWEVER, a popular interpretation, and one I subscribe to, is that Yasu orchestrated a mystery game that got derailed by someone else using it as the perfect cover, and that Bern's Tea Party was just orchestrated to be the most hurtful thing to Ange.

charlieparrot · 2013-05-08, 21:00

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Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

We don't know. The Cat Box seems to lock everything up in ambiguity forever. HOWEVER, a popular interpretation, and one I subscribe to, is that Yasu orchestrated a mystery game that got derailed by someone else using it as the perfect cover, and that Bern's Tea Party was just orchestrated to be the most hurtful thing to Ange.

Thanks

This is going to help when my friend finishes Ep7 and wants to discuss things with me ^^

2012-03-30, 22:04	Link #3701
UsagiTenpura Echo of Noise Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Yesterday!	To go along with this I'll suppose a Rokkenjima Prime really exists... We know nothing about it that we can be certain of. Lion could exist in it. Discrepencies between Prime and the gameboard doesn't matter since there's no one to scrutinize them with reliable information about prime. To Lion, the Ange he meets in TP7 is as theoretical as he is to her. __________________ ~INTP~

2012-07-28, 13:03	Link #3710
Vaskerry Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Spoiler for Theory Rokkenjima: I believe that Yasu as the inheritor got everyone to play along because remember EVERYONE NEEDED MONEY, everyone except Battler. She may have even gone as far as getting Rudolf/Kyrie to get Battler to the Family Conference, which would explain how Kyrie/Rudolf planned ahead and decided to leave Ange at home. I mean, you just don't commit crime over theoretical gold ingots and a legend of a golden witch, Yasu probably talked to the siblings after becoming the inheritor a thus revealed the reality of the gold and that she would give them money if everyone played along. Which explains how relatives got cards after the acciddent in Rokkenjima, someone planned everything ahead. Ange just had to go and check Kyrie's mailbox to see if she had a card and the mysteries would all be solved. I also believe Kanon doesn't exist or at least doesn't have a body to claim like Shannon, because it's the only Corpse Beatrice <Deletes> with magic, however this would only be true if we support the <Trick> ending, I believe in the <Magic> ending. Last edited by Vaskerry; 2012-07-28 at 13:44.

2013-05-08, 20:13	Link #3715
AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	We don't know. The Cat Box seems to lock everything up in ambiguity forever. HOWEVER, a popular interpretation, and one I subscribe to, is that Yasu orchestrated a mystery game that got derailed by someone else using it as the perfect cover, and that Bern's Tea Party was just orchestrated to be the most hurtful thing to Ange. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

2012-03-31, 04:52	Link #3704
GreyZone On vacation till 23rd May Join Date: Jan 2012	I think the only "PRIME scenes" are the ones with Ikuko's (almost-)revalation and the last scenes with ange in magic ending and ??? TP. I think even Tohya's first memories somehow are not right, as I think Ikuko only made him think that it happened like that. So to say, the only scenes we can accept as they are, only exist in EP8.

2012-04-03, 13:34	Link #3708
Witch of Uncertainty Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	I hear a lot of people talk about how Yasu yells at Genji, because he saved her and she is as good as furniture, etc. Having replayed through the game, I didn't read that anywhere? Do I remember wrong, or is it from another game? Did I just completely miss it?

2012-04-03, 13:59	Link #3709
Drifloon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	It's one of the scenes that flash by when Bern cuts Clair open with her scythe (which she totally stole from Erika by the way) at the end of the EP7 tea party.

2013-04-14, 12:14	Link #3711
Vandrao Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	Hey guys, could someone explain to me the transitions between episode 6 and episode 7? It was said a couple of times throughout episode 6 that that was going to be the "final" game. I guess it's the fantasy part of the story so I shouldn't get so caught up in it, but Battler was the game master in ep6 and he had won the game, so wouldn't he be the master in ep7 as well? I guess I should throw in here the transition from 7 to 8 where Battler suddenly becomes the game master as well.

2013-05-08, 19:54	Link #3714
charlieparrot Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	I've got a quick question if someone could help clear this up. I haven't read Ep7 in ages and haven't read Ep8 yet. Did Yasu make a fake murder mystery for Battler to figure out and did this turn into real murders like the Ep7 tea party? Did Yasu actually kill people as she suggested she would have in the tea party? Or is all of these speculations considered possible due to the Cat Box mystery?