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Old 2012-04-09, 14:55   Link #141
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JC Staff has no chance to come out of this without the fanrage - they could do a perfect adaptation and too many minds have already been made up. That ship has sailed.

That said, they can console themselves by rubbing the checks from the massive BD/DVD and merchandising sales together, so I suspect they're OK with that.
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Old 2012-04-09, 15:35   Link #142
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That said, they can console themselves by rubbing the checks from the massive BD/DVD and merchandising sales together, so I suspect they're OK with that.
They are on the production committee right?
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Old 2012-04-09, 17:05   Link #143
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JC Staff has no chance to come out of this without the fanrage - they could do a perfect adaptation and too many minds have already been made up. That ship has sailed.

That said, they can console themselves by rubbing the checks from the massive BD/DVD and merchandising sales together, so I suspect they're OK with that.
Hey at least they might actually make some money.....maybe. Gundam AGE wasn't quite so lucky, all it did was have a leaked magazine scan that people decided was kiddy and it was flat out boycotted before it even aired. I can only hope the next generation of fandoms in general won't be nearly as entitled and ragey as the current one cause good freaking god are they unreasonable to the point of insanity.

And yeah I know this is a video game example, but I think it's somewhat comparable to the situation here.
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Old 2012-04-09, 17:20   Link #144
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And yeah I know this is a video game example, but I think it's somewhat comparable to the situation here.
It's not unreasonable to expect good storytelling (the ending's failures have been discussed elsewhere). The main difference is that here we have the opposite situation: people raging before anything has even been released. Even AGE got promo material out before the hate began.
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Old 2012-04-09, 17:31   Link #145
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It's not unreasonable to expect good storytelling (the ending's failures have been discussed elsewhere). The main difference is that here we have the opposite situation: people raging before anything has even been released. Even AGE got promo material out before the hate began.
Actually no it didn't, it got a magazine scan leaked which started the rage since before the actual promotion cycle and unveiling could even get under way people looked at the designs and decided it was too kiddie for Gundam and the death of the franchise. This was the other way around, Little Busters was announcement, then the trailer came out as planned, then simply because the studio announcement wasn't the one people expected that's what caused the fiasco.

Basically Gundam AGE got shit on based on a picture with no context, while J.C Staff is getting shit on because they happen to be doing a Little Busters anime.

As for Mass Effect 3 it's simply how far fans are taking the issue now that's alarming to me. I could understand people being upset with the storytelling and being critical of the company for it, but making a legitimate crusade out of it to get the ending changed and then turning around and still complaining when Bioware actually listens and tries to find a professional solution just seems so petty and childish to me that I don't even know where to start.
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Old 2012-04-09, 17:54   Link #146
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I think it is more unreasonable to shit upon an anime original series as opposed to an adaptation. The former you just don't know enough of the series to make sweeping generalizations, and they went anyways.
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Old 2012-04-09, 18:15   Link #147
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Actually no it didn't, it got a magazine scan leaked which started the rage since before the actual promotion cycle and unveiling could even get under way people looked at the designs and decided it was too kiddie for Gundam and the death of the franchise. This was the other way around, Little Busters was announcement, then the trailer came out as planned, then simply because the studio announcement wasn't the one people expected that's what caused the fiasco.
Well a "leak" is basically part of promotion nowadays. I'm staring at the trailer but people seem to be saying it's not made by JC Staff, so now I don't even know what's up.
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Old 2012-04-09, 23:32   Link #148
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Well, we all know now that if the anime turns out well, it's because KEY's awesome. And it turns out awful, it's because J.C. is crap.
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Old 2012-04-09, 23:47   Link #149
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Well, we all know now that if the anime turns out well, it's because KEY's awesome. And it turns out awful, it's because J.C. is crap.
Either you're trolling or you haven't read the last few pages of the Little Busters anime thread.

The animation studio determines the quality of the animation. Unless the animation turns out god-awful, you can't blame J.C. Staff by itself.
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Old 2012-04-10, 00:32   Link #150
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Please stop comparing Gundam AGE to Little Busters, AGE was always going to sell shit*, it was aimed at kids in the first place, why do you think Level 5 were hired to make it? Inazuma Eleven and Cardboard Senki were both shows aimed at the younger generation and they had hit video game series attached to them as well. Sunrise wanted AGE to have the same sort of appeal... otoh Unicorn was for the hardcore Gundam fans. They never aimed @ the otaku audience, the biggest failure of Gundam AGE was not the terrible sales (which if you notice, is about normal for most kids series, you don't see Precure tearing up the charts!) but the fact that it performed dismally in the age brackets it was aiming at. It was meant to usher in a new age of young gundam fans, not appeal to the otaku fanbse putting Madoka and Bakemonogatari on a pedestal, or the fujoshi fanbase. 5-9 year old kids didn't see peoples opinions on 2ch and than went "Wow it must suck, I'm not watching this!" The character designs that "killed" the show were more in line with the the sort of stuff aimed @ that age group as opposed to typical otaku aimed designs.

* Here is the sales for Inazuma Eleven.

Inazuma Eleven ***428 (20+) (OLM)

Way worse than Gundam AGE right? Yet this is considered a success, think about it, what do these sorts of shows really push? What was Gundam AGE suppose to push? Sales are irrelevant, in AGE's case it's just the icing on the cake for the commercial failure it was. But keep blaming typical anime fandom if it makes you feel better about it.

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Well, we all know now that if the anime turns out well, it's because KEY's awesome. And it turns out awful, it's because J.C. is crap.
Spot on, if it turns out amazing it will be in spite of J.C Staff but if it turns out crap it will all be J.C Staffs fault, even if key figures @... Key... are in charge of most of the script and arc planning.
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Old 2012-04-10, 05:20   Link #151
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Hey at least AGE has pretty decent TV ratings.

Poor JC Staff though. Getting all the hate even before a real Little Busters PV comes out.
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Old 2012-04-10, 20:38   Link #152
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Considering that J.C. Staff is stellar when it comes to creating backgrounds, I wouldn't say that it is much a fault to the studio than to the one who will handle the project. Right now, we haven't heard of the staff members involved, so we can't say for now.

Kamisama no Memochou's adaptation is good for me, actually. Some people who criticize the changes do not know that the series might have been worse if it had followed the light novels to a tee, as its successive story arcs weren't as dramatic as the first.
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Old 2012-04-10, 20:58   Link #153
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Right now, we haven't heard of the staff members involved, so we can't say for now.
Some of the staff are already listed over at ANN's and MAL's entries for Little Busters!. At the very least, these two sites agree on who is the Director (Yoshiki Yamakawa), the Producer (Kouhei Kawase), the person in charge of Series Composition (Michiru Shimada), and the Character Designer (Haruko Iizuka).

As for who these people are, frankly, I have no idea. Anyone else recognize these names?
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If I remember correctly, a posted listed the director as the one who directed Kill Me Baby and something else I didn't recognize.
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Old 2012-04-11, 00:17   Link #155
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All four worked on 90s titles. See spoilers for complete list of works.

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Spoiler for Michiru SHIMADA:


Spoiler for Haruko IIZUKA:


Spoiler for Kohei KAWASE:
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When you list it out this way, apparently these people have quite a lot of experience despite not being too popular. They did a lot of my favorites too, so this certainly lift my expectations up a bit.
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J.C. Staff anime classified by production coordinator. Where applicable, additional staff with a Production Manager title are enclosed in parentheses.

This list covers productions from 2005 and later. Exclusions are as follows:

Some one-off OVAs/OADs
Oku-sama wa Mahou Shoujo
Starship Operators
All Milky Holmes sequels and spin-offs (handled by Artland and now Nomad)
Fuuun Ishin DaiShogun (handled by ACGT)

Shinichiro Kashiwada

Loveless
Karin
Zero no Tsukaima
Ghost Hunt
Sky Girls
Shigofumi
Nabari no Ou (Jiro Nakagawa)
Toaru Majutsu no Index
Hayate no Gotoku 2 (Jiro Nakagawa)
Toaru Kagaku no Railgun (Jiro Nakagawa)

Masahiro Tabeya

Honey & Clover
Shakugan no Shana
Honey & Clover II
Nodame Cantabile
Shakugan no Shana The Movie
Potemayo
Shakugan no Shana II
Slayers Revolution
Nodame Cantabile Paris (Atsushi Fujishiro)
Slayers Evolution-R
Shakugan no Shana S
Railgun OVA (Jiro Nakagawa)
Toaru Majutsu no Index II (Jiro Nakagawa)
Hidan no Aria

Akira Kato

Taishou Yakyuu Musume
Maid-sama
Milky Holmes

Masao Ohashi (current)

Mahoraba
Best Student Council
Yomegaeru Sora
Asatte no Houkou
Zero no Tsukaima II
Kimikiss (Akira Kato)
Zero no Tsukaima III (Akira Kato)
Toradora
Hatsukoi Limited (Atsushi Fujishiro)
Aoi Hana (Kaoru Suzuki)
Nodame Cantabile Finale (Atsushi Fujishiro)
Uraboku (Kaoru Suzuki)
Ookami-san (Kaoru Suzuki)
Zakuro
Twin Angel
Shakugan no Shana III (Emi Kashimura)
Arcana Famiglia (Emi Kashimura)
Little Busters (Emi Kashimura)
Toaru Majutsu no Index: End of Endymion (Yukiko Kato)
Little Busters Refrain/EX (Emi Kashimura)
Magimoji Rurumo (Ryouichi Mizuno, Masato Akiba)

Kaoru Suzuki (current)

Yumekui Merry
Kami-sama no Memochou
Toradora OVA
Zero no Tsukaima F
Kill Me Baby (Koji Okada)
Ano Natsu de Matteru
Joshiraku (Koji Okada)
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo (Koji Okada)
Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S (Koji Okada)
Witch Craft Works
Ano Natsu de Matteru OVA
Selector infected WIXOSS (Koji Okada)
Selector spread WIXOSS (Koji Okada)

Atsushi Fujishiro (current)

Bakuman
Kyou, Koi o Hajimemasu
Kimi to Boku (Naho Aoyama)
Bakuman 2
Kimi to Boku 2
Bakuman 3
Henneko
Golden Time (Ryou Watanabe)
Love Stage


General Timeline and Progression
  • A rotation of three production lines was established in 2005.
  • Each manager was promoted to the position of Animation Production Producer in 2007.
  • Contrary to expectations, the arrangement doesn’t seem to suggest the existence of an A-Team, B-Team, or C-Team. Each line worked on a variety of projects: low budget, big budget, major property, etc. Organization was pretty fluid with people shuffled around as required.
  • Tabeya moved off the rotation after Slayers but remained production producer on Shana S. Starting from Taishou Yakyuu Musume, a new group managed by Kato took over.
  • By 2010, J.C. Staff had expanded to five production lines. In addition to the Suzuki and Fujishiro teams, a new team under Ohashi and Aoyama was assembled for Zakuro
  • .......which was followed by a massive shakeup. Kashiwada left for Aniplex after Railgun. Meanwhile, Tabeya briefly returned to the front of production before jumping to Silver Link with half a dozen senior colleagues (most are now organized under Connect, which Tabeya manages; their staff includes Akira Kato and his team. On the other hand, Nakagawa and Shindo were integrated into the main Silver Link studio).
  • Staff on Ookami-san and Uraboku remained at the studio.
  • Interim structures were arranged for Hidan no Aria and Twin Angel.
  • Aoyama (now Vice-Production Manager under Fujishiro) left after the first half of Kimi to Boku.
  • Current staff configurations descend from Bakuman, Yumekui Merry, and Shana III. So far, team compositions appear more fixed than in the past.
  • Workload in late 2011/early 2012 was likely a reflection of capacity expectations from 2010. During this time, Fujishiro managed Kimi to Boku and Bakuman 2 simultaneously, while Suzuki handled Kill Me Baby, Zero no Tsukaima F, and Ano Natsu de Matteru.
  • 9/12 episodes of Zero no Tsukaima F were outsourced. Milky Holmes 2 was completely outsourced.
  • Following the Winter 2012 season, Suzuki was promoted to Animation Production Producer. Fujishiro’s promotion followed a year later.
  • Currently, Suzuki’s productions have in-house priority. All episodes of Yumekui Merry, Ano Natsu de Matteru, Joshiraku, Witch Craft Works, and Wixoss were internally produced, while only three episodes of Railgun S were outsourced.
  • The number of outsourced episodes for Little Busters and Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo was about the same (~6-7 episodes of each, which is fairly typical for a major two-cour production at J.C.).
  • Ultimately, the 2010-2011 split resulted in two power bases: J.C. Staff and Silver Link. Silver Link is no longer the startup that produced BakaTest but has become an extensive operation with multiple teams working around the clock. Similar strategies for production efficiency are employed, and the talent pool is divided between the two studios.
  • Studio Shamrock (a portion of J.C.’s digital division that broke off in light of the fact that former colleagues at Silver Link could contract them on a regular basis) has been hired for digitization duties on recent Silver Link shows, starting from Watamote.
  • Jiro Nakagawa is currently the leading production producer at Silver Link. Since joining the company, he has coordinated work on C3, Tasogare Otome x Amnesia, Kokoro Connect, Otoboku: Futari no Elder, Watamote, Non Non Biyori, Nourin, and Invasion of the Roukujouma.
  • Coincidentally or not, Nobuhiro Nakayama of Warner Bros. commissioned a showdown of sorts with Railgun S and Strike the Blood. For the latter, they hired Connect with Nakagawa (as opposed to Silver Link president Hayato Kaneko) serving as producer.
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That's a complete shock for me. I never thought that Silver Link was a merge between SHAFT and J.C. Staff. I guess that was the reason why Strike the Blood had the feel of Toaru Majutsu no Index when I watched that series. That post also reveals why J.C. Staff's productions are completely unpredictable quality-wise. While that can be a good thing, it also contributes to the worries people have when J.C. picks up a rather strong source material for their next anime project.
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Old 2014-11-23, 12:49   Link #159
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Actually, that doesn't surprise me at all.
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