High School DxD Light Novel - Archived Discussion

[iK@r0s]

well maybe it called "true Queen" in vol 10..... because in past volume ise promotes to queen and go BB but can not unleash both full power so her promotion back then is inc.

well thats true that traiana will be gone if ise attain something new while there is no pawns inside him......but if you think about it if ise become a king in RG he cannot use triana and CCQ so its good if he learn something new w/o the pawns

[Soji]

iK@r0s @ That's true .And about the queen/true queen seem to be the case. I mean Ddraig do say *promote a queen * and no true queen.
But he can use them in normal battle or if some one allows him like Rias cousin. Plus I get the feeling no matter what happen the CCQ will be always his power even if change a little. (like you say).

Edit:Just to people know .There is a update on the author blog.If google traslatore(that you guys know how that thing work) is right or if I understand right what the traslatore traslate there is chance in the future for a SS about Vali.(White dragon emperon).

[dxd22]

dragon magazine on july ? ...not sure ..and there's also about ophis hahaha reading it make my ears bleed.. we better ask the pro about it ...

[Soji]

dxd22@ Yeah in the last part he say something about what you say + ophis name.But because I was not sure (at least not like I was with vali) I avoid to mention that. Wonder if mean that the ss in that DM will be about Ophis?

[lilNewBlood]

I have a feeling that Ise could use Triania without the pieces. I mean what beelzebub (He stated in Vol 8 that he merely provide a starting point for Ise and the rest was up to Ise) did was to provide a "key" which unlocks the potential. The potential has always been inside of Boosted Gear according to Elsha except it is too dangerous to go into it. Since Ise has already unlocked his potential from a "box", would you still need that "key"? I am not sure lol.

According to Vol 9, the Triania forms were based on Ise's imaginations...So even he lost his pieces, he still hasnt lost the image of each form in his memory.

It seems that Beelzebub only fixed the bug in the pawns caused by Juggernaunt and allows him to use promotion anytime without the need of Rias. That was the only thing he did...As according to him in Vol 8, that he may not allow Ise to use it during the Rating Games because it is a form of cheating which later changed his mind.

All these were based on my interpretations and the author may say it otherwise.

[Myh]

i honestly like the theory of ise having surpassed his kings power "rias" therefore the pieces got kicked out so he could "evolve", i mean.. i know the new form he got is called "cardinal crimson queen" but in my opinion anyway the mere mention of the "queen" part makes him look like a vice king so to speak, in other words inferior to rias which he is not.
Then again cardinal crimson king woulndt make much sense either... maybe when he gets the CCQ complete form the name is changed to something else all together and stays independent of his evil pieces? (something he can use without the need of evil pieces or even being devil) that would make it "legal" in rating games because it woulndt be an ilegal promotion just a power up that has nothing to do with evil pieces

[sunsown]

In Volume 6, just before Ise attains Balance Breaker, Taninim was fighting Bikou and Ise remarked that its impressive that Bikou could stand his ground against the dragon as Taninim is ranked among the top 10.

So does that mean that Bikou is powerful enough to stand his ground against maou?
Can Ise stand his ground against Bikou even in his CCQ mode?
Where does the CCQ mode power level stand when compared against maou?

[zzhk]

I'm not sure if Tanninim was going all out at the time, but yes, it is impressive of Bikou no matter what. I do think Bikou might have inherited a natural immunity to fires from the original monkey king who was locked in a cauldron and distilled by sacred flames in the original "Journey to the West."

Considering Vali should be the strongest member of his own team, and that full CCQ should equal full Juggernaut in power, Ise's CCQ should exceed Bikou in power.

In terms of power, CCQ = Juggernaut = full power of the Heavenly Dragons unleashed, so its raw power should exceed the Maou, since the original dragons were on the level of the Bible God. Of course, raw power is one thing, but whether Ise can win a real battle against these experienced masters is another question.

[rvlast]

SS of Vali's group? NICE!

SS of getting Gogmagog while rescuing Asia would be nice and also a POV for why Vali rescued her. It can't just be "eh, I was just passing through".

[iheartz]

Originally Posted by zzhk

Considering Vali should be the strongest member of his own team, and that full CCQ should equal full Juggernaut in power, Ise's CCQ should exceed Bikou in power.

I may be wrong, but didn't Vali state that he was working towards a power greater than Juggernaut? Which would imply that Vali>Ise as well as Vali>Bikou (so who knows how strong they are compared to each other?). Also, Ise is still unsused to his CCQ powers isn't he? Or is he able to bring them out to their true potential now?

[dragonroots]

Originally Posted by iheartz

I may be wrong, but didn't Vali state that he was working towards a power greater than Juggernaut? Which would imply that Vali>Ise as well as Vali>Bikou (so who knows how strong they are compared to each other?). Also, Ise is still unsused to his CCQ powers isn't he? Or is he able to bring them out to their true potential now?

Working on it implies it's incomplete, I think at this point in terms of what Ise and Vali can do with their SG is the same (Ise can enter CCQ but it's incomplete, Vali can enter a form like CCQ but same as Ise it's incomplete), at this point i think that the only reason Vali surpasses Ise is because his base stats are higher than Ise's and he has more experience fighting. However i believe that at this point while Vali does want to fight Ise i don't think it's gonna be like past rivalries, to me Vali doesn't show any real bloodlust, just a desire to fight, and why would you kill a strong opponent if your desire is to fight stronger opponents, let your opponent live after defeating him so they can get stronger and come back, this is what my analysis of Vali and Ise's rivalry is like, they fight till one or the other can't fight anymore and when that happens they call it off and fight again at a later date when both of them are stronger.

[Clue]

Originally Posted by Myh

i honestly like the theory of ise having surpassed his kings power "rias" therefore the pieces got kicked out so he could "evolve", i mean.. i know the new form he got is called "cardinal crimson queen" but in my opinion anyway the mere mention of the "queen" part makes him look like a vice king so to speak, in other words inferior to rias which he is not.
Then again cardinal crimson king woulndt make much sense either... maybe when he gets the CCQ complete form the name is changed to something else all together and stays independent of his evil pieces? (something he can use without the need of evil pieces or even being devil) that would make it "legal" in rating games because it woulndt be an ilegal promotion just a power up that has nothing to do with evil pieces

not likely...
Chess-wise the king has an approximate strength of 4 pawns compared
to the queen being 9. the king is supposed to be protected so his stats are
just above average...
ise is already way stronger than rias notice in volume 10 she couldn't do
anything to help ise...
if ise's 8pawns promote to queens he would be worth 72 pawns.
ise is supposed to be way stronger than rias

[yuiichi9]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

@Zzhk and N0m@an: thanks for Vol 10 updates, glad to see even Isse can be kick out from his bed and room in the night and have to look for the couch or other bedroom, when fight with Rias , is a brief mention and hope to see more, thanks.

I don't remember issei being kick out of the bed. Can someone tell me if this really happen. The one that can defeat cao cao is gasper. Seriously if they fight one on one, gasper just have to stop time take a knife and cut his head.

[zzhk]

As for Ise sleeping alone, it's just 2 sentences in the original.

That night (after the sauna scene), when Ise returned to his room he found a "No entry for Ise" sign stuck on his door and he was unable to get in until the morning. Ise's impression is it seems like Rias slept with Asia last night, and he had to find an empty room by himself to spend the lonely night.

[Clue]

Originally Posted by iheartz

I may be wrong, but didn't Vali state that he was working towards a power greater than Juggernaut? Which would imply that Vali>Ise as well as Vali>Bikou (so who knows how strong they are compared to each other?). Also, Ise is still unsused to his CCQ powers isn't he? Or is he able to bring them out to their true potential now?

Well we know that in order to achieve his dream of defeating Great Red he will need a power that is superior to that of jd...

[iheartz]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

By he way, I think every time Isse is almost fade away trogh is dead moments (are varios on whole story line), and Isse could start dont like to because he still virgun, didint take Rias virginity, Asias, Akenos, too, too many dreams to be accomplish, too many dreams to protect... Oppai Dragon!!

Hm....just though of something. Great Red is said to have been born out of the illusion of dreams right? So, Ise could possibly be partially be "reborn" by the dreams of the children (maybe with help from Ophis' power too?). That would make him like a cross between the Dream and the Infinite, possessing the powers of both the Red and White.

[Myh]

clue@ i meant the CCQ becoming something else that doesn't involve the pawn promotion.. something that ise acquired as his own, which would mean he could use it in rating games since its a power of his own, CCQ is supposed to be another form of JD, one without the negative parts it makes sense he could perfect it to use it without the need for evil pieces ( i don't mean he cant be a devil and a pawn..just not needing to be one to use CCQ)...
That might be a solution for him to use it without being banned in rating games though :P

Then again that would mean the CCQ was just a transition phase, an incomplete one that the evil pieces aided in achieving and now that he got that far the evil pieces got kicked out

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by Soji

iK@r0s @The problem would make zero sense for Ise to lost the CCQ.Is not even complete and is the opposite of JD.
I know that ...I just answer what they meant with CCK.

Edit: because we are on the topic. We know the Triana the 3 form and how they are call. But something I wonder(i know they have explain this...still) Why they call the CCQ the True Queen? is just for the boost that can gain or there is more .

The Queen promotion and True Queen diffrences is the first one is only promotion with more power, second and still not fully develop, is full sincronization of all pieces, so he can use any skill without harming, less stamina, more quick, not life spam risks, other advantages. You can see the power diffrences in the battle against Sairaorg Queen, Isses full release Triana (one step down of CCQ) can kill in one hit most of the ultimate class devils, not top class like Sairaorg or Belial, thats the reason the other devils in the promotion to middle class test say Isse is ready on top tier of top class devil.

Originally Posted by Myh

clue@ i meant the CCQ becoming something else that doesn't involve the pawn promotion.. something that ise acquired as his own, which would mean he could use it in rating games since its a power of his own, CCQ is supposed to be another form of JD, one without the negative parts it makes sense he could perfect it to use it without the need for evil pieces ( i don't mean he cant be a devil and a pawn..just not needing to be one to use CCQ)...
That might be a solution for him to use it without being banned in rating games though :P

Then again that would mean the CCQ was just a transition phase, an incomplete one that the evil pieces aided in achieving and now that he got that far the evil pieces got kicked out

In the end of Vol 9, Agares / Sairaorg conversation about the evolutions Isse have:
""Sairaorg, are you listening?"
"What's the matter, Seekvaira Agares?"
"Rumors say the Red Dragon Emperor under Rias Gremory has awakened a new power."
"Isn't that great. Yes, finally awakened. I look forward to it."
"But then, they say that this ability is powerful enough to make the Rating Game unfair."
"No problem. I allow it."
"It is also said that Ajuka Beelzebub-sama favors him."
"Doesn't matter."
"Your opponent will also become the future brother-in-law of Sirzechs Lucifer?"
"That's perfect."
"He is on the level of the Hero faction leader -- he fought the holy spear and lived."
"Of course. It wouldn't do to break the agreement we had. Wouldn't you agree, Hyodo Issei!"

I hope you guys can have clear RG Top Offcials allowed Isse and new young devils skills are legal on RG Games in order to get more attention from the fans, the only the could have problems is with possibility of CCK (i am not insisting on the issue, just like to be clear), because RG Games sistem cannot have 2 boss on the same side, by the waay could be troublesome, because is you are a underling: Which boss you follow??, on this, you can see Isse start to take decisions with Rias and she allows, is diffrent form Kiba suggestions on Vol 10 battle against Sairaorg, Isse give commands on RG and battlefield, Rias seems to take easy or just improve Isses decisions.
On Vol 11, Akeno state to Isse, Rias is feel like a burden to him and she try to make improvements to be on line with the rest of the Gremory Team, something Isse feel bad, because everyone is try to push harder in their trainings.

[aigomorla]

because they all feel so worthless compared to ise.

It just took 1 hit from sairiog to realize how far behind ise they are.

Kiba comments after the first hit, how ise could just shrug off these hits and continue.
Ross almost got KO'd on a the first hit...
Zenovia for the first time was actually shitting in her panties.

When you realize there is one person that far ahead of you, all you want to do is catch up so you dont become a liability.
And when Rias almost got owned, to the point where the team would of lost, she realized, she really was holding Ise back.

Ise is an abnormality.
If we reread the first vol. and read vol.10 the growth in ise is insane.
He went from not being able to use transportation magic, to a level where he can beat the strongest youth, and have enough power to attain high class all in the short time of 6months.
And not just himself, but also bring his team mates to high class level.

However thats just one of his powers.
His other power, the natural playboy he is, allows him to form peace with any fraction who doesnt attack him directly.
He is the pillar that is holding the Fallen + Angels + Devils together in peace.
Without Ise, there wouldnt of been peace.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by aigomorla

because they all feel so worthless compared to ise.

It just took 1 hit from sairiog to realize how far behind ise they are.

Kiba comments after the first hit, how ise could just shrug off these hits and continue.
Ross almost got KO'd on a the first hit...
Zenovia for the first time was actually shitting in her panties.

When you realize there is one person that far ahead of you, all you want to do is catch up so you dont become a liability.
And when Rias almost got owned, to the point where the team would of lost, she realized, she really was holding Ise back.

Ise is an abnormality.
If we reread the first vol. and read vol.10 the growth in ise is insane.
He went from not being able to use transportation magic, to a level where he can beat the strongest youth, and have enough power to attain high class all in the short time of 6months.
And not just himself, but also bring his team mates to high class level.

However thats just one of his powers.
His other power, the natural playboy he is, allows him to form peace with any fraction who doesnt attack him directly.
He is the pillar that is holding the Fallen + Angels + Devils together in peace.
Without Ise, there wouldnt of been peace.

Fully agree with you!!!, Isse and Saji conversation, Saji said: "You guys, you know you are monsters?" (about Kiba and Isse), even Ravel made the statement, that the actual Gremory team can clean even with his brother, Ravel attends the practices of Isse/Kiba and Gyasuke, and even more, she give the idea of new technique can allow Isse transfer power to his team mates using the guns of BB, by the way, on Vol 12 is really good chance to see Asia and others get her BB, due their believe of Isses death, so can release full all their offensive powers.

In terms of LN time line, all this people have to be in shock how powerfull Gremory Team become in so short time, even devils can take 100 years to get high class status and power, I think maybe is the Reason Shakra made the warning to Azazel, and the real reason Michael send Irina and keep undersight Gremory group and specially Isse, to me, not will be weird Shakra and others trying to have like "ambassadors" or Sempais to Isse and the group, because is the perfect way to keep on eye, with this I think Son Goku can use this to get close to Isse and training him, but we need to wait the author path of the LN.