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Old 2012-04-14, 11:22   Link #3881
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Let me play devils advocate:

Why is Romney's wealth an issue ?
Because he makes it an issue. He doesn't have to tell us how rich and how much tax he pays, but he is trying a little too hard to hide it.

A tax extension, for example, is ridiculous. It is simply impossible that he needed such a thing for any reason other than political motivation. And if he delays his tax return for political purposes, then his taxes become an issue.

Romney is better off being who he really is. GOP is fine with a rich man running for president, it's just that he is so clumsy in trying to hide what's in plain sight.
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Old 2012-04-14, 12:36   Link #3882
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Because he makes it an issue. He doesn't have to tell us how rich and how much tax he pays, but he is trying a little too hard to hide it.

A tax extension, for example, is ridiculous. It is simply impossible that he needed such a thing for any reason other than political motivation. And if he delays his tax return for political purposes, then his taxes become an issue.

Romney is better off being who he really is. GOP is fine with a rich man running for president, it's just that he is so clumsy in trying to hide what's in plain sight.
Watch his wife's recent antics and pronouncements, watch Romney --- these are people who have NO NOTION AT ALL what the middle class is experiencing (much less the poor). Some rich people remember being poor, others are pretty good at empathizing even if they were born rich. Unfortunately, our leading 3 offerings from the GOP - Romney (and Santorum and Gingrich) live in bubbles of isolation where they are either clueless (Romney) or don't care (Gingrich).

To an America where most families HAVE to have 2-4 jobs just to drown slowly because wages have deflated over the last 30 years and the job pool is far smaller than the applicants, Mrs. Romney ends up sounding like Marie Antoinette (who wasn't being evil about the cake, just innocently clueless).
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The natural results of the .01% skipping out on the bill which the 99.9% get stuck with (banksters and robber barons screw up, then expect everyone else to pay)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

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Old 2012-04-14, 12:46   Link #3883
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That or he spent too much on the campaign and needs an extention to see if his money will continue to be tired out, or whatever following election day.
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Old 2012-04-14, 12:48   Link #3884
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Watch his wife's recent antics and pronouncements, watch Romney --- these are people who have NO NOTION AT ALL what the middle class is experiencing (much less the poor). Some rich people remember being poor, others are pretty good at empathizing even if they were born rich. Unfortunately, our leading 3 offerings from the GOP - Romney (and Santorum and Gingrich) live in bubbles of isolation where they are either clueless (Romney) or don't care (Gingrich).

To an America where most families HAVE to have 2-4 jobs just to drown slowly because wages have deflated over the last 30 years and the job pool is far smaller than the applicants, Mrs. Romney ends up sounding like Marie Antoinette (who wasn't being evil about the cake, just innocently clueless).
And who very probably didn't say it at all.
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Old 2012-04-14, 12:52   Link #3885
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And who very probably didn't say it at all.
Quite true.... she was actually somewhat generous in charity when her attention was drawn that way. But her overall lifestyle was "young, rich, in a bubble" in a time when the non-royals were spending as much as 50% of their incomes just to get bread to eat.

A literal translation (actually said a century earlier by a real loser of a royal woman, wife of Louis the 14th) makes more sense because it was brioche, not cake:
"Let them eat rich, expensive, funny-shaped, yellow, eggy buns." when the people couldn't even afford those...
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Old 2012-04-14, 14:05   Link #3886
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Wooing conservatives, Romney defends gun rights at NRA
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83C1B320120413
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Rival Republican candidate Newt Gingrich, who is trailing Romney badly in the polls, also addressed the convention.

"I believe the NRA has been too timid," Gingrich said. He said as president he would submit to the United Nations a treaty extending the right to bear arms to everyone on the planet.

"The Second Amendment is an amendment for all mankind," he said.
Could someone make him take a drug test', to protect the right to own a gun is one thing, but this ''proposition'' is insane.
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Old 2012-04-14, 14:35   Link #3887
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Wooing conservatives, Romney defends gun rights at NRA
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83C1B320120413

Could someone make him take a drug test', to protect the right to own a gun is one thing, but this ''proposition'' is insane.
If it forces the police force to train and become more competent, I wouldn't mind that. Paradoxically, if the policemen on this planet are made up of competent individuals instead of just 18-year-olds serving out their two-year national service and can't give a fig about their duties, arming the citizens would be a much better option.

I still can't comprehend why patrol officers are armed with .38 when a off-shelf nailgun has a much longer range, penetration power and overall accuracy, and the local police force stands by its issue of that firearm. As much as I understand that a 9mm might overpenetrate due to its higher velocity, I would rather take my chances against a criminal around so many bystanders with a good ol' P226 than an M85.
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Old 2012-04-14, 15:50   Link #3888
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Rival Republican candidate Newt Gingrich, who is trailing Romney badly in the polls, also addressed the convention.

"I believe the NRA has been too timid," Gingrich said. He said as president he would submit to the United Nations a treaty extending the right to bear arms to everyone on the planet.

"The Second Amendment is an amendment for all mankind," he said.
This is kind of not compatible with being in a war.
Those enemy "terrorists" have a right to own weapons. So one could legally sell arms to the Taliban now?
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Old 2012-04-14, 18:17   Link #3889
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It’s true that Mr. Romney’s opponents are all white as well. But each is tainted in his own way. Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich appear soft on Hispanic immigration, and Mr. Gingrich is hardly the standard-bearer for the invincible nuclear family.

Rick Santorum is an Italian-American Catholic, while Jon Huntsman, though a Mormon himself, wears his cosmopolitanism too brazenly. (Does he really think it’s an asset, in the eyes of a Republican primary voter, to speak Mandarin?) And Ron Paul’s isolationist conspiracy-mongering recalls, if anything, the radical-right fringe of the ’50s and ’60s, of the John Birchers and the followers of George Wallace, a manic moment even most evangelicals would rather forget.

Contrast that with Mr. Romney’s meticulously cultivated whiteness. He is nearly always in immaculate white shirt sleeves. He is implacably polite, tossing off phrases like “oh gosh” with Stepford bonhomie. He has mastered Benjamin Franklin’s honesty as the “best policy”: a practiced insincerity, an instant sunniness that, though evidently inauthentic, provides a bland bass note that keeps everyone calm. This is the bygone world of Babbitt, of small-town Rotarians.

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Old 2012-04-15, 15:21   Link #3890
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This is kind of not compatible with being in a war.
Those enemy "terrorists" have a right to own weapons. So one could legally sell arms to the Taliban now?
I believe that the US already did that during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
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Old 2012-04-15, 16:47   Link #3891
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I believe that the US already did that during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
And look how well that turned out.
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Old 2012-04-15, 18:29   Link #3892
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Old 2012-04-15, 18:29   Link #3893
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Obama: Romney claim about women job loss is "bogus"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83C1K920120413
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Old 2012-04-15, 19:29   Link #3894
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Obama: Romney claim about women job loss is "bogus"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83C1K920120413
Well.. yeah. You have to pretend NOTHING HAPPENED before Obama got in office before any of the nonsense being spewed by the GOP/Romney makes sense.

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Old 2012-04-16, 02:33   Link #3895
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So, like, be a Really Young Earth Creationist?
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Old 2012-04-16, 03:43   Link #3896
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So, like, be a Really Young Earth Creationist?
Come to think of it, if Creationism takes hold in the US, they will be starting WWIII based on the Revelations and the depiction of the dragon.

And they will be making the excuse that the dragon is China, plus their sharp-talking president is Jesus with a sword for the tongue.

OTOH :

"Pink Slime" controversy stokes clash over agriculture

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It is fueled, in part, by politicians eager to court influential backers during an election year. Farm groups, too, want to be heard as Congress picks up its review of the federal farm bill.
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Critics are equally determined. Tens of thousands of dollars have been plowed into lobbying efforts this legislative year by activists on proposed laws regulating the raising of hogs in six states. Activists are pushing for legislation that would bar farmers from housing pregnant sows in certain types of crates.
Fights are not without mercenaries :

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The fight has gotten so intense that Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman recently told a crowd of cattlemen that he had a message for the Humane Society: "We're going to kick your ass and send you out of the state."
At least extremists on the other side are balancing the fight :

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The Humane Society is snapping up shares of agriculture and food companies to press them to change corporate purchasing practices.
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The Humane Society is neither small nor poor. The group's total assets - including cash, investments, property and other items - were $231.3 million in 2010, according to the group's consolidated financial statements posted on its website.
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Old 2012-04-16, 06:43   Link #3897
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Obama calls Romney's immigration stance "troublesome"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83D09E20120415
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Old 2012-04-16, 08:26   Link #3898
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Oh, this'll certainly help in the fall elections ..... the Bubble of Delusion grows stronger:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/us...er=rss&emc=rss

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As Congress was set to reconvene on Monday, House Republicans said Mr. Romney could go his own way on smaller issues that may help define him as separate from his Congressional Republican counterparts. But, they said, he must understand that they are driving the policy agenda for the party now.
“We’re not a cheerleading squad,” said Representative Jeff Landry, an outspoken freshman from Louisiana. “We’re the conductor. We’re supposed to drive the train.”
With Representative Paul D. Ryan’s budget plan, Republicans have already set the agenda on the key issue that divides the two parties in an age of austerity: how to manage the federal budget and its related entitlement programs. Mr. Romney has eagerly embraced it, campaigning with Mr. Ryan by his side and calling him “bold and brilliant.”
But a disagreement between the parties over spending levels has paved a path for the sort of clash that led to the near shutdown of the government last year, and it could leave Mr. Romney in the position of having to choose between a loud public battle and a budget compromise with Democrats in the closing weeks of the fall campaign.
Mr. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, and House Republicans diverge on some legislative issues — notably what to do about Chinese currency manipulation, an issue that has become a centerpiece of the Romney campaign. And that could further highlight the differences within the Republican Party.
In 1999, as House Republicans grappled with far more modest spending cuts, George W. Bush, Jr. was able to underscore his claim to “compassionate conservatism” by denouncing House efforts. “I don’t think they ought to balance their budget on the backs of the poor,” he said
That last quote may come back and haunt them over the summer...

And I'm getting pretty tired of *Earned Benefit* programs being mislabeled "entitlement" programs (usually said with an air of disdain by the ones wanting to cut them).
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Old 2012-04-16, 10:31   Link #3899
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And I'm getting pretty tired of *Earned Benefit* programs being mislabeled "entitlement" programs (usually said with an air of disdain by the ones wanting to cut them).
I am not familiar with this... what is it and why is it an issue ?
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Old 2012-04-16, 10:44   Link #3900
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Romney offers policy details at closed-door fundraiser
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...undraiser?lite
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