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Old 2012-04-15, 21:28   Link #261
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Well, she does seem to not care about Rea, would rather pay attention to her phone. Perhaps she's only there for the money the father has.

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Old 2012-04-15, 23:38   Link #262
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If there's anything infuriating about Sankarea, it would be the viewers/fans. One moment they go "Oh hey, the father's totally an arse taking naked pictures of his daughter" and then they go ask for full-length pictures of it. What this anime, and most definitely the manga is doing is combining both child abuse and sexualization at the same time. Then what's the point in tackling child abuse in the first place if you're just gonna make the viewers imagine Naked Sanka Rea? I'd say its the fault of the material and the stupidity of people.

Otherwise though, Sankarea is good. As in REALLY GOOD. Maybe its the SHAFT influence or the fact that DEEN made sure this looks amazing. The directing is impeccable and they handle the manga (which has a lot of faults) with lots of care.
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Old 2012-04-16, 06:18   Link #263
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If there's anything infuriating about Sankarea, it would be the viewers/fans. One moment they go "Oh hey, the father's totally an arse taking naked pictures of his daughter" and then they go ask for full-length pictures of it. What this anime, and most definitely the manga is doing is combining both child abuse and sexualization at the same time. Then what's the point in tackling child abuse in the first place if you're just gonna make the viewers imagine Naked Sanka Rea? I'd say its the fault of the material and the stupidity of people.

Otherwise though, Sankarea is good. As in REALLY GOOD. Maybe its the SHAFT influence or the fact that DEEN made sure this looks amazing. The directing is impeccable and they handle the manga (which has a lot of faults) with lots of care.
I didn't read the whole thread but you got a point.

Anyway , currently i like this show. What a cliffhanger..
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:19   Link #264
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What cliffhanger, the promo posters and next ep. preview pretty much summed up what will happen I wish they started from episode 4 and cover the first 3 in a 30 second flashback

Anyway, Babu making it back, and Wanko-service were the best parts of the episode... the whole Rea story stinks of overblown drama for hysteria over victimless crimes

Also did DEEN outsource the animation to SHAFT or SilverLink

Scratch that... I guess the reason is Sakai Kyuuta chief animation director and character designer for this, steins;gate, higurashi, ichigo mashimaro, and a hentai or the two art directors who have worked with SHAFT before

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Old 2012-04-16, 07:39   Link #265
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If they had outsourced it to Shaft, you think the animation would have been this good?
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:43   Link #266
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Just saw the first two Eps....... and dropped
Don't cops exists in these anime damn peadophiles
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:47   Link #267
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Just saw the first two Eps....... and dropped
Don't cops exists in these anime damn peadophiles
Her father is a rich man just by looking at the first two episodes. He can easily bribe officers if he has to.
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:53   Link #268
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If they had outsourced it to Shaft, you think the animation would have been this good?
No, but the art would

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Just saw the first two Eps....... and dropped
Don't cops exists in these anime damn peadophiles
In a fictional work about zombies, isn't it somewhat pointless to ask that

And in any case, it's not like IRL the cops, reporters or the masses touch perverts like her father, they tend to funnel their rage into other groups that are easier to target

Anway, what I hope we will get into after all the melo-drama...

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Old 2012-04-16, 07:59   Link #269
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NIn a fictional work about zombies, isn't it somewhat pointless to ask that

And in any case, it's not like IRL the cops, reporters or the masses touch perverts like her father, they tend to funnel their rage into other groups that are easier to target
Who will call the cops on him in any case? Only Rea knows what is happening and she is too scared/submissive to go against her father.
Aria doesn't care and the maids don't talk because they don't want to lose their job.
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Old 2012-04-16, 08:00   Link #270
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Just saw the first two Eps....... and dropped
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What a judgment , ah well just drop it ^^
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Old 2012-04-16, 08:02   Link #271
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If there's anything infuriating about Sankarea, it would be the viewers/fans. One moment they go "Oh hey, the father's totally an arse taking naked pictures of his daughter" and then they go ask for full-length pictures of it. What this anime, and most definitely the manga is doing is combining both child abuse and sexualization at the same time. Then what's the point in tackling child abuse in the first place if you're just gonna make the viewers imagine Naked Sanka Rea? I'd say its the fault of the material and the stupidity of people.
I find a more "you should feel guilty for liking this" feel. And this isn't a series about child abuse and sexualization... it's about zombies, lol.

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Otherwise though, Sankarea is good. As in REALLY GOOD. Maybe its the SHAFT influence or the fact that DEEN made sure this looks amazing. The directing is impeccable and they handle the manga (which has a lot of faults) with lots of care.
Seems like DEEN is hiring better directors and upping the animation budget of late. Smart move.

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Her father is a rich man just by looking at the first two episodes. He can easily bribe officers if he has to.
Plus someone would have to press charges and so far, no one has or will.
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Old 2012-04-16, 10:13   Link #272
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I find a more "you should feel guilty for liking this" feel. And this isn't a series about child abuse and sexualization... it's about zombies, lol.
That's what makes it extra terrible! From what I've watched, the content has no cynicism. Everything is played straight. Yet people become hypocrites and go sexualize characters you're supposed to feel sympathy for because well "herp.derp.SHE'S HOT".

As you said Sankarea is supposed to be about zombies and it probably will be, but what the anime is presenting so far is much more broader than that. I know it isn't about child abuse and sexualization but those two things are inserted into Rea character development and saying its not an integral part of the series would mean Rea isn't important.
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Old 2012-04-16, 13:04   Link #273
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If there's anything infuriating about Sankarea, it would be the viewers/fans. One moment they go "Oh hey, the father's totally an arse taking naked pictures of his daughter" and then they go ask for full-length pictures of it. What this anime, and most definitely the manga is doing is combining both child abuse and sexualization at the same time. Then what's the point in tackling child abuse in the first place if you're just gonna make the viewers imagine Naked Sanka Rea? I'd say its the fault of the material and the stupidity of people.
There's something going on here, and I think it's complicated. But I'm not convinced that the in-show angle (that is: the father's character angle) is one of sexualisation. When I heard about the nude pics in episode one, I did not imagine the kind of picture I've seen in episode two. They were, if anything, downplaying the sexual aspect - going for aesthetics. It sort of changed my point of view from straightforward sexually driven child abuse to something more like excessive pride in... his "creation". Like a confluence of making a child and making art. And confusing love with pride in the beauty you feel responsible for creating. And utter jealousy, not wanting to share.

But at the same time, the show's marketing can easily exploit the more hormone driven male response. The question is how this interferes with the actual show. I'm thinking most people can separate the response to story and the extra-story fanservice content. I personally think the in-story fanservicy elements are actually respectfully done, and serve character. (I'm very easy to put off even by panty shots, but I'm not feeling put off here, at all.) And I think that's what's happening with the hypocritical-seeming response. It's the industry-driven sexualisation while scanning magazines etc. vs. the in-story response while watching the show. I think that both can co-exist, without actually being hypocritical, because the fictional status of the character is much more prominent in the first instance. We wouldn't be hearing nude-shot requests if this were a news story (well, there are always certain kind of people, but that's not what I'm talking about).
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Old 2012-04-16, 13:39   Link #274
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There's something going on here, and I think it's complicated. But I'm not convinced that the in-show angle (that is: the father's character angle) is one of sexualisation. When I heard about the nude pics in episode one, I did not imagine the kind of picture I've seen in episode two. They were, if anything, downplaying the sexual aspect - going for aesthetics. It sort of changed my point of view from straightforward sexually driven child abuse to something more like excessive pride in... his "creation". Like a confluence of making a child and making art. And confusing love with pride in the beauty you feel responsible for creating. And utter jealousy, not wanting to share.
Well said. I got the same feeling watching it. What he's doing is obviously wrong and horribly abusive, but it didn't come across to me as being strictly sexual in nature. It's over-protection taken to an extreme degree, and as you point out, he seems to feel a perverse sense of pride in his "accomplishment." (Which is of course ironic, seeing as how his fatherly hand has likely contributed nothing but harm to her development as a person.) I don't think they were being tasteless with the pictures, they evoked a sense of beauty, not sexuality. At least that's how it came across to me. There are plenty of anime out there that sexualize children to an unhealthy degree, this didn't strike me as one of them. That isn't to say people can't take the concept and run with it, as I'm sure some will, but the show itself doesn't feel unwholesome to me.

Just an aside, I'm really liking Ranko. Great personality, beautiful and with perfect curves. My kind of woman.
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Old 2012-04-16, 15:39   Link #275
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Second episode........



Some of the new scenes involving Rea's past are anime original, but damn if they didn't make a certain somebody more vile than they already were. While waiting for episode 3 to get to the actual premise is kinda odd, it's not like this episode wasn't good, and in fact makes presents Rea's situation much better than in the manga imho.
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Old 2012-04-16, 15:58   Link #276
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That's what makes it extra terrible! From what I've watched, the content has no cynicism. Everything is played straight. Yet people become hypocrites and go sexualize characters you're supposed to feel sympathy for because well "herp.derp.SHE'S HOT".

As you said Sankarea is supposed to be about zombies and it probably will be, but what the anime is presenting so far is much more broader than that. I know it isn't about child abuse and sexualization but those two things are inserted into Rea character development and saying its not an integral part of the series would mean Rea isn't important.
So Rea should be ugly? I'm a bit confused as to what you're getting at. If you're pointing out that people can be sexually attracted to people who have serious problems....well, yeah. Humans are weird like that. It doesn't mean people aren't or can't be sympathetic at the same time, but there is also the element of fiction at play here that lets people rationalize more than they might if it were real life people in these situations (hopefully minus the zombies).

Rea's father isn't sexually abusing her, but he is abusing her in the sense of holding her up on an unrealistic pedestal. He's a parent who loves his child so much that it is incomprehensible for her to be a failure, and this is reflected in himself as well. He's rich, famous, in shape, married to a beautiful woman, etc. He wants all of that and more for her, and in a sense supplants the life she wants to have with the life he thinks is best for her. That's why she feels so stifled to begin with, resorting to screaming into a well at night to vent her feelings. Who would believe a girl like her could have problems? Many of us have a hard time sympathizing with someone of her social status because that status blinds us to the person living it. Rich people are notorious for being unhappy.
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Old 2012-04-16, 16:52   Link #277
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That father is too creepy.
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Old 2012-04-16, 17:05   Link #278
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So Rea should be ugly? I'm a bit confused as to what you're getting at. If you're pointing out that people can be sexually attracted to people who have serious problems....well, yeah. Humans are weird like that. It doesn't mean people aren't or can't be sympathetic at the same time, but there is also the element of fiction at play here that lets people rationalize more than they might if it were real life people in these situations (hopefully minus the zombies).
I think the problem is that they're imagining those fans going up to Rea's father, cursing him out for taking nude pictures of Rea, and then asking for some.


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Rea's father isn't sexually abusing her, but he is abusing her in the sense of holding her up on an unrealistic pedestal. He's a parent who loves his child so much that it is incomprehensible for her to be a failure, and this is reflected in himself as well. He's rich, famous, in shape, married to a beautiful woman, etc. He wants all of that and more for her, and in a sense supplants the life she wants to have with the life he thinks is best for her.
For her, or from her? He doesn't seem to see her as anything but a part of his perfect life. He doesn't want her to be rich and powerful. He just wants her to be his.
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I think the problem is that they're imagining those fans going up to Rea's father, cursing him out for taking nude pictures of Rea, and then asking for some.
I'd set out a chair and make some popcorn to watch that.

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For her, or from her? He doesn't seem to see her as anything but a part of his perfect life. He doesn't want her to be rich and powerful. He just wants her to be his.
It's definitely possessive, no argument there. I didn't mean he wanted to make her rich and powerful, technically she already is, being the daughter of a successful family. What I meant was that he has built up this perfect image of who she should be in his mind, and that includes planning her entire life without considering her feelings. It's sort of a "father knows best" taken to a very unhealthy extreme. It's a bit like the parents who live vicariously through their children, in principle, since the parents regard their children's desires to be their own person as unimportant compared to their own desires. I think all parents do this to some degree, but there are some who can't accept that their child is growing out of the life created for them into a life of their own making.
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Old 2012-04-16, 20:25   Link #280
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It's definitely possessive, no argument there. I didn't mean he wanted to make her rich and powerful, technically she already is, being the daughter of a successful family. What I meant was that he has built up this perfect image of who she should be in his mind, and that includes planning her entire life without considering her feelings. It's sort of a "father knows best" taken to a very unhealthy extreme. It's a bit like the parents who live vicariously through their children, in principle, since the parents regard their children's desires to be their own person as unimportant compared to their own desires. I think all parents do this to some degree, but there are some who can't accept that their child is growing out of the life created for them into a life of their own making.
That might make sense if he were actually giving her anything, rather than just taking stuff away. All he's granting her is "her father's love"; he's not even considering that she (or he, vicariously) might want anything else. He's not making any decisions for her, he's just locking her in a cage.
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