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Old 2012-04-17, 11:22   Link #41
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As someone who routinely watched 16:9 content on a 4:3 monitor, I never found the black bars an issue. I would think that adding a 60 pixel bar on top and bottom of a 1080 pixel image would be pretty insignificant.

I rarely read scanalations, but when I do I prefer rotating my 4:3 monitor 90 degrees and using my desktop software to rotate the displayed image to match.
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Old 2012-04-17, 11:25   Link #42
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For comic scans, a pivot function is perfect.
You can tilt the screen 90° and watch them fullscreen in their original format.
It's also good for writing/coding and ebooks.

Some monitors have an autodetect function for pivot, so you can tilt the screen and the desktop resolution will change automaticly.
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Old 2012-04-17, 17:34   Link #43
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Some monitors have an autodetect function for pivot, so you can tilt the screen and the desktop resolution will change automaticly.
it's pretty awesome as you say for coding, typing documents, and reading manga.

also if you're still gunning for a 16:10 monitor, PS3 and blu-ray players will be stretched to fit the 16:10 aspect ratio but PCs and the xbox360 won't have this issue.
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Old 2012-04-17, 18:42   Link #44
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So I don't really get it, does that mean the U2410 can do 16:9 mode whitout black bars even though it's a 16:10?
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Old 2012-04-17, 18:55   Link #45
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To fit an image with one aspect ratio into a screen with another, you can:
-fit the image and put black bars where there is no image
-fill the screen with the image and have parts of the image be chopped off
-stretch the image to make it fit

The best way for watching anime is to have black bars. Stretching results in a weird and stretched looking image and filling means the entire image isn't displayed.
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Old 2012-04-17, 19:25   Link #46
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I would think that adding a 60 pixel bar on top and bottom of a 1080 pixel image would be pretty insignificant.
Is this how it looks:



That's pretty significant if it is.

This is a 1920x1200 24" screen playing a 16:9 movie I guess and the black bars are pretty big.
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Old 2012-04-17, 19:35   Link #47
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That is more than the difference between 16:9 and 16:10. About 1/3 of the total height are black.
16:9 would be 1920x1080? That's just an extra 120 pixels which would be black, not 400 like in this picture.
I'd say this movie has bars on 16:9 too.

I have looked at my version of this movie and it is in a 1280x532 format.
That's not a 16:9 movie. My black bars are even bigger than those in the picture though. From the screenshot, I'd say mine is missing some lines.

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Old 2012-04-17, 19:37   Link #48
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That is more than the difference between 16:9 and 16:10. About 1/3 of the total height are black.
I'd say this movie has bars on 16:10 too.
The movie is Resident Evil: Afterlife, screenshot is taken from the CNETs LP2480zx video review.
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Old 2012-04-17, 19:52   Link #49
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A 23 inch diagonal screen at 16:9 aspect ratio is 20.1x11.3in. Not including black bars, a 24 inch diagonal screen at 16:10 ratio displaying 16:9 content is 20.4x11.5in and is roughly equivalent to a 23.4 inch screen with a ratio of 16:9. So the image even with the black bars on the 24 inch screen will be bigger than the image without black bars on the 23 inch screen.

btw, RE Afterlife is 2.40:1 ratio. Not 16:9. It'll have bars on a 16:9 screen as well.
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Old 2012-04-17, 19:53   Link #50
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most of hollywood's movies in 720p/1080p are like that when watching on a 1920x1200 screen.

this is what anime should will always look like on a 1920x1200 screen

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Old 2012-04-18, 02:00   Link #51
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As someone who routinely watched 16:9 content on a 4:3 monitor, I never found the black bars an issue. I would think that adding a 60 pixel bar on top and bottom of a 1080 pixel image would be pretty insignificant.
Some LCD screens do have bad backlight bleeding so it could be be bothersome for some people, if they have black bars around the picture.
Think some of the issues of LCD screens are blown out of proportion. The tech has it limitation and I doubt it will get any better. If you are looking for a perfect screen LCD is probably not what you want.

Most films have a different aspect ratio for widescreen pictures, funnily enough I don't think any of them uses the 16:9 format.
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Old 2012-04-18, 22:49   Link #52
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So here is a list of monitors that are fit to display animus's awesomeness in their full glory.

HP DreamColor LP2480zx (H-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 24ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/mē, 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

LG Flatron W2420R (S-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 25ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/mē, 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

Eizo ColorEdge CG243W (H-IPS, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 16ms input lag average, 850:1, 270 cd/mē, 1920x1200, 60Hz, CCFL Backlight)

NEC MultiSync LCD2490WUXi (H-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 8-bit 16.77M, 16ms typ, 800:1, 400 cd/mē max, 1920x1200, 60Hz, CCFL Backlight)

Listed from most expensive to least expensive.

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Old 2012-04-19, 03:36   Link #53
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Sure, go right ahead and buy a multi-kilobuck professional grade monitor just to watch anime. At least your idiocy will help the economy.
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Old 2012-04-19, 03:44   Link #54
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Sony PVM 2541. See this thing in action and you won't be able to stare at a lcd screen without crying.
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Old 2012-04-19, 04:30   Link #55
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Sony PVM 2541. See this thing in action and you won't be able to stare at a lcd screen without crying.
Yeah I am already familiar with the OLEDs of Sony, as a matter of fact sonycenter.lu was the first place that I looked at when I started looking for a monitor.

Well at those price, the only OLED I can buy is the 7.4" model. But if I save a little bit more, I might be able to get the PVM-1741...


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Sure, go right ahead and buy a multi-kilobuck professional grade monitor just to watch anime. At least your idiocy will help the economy.
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Old 2012-04-19, 04:36   Link #56
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Sony PVM 2541. See this thing in action and you won't be able to stare at a lcd screen without crying.
My phone uses a SAMOLED screen and it's sure pretty, but it's extremely color-inaccurate. It's too oversaturated. Not at all suited for professional use, but it's nice for watching anime in bed.
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Old 2012-04-19, 06:59   Link #57
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What is your graphics card? Make sure it supports 30 bit color, or else you won't be able to take advantage of your new absurdly expensive display's capabilities.
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Old 2012-04-19, 11:08   Link #58
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My phone uses a SAMOLED screen and it's sure pretty, but it's extremely color-inaccurate. It's too oversaturated. Not at all suited for professional use, but it's nice for watching anime in bed.
Those small screen oled don't really do the tech any justice. Except for saving energy they are a bit gimmicky for that kind of job.

Sony and panny will be pushing oled in the next couple of years onto the mass market, that raises the question if getting a high end LCD will be any benefit at all. I personally would suggest getting a mid rage lcd, like the dell, and save to rest until oled hits the mass market. At least then, if you plan on to sell the screen, you won't make a massive lost, which will happpen with the pro graded LCDs.
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Old 2012-04-19, 11:43   Link #59
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Those small screen oled don't really do the tech any justice. Except for saving energy they are a bit gimmicky for that kind of job.

Sony and panny will be pushing oled in the next couple of years onto the mass market, that raises the question if getting a high end LCD will be any benefit at all. I personally would suggest getting a mid rage lcd, like the dell, and save to rest until oled hits the mass market. At least then, if you plan on to sell the screen, you won't make a massive lost, which will happpen with the pro graded LCDs.
That's a little bit like computers, you wait for the next best thing and when the next best thing gets released, the next-next best thing has been announced for release in the meantime, so you end up waiting for the next-next best thing instead and this can go on forever.
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Old 2012-04-19, 12:18   Link #60
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Kind of. But the issue with LCDs are that the pro graded screen are high optimised for one primary function, for colour reproduction, moving images, response time or low input lag. So if you want an around LCD those pro screens are that great.

If you can afford it I would go for one of those pro screens used in studio, broadcasting and film shooting, some of those JVC, flanders and panny(plasmas) could fit your requirement better than those NEC, Eizo or HP you have listed.
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