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Old 2012-04-25, 23:30   Link #961
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Actually Rinslet could probably down Claire as well due elemental compatibilities. In this universe, water Pokemon, I mean spirits, are strong vs fire type. Rather tan the other way around.

Overall, the team is actually garbage.

Ellis can only fight straight up. She is too honest and falls for feints and sneaky tactics like some naive child.

Fianna has 0 combat ability and can only deploy her knight as a shield against AOE attacks.

Claire is all talk and no do. A huge liability that digs herself into a hole with her tactics that almost never work. Then she gets Kamito all injured when she requires saving.

Rinslet has no role. Long range attacks that keep missing plus the freezing effect that everyone at the level of the blade dance is immune to.

Kamito is THE TEAM. He is both attacker and defender. And usually resolves any battle through overwhelming sword skills. He can't do anything fancy yet. So far he just powers up Est and stabs people in the chest.

The girls' function in battle is to distract and take long enough to lose so Kamito can stab the enemies individually.
So basically every fight..............................

Claire: So here's the plan! Blah, Blah, Blah.

Kamito: That's such a dumb plan.............................................. ...

The plan failed

Claire: How could my plan fail.

Kamito: I have a better plan! How bout you girls serve as a distraction while I go around stabbing people in the chest.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:31   Link #962
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Actually Rinslet could probably down Claire as well due elemental compatibilities. In this universe, water Pokemon, I mean spirits, are strong vs fire type. Rather tan the other way around.

Overall, the team is actually garbage.

Ellis can only fight straight up. She is too honest and falls for feints and sneaky tactics like some naive child.

Fianna has 0 combat ability and can only deploy her knight as a shield against AOE attacks.

Claire is all talk and no do. A huge liability that digs herself into a hole with her tactics that almost never work. Then she gets Kamito all injured when she requires saving.

Rinslet has no role. Long range attacks that keep missing plus the freezing effect that everyone at the level of the blade dance is immune to.

Kamito is THE TEAM. He is both attacker and defender. And usually resolves any battle through overwhelming sword skills. He can't do anything fancy yet. So far he just powers up Est and stabs people in the chest.

The girls' function in battle is to distract and take long enough to lose so Kamito can stab the enemies individually.
That seems accurate. Yeah the girls arent doing much or anything at all lol. I wonder how they can beat the remaining teams with their current team strength. So far the girls cant beat a strong person in 1vs all, so if there is a time 1 vs 1 happens it will be over for them.

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Wow...and the "team" hasn't looked back at the past rounds to see how they can be beaten
How many teams are left going to the next round?
By the next round there will have to be 4 teams left I think.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:32   Link #963
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Actually Rinslet could probably down Claire as well due elemental compatibilities. In this universe, water Pokemon, I mean spirits, are strong vs fire type. Rather tan the other way around.

Overall, the team is actually garbage.

Ellis can only fight straight up. She is too honest and falls for feints and sneaky tactics like some naive child.

Fianna has 0 combat ability and can only deploy her knight as a shield against AOE attacks.

Claire is all talk and no do. A huge liability that digs herself into a hole with her tactics that almost never work. Then she gets Kamito all injured when she requires saving.

Rinslet has no role. Long range attacks that keep missing plus the freezing effect that everyone at the level of the blade dance is immune to.

Kamito is THE TEAM. He is both attacker and defender. And usually resolves any battle through overwhelming sword skills. He can't do anything fancy yet. So far he just powers up Est and stabs people in the chest.

The girls' function in battle is to distract and take long enough to lose so Kamito can stab the enemies individually.
Sadly, you're correct. That's what I also thought when I first saw the team. It has massive potential if everything gels together. Ellis as the tank, Fianna as support, Rinslet as the sniper, Claire as back up, and Kamito as the ace. However...., right now it's mostly a dysfunctional team with Kamito cleaning up the mess.

Let's put it another way. The principal said that if Kamito could tap into his original power 3 years ago or "awaken" (something Kamito hasn't done yet..., I think. Though that missing memory is suspicious), he could solo through everyone alone with the exception of the current Ren Ashbell. Right now a heavily nerfed Kamito with nerfed sword spirit (1/10th of her power) is carrying the team...
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:33   Link #964
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...and still soloing through, by the looks of it
So if all of them lose in 1v1 but kamito doesnt, are they out?
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:39   Link #965
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strategy without raw power is pretty much useless...
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:41   Link #966
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strategy without raw power is pretty much useless...
yeah, especially when the opposition is so much more powerful that everything just bounces off. I don't remember the specific events of every volume, but that's what it felt like at the climax of every volume.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:41   Link #967
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strategy without raw power is pretty much useless...
From the looks of it Claire appears to not even have strategy.

The author isn't doing much to make Claire look good is he?
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:43   Link #968
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From the looks of it Claire appears to not even have strategy.

The author isn't doing much to make Claire look good is he?
And she has that Zero no Tsukaima Louise pride and possessiveness. No, she is certainly not looking good. The good thing is that Claire receives less attention after volume 1.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:44   Link #969
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well she only "looks" good...
Kamito is pretty much the team itself and everyone is more of a baggage
if only they could improve a bit and be better at team plays
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That's the problem with a OP lead. Everyone else looks useless.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:46   Link #971
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And she has that Zero no Tsukaima Louise pride and possessiveness. No, she is certainly not looking good. The good thing is that Claire receives less attention after volume 1.
Glad to hear that.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:46   Link #972
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You can see what the yandere meant when she attacked them
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:51   Link #973
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That's the problem with a OP lead. Everyone else looks useless.
It's not that the lead makes the others look useless. It's because everyone else IS useless. A big problem is that most of them are high class ladies that haven't had much true combat experience. When you're facing enemies from the convent who have tons of actual combat experience, only someone who has as much or more experience (i.e. Kamito) can handle the job. Kamito is already heavily nerfed in skill, body, and sword spirit yet he is STILL overshadowing the rest of the team. *facepalm*

If he had his original powers, he could blow everyone out of the waters. Now that would be a true OP lead.
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Old 2012-04-25, 23:53   Link #974
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It's not that the lead makes the others look useless. It's because everyone else IS useless. A big problem is that most of them are high class ladies that haven't had much true combat experience. When you're facing enemies from the convent who have tons of actual combat experience, only someone who has as much or more experience (i.e. Kamito) can handle the job. Kamito is already heavily nerfed in skill, body, and sword spirit yet he is STILL overshadowing the rest of the team. *facepalm*

If he had his original powers, he could blow everyone out of the waters. Now that would be a true OP lead.
He would be Kaze no Stigma lead's OPness if he his orginal powers.

Although this sounds sorta annoying if Kamito is the only person that's useful.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:02   Link #975
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In truth, the girls aren't bad, but against the caliber of opponents (actual killers with combat experience) they're facing..., they're useless.

The real problem is the chemistry among them. The likes of Ellis, Claire, and Rinslet are all powerful among the other contenders. Sure there is the occasionally super powered Dragon girl here and there, but for the most part, Ellis, Claire, and Rislet aren't bad. However, this novel is not exactly focusing on "regular" opponents is it?
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:07   Link #976
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hey! not everyone is useless!!
Est is pretty useful ya know?
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:09   Link #977
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That's why Est x Kamito is the most supported here...............................among other reasons.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:09   Link #978
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hey! not everyone is useless!!
Est is pretty useful ya know?
Except... she's not part of the team. She's more like the personal weapon for Kamito. And even she is heavily nerfed.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:10   Link #979
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The actions of the girls seriously contradict what the author describes them to be, especially Claire. Even though she's hard to handle by most accounts, prone to be involved in arguments, the author actually described her as a "great diplomat" and chose her to accompany Kamito to negotiated with Mira's team in volume six.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:12   Link #980
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HEY!! she's not Kamito's personal weapon!!
she's Kamito's personal wife/mistress/loli wife/deadpan wife/new wife/play thing!!
her sex appeal is not nerfed in any way!!
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look what you made me say
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