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Old 2012-04-26, 00:14   Link #981
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The action of the girls in this series contradict what the author describest them to be, especially Claire. Even though she's hard to handle by most accounts, prone to be involved in arguments, the author actually described her as a "great diplomat" and chose her to accompany Kamito to negotiated with Mira's team.
Hidan no Aria and Familar of Zero had similar problems with their female lead. That's why I never take a light novels description of a tsundere female lead seriously. The author is usually biased and described them as better then they should be to make them look good.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:18   Link #982
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Hidan no Aria and Familar of Zero had similar problems with their female lead. That's why I never take a light novels description of a tsundere female lead seriously. The author is usually biased and described them as better then they should be to make them look good.
If there's any great diplomat, it's either Fianna or Kamito himself. Afterall, Fianna is a gigantic manipulator, and Kamito is just amazing, being able to put up with the ojou-samas.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:20   Link #983
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Outside of Est who is just so sweet and cute, my favorite is probably Fianna because her personality and boldness outshines everyone else. She is the most creative and is able to think of all sorts of things to appeal to Kamito's other side. Ellis is next because she is one of the few tsundere who I like because of how cute she gets when she wants Kamito to do something with her (i.e. pointing a sword at Kamito). Rinslet isn't bad, but she's not as developed in this series.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:25   Link #984
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Hidan no Aria and Familar of Zero had similar problems with their female lead. That's why I never take a light novels description of a tsundere female lead seriously. The author is usually biased and described them as better then they should be to make them look good.
Don't they usually just emphasise on describe their cuteness and this mysterious, wonderful aroma they carry?
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:30   Link #985
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A little about Claire strategy

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This is A little strategy of Claire and the one that finished the mess is Kamito
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:32   Link #986
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Don't they usually just emphasise on describe their cuteness and this mysterious, wonderful aroma they carry?
I remember several times that the female leads are described as extremely intelligent when in reality a lot of their actions are questionable at best and to dumb to live at worst. I could likely look back and find more descriptions that don't match how they really are but intelligence was the biggest one.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:36   Link #987
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I remember several times that the female leads are described as extremely intelligent when in reality a lot of their actions are questionable at best and to dumb to live at worst. I could likely look back and find more descriptions that don't match how they really are but intelligence was the biggest one.
Actually, Aria was described as relying more on her intuition than actual intelligence. This is the reason why she was estranged from the rest of her family, because the other Holmes rely upon their legendary deduction skills.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:36   Link #988
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I remember several times that the female leads are described as extremely intelligent when in reality a lot of their actions are questionable at best and to dumb to live at worst. I could likely look back and find more descriptions that don't match how they really are but intelligence was the biggest one.
I think of it as book smart vs. street smart. The girls are all high class ladies who have been shielded from the harsh realities of life and taught by their families to follow the proper etiquette. By comparison, Kamito is someone who has gutted it out with others with his life at stake during his younger years and then explored the world with Restia.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:38   Link #989
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I think of it as book smart vs. street smart. The girls are all high class ladies who have been shielded from the harsh realities of life and taught by their families to follow the proper etiquette. By comparison, Kamito is someone who has gutted it out with others with his life at stake during his younger years and then explored the world with Restia.
I was refering more to Hidan no Aria and FoZ's descriptions of the girls.

@darthfanta Aria's intelligence was still commented to be high.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:42   Link #990
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The actions of the girls seriously contradict what the author describes them to be, especially Claire. Even though she's hard to handle by most accounts, prone to be involved in arguments, the author actually described her as a "great diplomat" and chose her to accompany Kamito to negotiated with Mira's team in volume six.
You misunderstanding. He didn't say she was a good diplomat. He said she was a better diplomat than the others.

By any measure Fianna is the best, but she could not go with Kamito to meet Mira because she had to construct the stronghold. On top of that, with her 0 combat ability she would be a sitting duck the whole way to and back.


The reasoning was as follows:
Ellis is incapable of negotiation. She and her 100% honesty and chivalry make her unsuited for negotiating.

Rinslet with her air of pride and attitude with all those Desu no! And Desu wa! is more than likely to offend and break off negotiations before they get started.

Fianna can't go.

Claire is the best choice out of this otherwise pitiful group. She is usually fairly level headed and smart. And she is the team captain after all.


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I remember several times that the female leads are described as extremely intelligent when in reality a lot of their actions are questionable at best and to dumb to live at worst. I could likely look back and find more descriptions that don't match how they really are but intelligence was the biggest one.
Intelligence and wisdom are different things. The girls are highly intelligent and skillful fighters among their peers. Unfortunately, the are quite naive. They simply don't have all the facts to apply their intelligence too.

Sadly, because they don't have all the facts straight they end up making dumb decisions. Though naiveity does not imply stupidity.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:47   Link #991
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You misunderstanding. He didn't say she was a good diplomat. He said she was a better diplomat than the others.

By any measure Fianna is the best, but she could not go with Kamito to meet Mira because she had to construct the stronghold. On top of that, with her 0 combat ability she would be a sitting duck the whole way to and back.


The reasoning was as follows:
Ellis is incapable of negotiation. She and her 100% honesty and chivalry make her unsuited for negotiating.

Rinslet with her air of pride and attitude with all those Desu no! And Desu wa! is more than likely to offend and break off negotiations before they get started.

Fianna can't go.

Claire is the best choice out of this otherwise pitiful group. She is usually fairly level headed and smart. And she is the team captain after all.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah aha......................... Claire level headed. Seriously? Kamito should've just went by himself if that was the case.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:55   Link #992
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Actually she is, when it's serious and doesn't concern Kamito. Kamito could have just as well gone by himself, but traveling as a pair into a dangerous forest is more logical.

Nobody said she was good though, she is just better than the others who are terrible.

In the end, Kamito ends up striking the deal himself anyway.
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Old 2012-04-26, 00:58   Link #993
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Intelligence and wisdom are different things. The girls are highly intelligent and skillful fighters among their peers. Unfortunately, the are quite naive. They simply don't have all the facts to apply their intelligence too.

Sadly, because they don't have all the facts straight they end up making dumb decisions. Though naiveity does not imply stupidity.
And this all leads back to the inexperience of the high class ojou samas vs Kamito who has traveled all over the world.
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Old 2012-04-26, 01:03   Link #994
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You misunderstanding. He didn't say she was a good diplomat. He said she was a better diplomat than the others.


He did say she was a good diplomat. He explained that Claire excels at negotiating and socialising with others due to her experience at coping with bullying and prejudice due to her sister's crime.
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He did say she was a good diplomat. He explained that Claire excels at negotiating and socialising with others due to her experience at coping with bullying and prejudice due to her sister's crime.
Wait..........how does that make sense? So getting bullied improves social skills. Nice to know. Next time I'll try getting bullied to see if my social skills increase.
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Im going to reread that. That really looks like something was lost in translation between Japanese and Chinese.
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Old 2012-04-26, 01:13   Link #997
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Wait..........how does that make sense? So getting bullied improves social skills. Nice to know. Next time I'll try getting bullied to see if my social skills increase.
No idea, I'll translate the passage of his description of her.

虽然面对神人时总是一副盛气凌人的态度,不过要是有那个想法的话,表现得像一个名门大小姐也是可以的。头脑 运转的速度很快,大概是因为身为<灾祸的精灵姬>的妹妹而受到迫害的缘故吧,也有圆滑的一面,无疑很适合担 任交涉人选。

"She's always haughty in face of Kamito, but if she wants to, she could also behave as a well mannered ojou-sama. Her brain processes quickly, and possibly because of the consequeces of her sister's actions, she is also a good diplomat--no doubt an excellent choice to negotiate with the other team."
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No idea, I'll translate the passage of his description of her.

虽然面对神人时总是一副盛气凌人的态度,不过要是有那个想法的话,表现得像一个名门大小姐也是可以的。头脑 运转的速度很快,大概是因为身为<灾祸的精灵姬>的妹妹而受到迫害的缘故吧,也有圆滑的一面,无疑很适合担 任交涉人选。

"She's always haughty in face of Kamito, but if she wants to, she could also behave as a well mannered ojou-sama. Her brain processes quickly, and possibly because of the consequeces of her sister's actions, she is also a good diplomat--no doubt an excellent choice to negotiate with the other team."
There are so many ways I could snark at this passage I don't know where to start.....................
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There are so many ways I could snark at this passage I don't know where to start.....................
I think it's possible that because she suffered prejudice and bullying, she would have to behave diplomatically to survive in a hostile environment. But, as we know, she's prone to anger when other students mocked her. She almost caused team scarlet to be penalised because she attempted to attack students who provoked her after her team won a match against theirs.
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