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Qilin · 2012-05-05, 12:02

I've recently encountered something strange.

Now, I've been playing a few games with some AI opponents on my iPhone lately, and in one of my games, the dealer player completed its hand on the very first turn. Surprised, I examined the winning hand, but I didn't recognize the yaku. After a bit of research, I identified it to be something called a "shiisanbudoo" or "thirteen unrelated tiles" hand.

Now for my question:

Based on several sources, that particular hand was listed as a yakuman. However, the hand only counted as a mangan according to the score counting in the game. Is that the convention in usual games?

Kyuu · 2012-05-05, 15:31

That is one of those "optional" yakuman. Yet, if that app. counts it as a mangan... then a mangan it is.

Proto · 2012-05-05, 16:29

DAI SAN GEN

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2...0120505172.png

I hadn't got a Yakuman in a while so I'm a little too excited.

Kyuu · 2012-05-05, 16:51

Dropping the hatsu... oh what a fool!

Then again, I can't talk crap 'cause I've done the same thing using live tiles...

RegalStar · 2012-05-06, 10:51

Kyuu · 2012-05-06, 11:57

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Originally Posted by RegalStar

I dish upon you my utter hate and jealousy!

OK. That's pretty damned sweet.

Proto · 2012-05-06, 17:51

And you got it ln like the 7th go around, when people (going by your discards) should have started suspecting you were going for a terminals hand normally they wouldn't fathom you were on Yakuman tenpai.

RegalStar · 2012-05-06, 20:51

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012050623g...6a4b652ef&tw=2

I did discard a 9s though, so I really don't think my hand could be read that easily this early on, and the person who discarded the 9m was probably frustrated that after scoring two consecutive kans he drew a useless tile...

Kyuu · 2012-05-06, 21:42

Man. With a start hand like that, I woulda shot for the Junchan, by which you were easily set up for. Naturally, that changed when the 9-pin came in.

And lol. That last 9-wan came out of the dead wall.

RegalStar · 2012-05-06, 22:02

That's what I was going for too, hence why I discarded 9s instead of 78p. And yeah, it all changed when I drew the extra 9p.

Qilin · 2012-05-11, 10:56

My happiest day in Tenhou so far (3rd day playing).

Spoiler for tenhou:

It felt so awesome that I just have to share it.

Kyuu · 2012-05-11, 11:13

Well, that person asked to die.

Granted, I've done something like that with live tiles - but - I knew the consequences. But I dared it, when I dropped a haku tile in a similar situation.

Qilin · 2012-05-11, 11:39

Granted, a Shousangen, Yakuhai x 2, Toitoi, Honitsu hand would have been perfectly fine too, but the guy had to discard the haku when I already 2 open pons on the chun and hatsu. I was almost afraid I wasn't going to make it since the two players beside me declared riichi.

Well, anyway, I pray that I never fall victim to a direct hit yakuman.

Kyuu · 2012-05-11, 13:01

Nice having a game archive: that way, I can go back to it whenever:

Quote:

[2012/03/22/般南喰赤]

A:吉祥桜(+53.0)
B:ぽてとさん(-17.0)
C:*きくち*(+20.0)
D:KyuuAA(-56.0)

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012032214g...-cc8c2c61&tw=3

Death by yakuman.

My fate was sealed after I called the riichi, but the signs of yakuman wasn't apparent until the white dragons were called. Then my eyes bulged.

By then, it was too late.

Let's just say: this shoulda been one of those. One top of that, it was a single wait on a tanyao.

Then again, I've dished a direct hit dealer double yakuman once.

With that in mind, I managed to laugh this case of getting hit off fairly well.

RegalStar · 2012-05-11, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

[2012/03/22/般南喰赤]

A:吉祥桜(+53.0)
B:ぽてとさん(-17.0)
C:*きくち*(+20.0)
D:KyuuAA(-56.0)

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012032214g...-cc8c2c61&tw=3

Death by yakuman.

My fate was sealed after I called the riichi, but the signs of yakuman wasn't apparent until the white dragons were called. Then my eyes bulged. By then, it was too late.

Felt like Touka when she drew that North Wind against Kaori?

Kyuu · 2012-05-11, 15:52

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Originally Posted by RegalStar

Felt like Touka when she drew that North Wind against Kaori?

Well... my first thought involved the "rage comic".

Oh man. I can recall my thought process that day. XD

Kyuu · 2012-05-14, 17:29

Here I am, with my convention shirt and sexy clipboard keeping score of the Finals Table:

http://reachmahjong.com/en/2012/05/a...lts/#more-3733

RegalStar · 2012-05-18, 23:48

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012051913g...57afe3a0f&tw=3

The last hand of this game kind of got me thinking - is there something I could've done to try to deal into the right hand side without risking dealing into the dealer instead? The only way I saw (and can see right now) is to play a tile the left hand player played before the right hand player declared Riichi, but I didn't have any of those tiles. Or maybe I should've played more aggressively and not bailed? Thought it's hard to justify that when I was still sanshanten when the Riichi happened. Hmm...

Kyuu · 2012-05-19, 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by RegalStar

Or maybe I should've played more aggressively and not bailed? Thought it's hard to justify that when I was still sanshanten when the Riichi happened. Hmm...

Yea. And, if it weren't for those 2 Riichi sticks in the middle... that Ron of his would have been inadequate.

Standard thinking with being in the lead in the last hand. You certainly went into full defense mode, as many players would and should do. Sadly. Playing into the right-player would have won the game for you. Man, that sucks.

So. The discard reading question here is: How can you tell the value of one hand vs another - just by reading the discards?

RegalStar · 2012-05-19, 09:13

I didn't make any assumptions about hand value. When I thought about dealing into the right hand player purposely, I was working with the assumption that I wouldn't have went to 2nd place even if I deal into a haneman of the right hand player, but if I deal into the left hand player he gets to renchan, even if it's a small hand (I was expecting a half flush honestly, but I played it safe anyways).

2012-05-05, 12:02	Link #1321
Qilin Relativist Join Date: Aug 2009	I've recently encountered something strange. Now, I've been playing a few games with some AI opponents on my iPhone lately, and in one of my games, the dealer player completed its hand on the very first turn. Surprised, I examined the winning hand, but I didn't recognize the yaku. After a bit of research, I identified it to be something called a "shiisanbudoo" or "thirteen unrelated tiles" hand. Now for my question: Based on several sources, that particular hand was listed as a yakuman. However, the hand only counted as a mangan according to the score counting in the game. Is that the convention in usual games? __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-05-05, 15:31	Link #1322
Kyuu =^^= Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude) Age: 34	That is one of those "optional" yakuman. Yet, if that app. counts it as a mangan... then a mangan it is. __________________ Japanese Mahjong Group \| Currently Watching List \| Click on this - I dare you.

2012-05-05, 16:29	Link #1323
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: U. of Pittsburgh, Previously in Mexico City. Age: 28	DAI SAN GEN http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2...0120505172.png I hadn't got a Yakuman in a while so I'm a little too excited. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2012-05-05, 16:51	Link #1324
Kyuu =^^= Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude) Age: 34	Dropping the hatsu... oh what a fool! Then again, I can't talk crap 'cause I've done the same thing using live tiles... __________________ Japanese Mahjong Group \| Currently Watching List \| Click on this - I dare you.

2012-05-06, 17:51	Link #1327
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: U. of Pittsburgh, Previously in Mexico City. Age: 28	And you got it ln like the 7th go around, when people (going by your discards) should have started suspecting you were going for a terminals hand normally they wouldn't fathom you were on Yakuman tenpai. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2012-05-06, 10:51	Link #1325
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010

2012-05-06, 20:51	Link #1328
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010	http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012050623g...6a4b652ef&tw=2 I did discard a 9s though, so I really don't think my hand could be read that easily this early on, and the person who discarded the 9m was probably frustrated that after scoring two consecutive kans he drew a useless tile...

2012-05-06, 21:42	Link #1329
Kyuu =^^= Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude) Age: 34	Man. With a start hand like that, I woulda shot for the Junchan, by which you were easily set up for. Naturally, that changed when the 9-pin came in. And lol. That last 9-wan came out of the dead wall. __________________ Japanese Mahjong Group \| Currently Watching List \| Click on this - I dare you.

2012-05-06, 22:02	Link #1330
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010	That's what I was going for too, hence why I discarded 9s instead of 78p. And yeah, it all changed when I drew the extra 9p.

2012-05-11, 10:56	Link #1331
Qilin Relativist Join Date: Aug 2009	My happiest day in Tenhou so far (3rd day playing). Spoiler for tenhou: My dream yakuman. It felt so awesome that I just have to share it. __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-05-11, 11:13	Link #1332
Kyuu =^^= Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude) Age: 34	Well, that person asked to die. Granted, I've done something like that with live tiles - but - I knew the consequences. But I dared it, when I dropped a haku tile in a similar situation. __________________ Japanese Mahjong Group \| Currently Watching List \| Click on this - I dare you.

2012-05-11, 11:39	Link #1333
Qilin Relativist Join Date: Aug 2009	Granted, a Shousangen, Yakuhai x 2, Toitoi, Honitsu hand would have been perfectly fine too, but the guy had to discard the haku when I already 2 open pons on the chun and hatsu. I was almost afraid I wasn't going to make it since the two players beside me declared riichi. Well, anyway, I pray that I never fall victim to a direct hit yakuman. __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-05-14, 17:29	Link #1337
Kyuu =^^= Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude) Age: 34	Here I am, with my convention shirt and sexy clipboard keeping score of the Finals Table: http://reachmahjong.com/en/2012/05/a...lts/#more-3733 __________________ Japanese Mahjong Group \| Currently Watching List \| Click on this - I dare you.

2012-05-18, 23:48	Link #1338
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010	http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012051913g...57afe3a0f&tw=3 The last hand of this game kind of got me thinking - is there something I could've done to try to deal into the right hand side without risking dealing into the dealer instead? The only way I saw (and can see right now) is to play a tile the left hand player played before the right hand player declared Riichi, but I didn't have any of those tiles. Or maybe I should've played more aggressively and not bailed? Thought it's hard to justify that when I was still sanshanten when the Riichi happened. Hmm...

2012-05-19, 09:13	Link #1340
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010	I didn't make any assumptions about hand value. When I thought about dealing into the right hand player purposely, I was working with the assumption that I wouldn't have went to 2nd place even if I deal into a haneman of the right hand player, but if I deal into the left hand player he gets to renchan, even if it's a small hand (I was expecting a half flush honestly, but I played it safe anyways).