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Old 2012-05-05, 21:51   Link #421
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I guess not having the queen around for a while helped people to make up their minds and sign. Knew Otohime would die, but i still shed tears. That was very strong of the brothers to calm Shirahoshi down in that situation. So that's how Vander Decken touched Shirahoshi.

Still don't get why she refused treatment? Also i hope we find out who shot her later. I doubt it would be Vander Decken. I'm guessing the one that shot her also started the fire. I'm also thinking it wouldn't be a fish-man, but you never know.
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Old 2012-05-05, 22:03   Link #422
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I still wonder why 90% of the regular and navy people still listens to those "Tenryuubito"

I think by now... they would realize how awful they are...

It feels like I am watching how "Dictators" are ran... reminds me of "certain" countries...
But in One Piece... they have many many Dictators....

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And yes, I think Otohime needs to think more before she acts... she's too desperate.
So desperate, she would throw her life away for people that killed/enslaved hundred if not thousands of her own people...

Otohime to me... feels kinda like the Presidents or other Political/ Governors... where they all "promise" things, but none usually gets done and at times just makes it worse... LOL




If I was a Tenryuubito and thinks like them, I would sooo have turn Otohime into a personal slave... just think, the most important person of an entire Race... being a personal play thing where you can do anything you want to her without haven't any objections because you have absolute power over the entire world...
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Old 2012-05-06, 03:58   Link #423
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Forcing a smile when you really want to cry is one of the hardest things to do. I felt so sad for princes and princess. I'm going to bet with high certainty that it was Vander Decken. He had a gun on his back belt, and it left Shirahoshi alone just enough for him to conveniently tag her. He would not have had the chance normally.

So not only is he a child predator, but he also is the murderer of said child's mom. I hope his death comes sooner than later, and real death, not just ordinary imprisonment.

Back to Otohime, she was once again reckless. You can always ask for more signatures, or to get them again. They were so overwhelming in signing them that it would not be too hard to get them again. Of course, she chose to put herself in harms way again, and this time, paid the ultimate price. Also, since they did not show how she got the Celestial Dragons to approve, I am very unconvinced and weary of the whole event.

Also, when the showed the shadow of the person that is supposed to guide Shirahoshi to change the world, it looked to me like Shanks with the straw hat, but then again, my bet is on Luffy.
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Old 2012-05-06, 11:14   Link #424
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Everyone was worried about queen Otohime and with a good reason too.
It was amazing how she succeeded at least partially with her cause.
She really was a great queen.
Shirahoshi really is special with her ability to talk to Sea Kings.
Guess her mom had to pay with her life for being so kind and good..
It was really sad.
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Old 2012-05-06, 16:36   Link #425
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Forcing a smile when you really want to cry is one of the hardest things to do. I felt so sad for princes and princess. I'm going to bet with high certainty that it was Vander Decken. He had a gun on his back belt, and it left Shirahoshi alone just enough for him to conveniently tag her. He would not have had the chance normally.

So not only is he a child predator, but he also is the murderer of said child's mom. I hope his death comes sooner than later, and real death, not just ordinary imprisonment.
Yea, but think about it...what benefit is there for him by killing her mother?
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Old 2012-05-06, 17:45   Link #426
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why couldn't she just let it burn? is paper so hard to come by on fish island?
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Old 2012-05-06, 21:16   Link #427
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Also, when the showed the shadow of the person that is supposed to guide Shirahoshi to change the world, it looked to me like Shanks with the straw hat, but then again, my bet is on Luffy.
I immediately thought shanks as well, but it indeed could be Luffy as well.
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Old 2012-05-06, 23:55   Link #428
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Yea, but think about it...what benefit is there for him by killing her mother?
The benefit was to create an opening for him to get Shirahoshi. He wasn't going to get Otohime's permission to marry Shirahoshi, so might as well move her out of the way. He could care less about Fishman Island. He only cares about bagging the child and trying to use her to rule the world. Even if he wasn't the one that pulled the trigger, the fact that he took advantage of Shirahoshi's mom's death and a mourning child to do the deed is already repulsive.

Now if you are hinting who else has motivation to do so, there is a long line. You can start with Hody, then Arlong, then Celestial Dragons, then World Government, and even Aladdin. Anyone of the fishmen who hates humans have a reason to kill Otohime, who is trying to promote togetherness with humans. Celestial Dragons want their slaves back. World Government does not wantly "lowly" fishmen to join their ranks.
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Old 2012-05-07, 10:04   Link #429
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wow... Otohime's death actually done perfectly... I always love One Piece anime adaptation...

yeah... I don't really love the flashback because it's taking time too long but this one is obviously one of the most important and touching death scene


now, finally next week we can see Strawhat in action... xD (or need to wait for another week I think?)
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Old 2012-05-07, 15:46   Link #430
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You should know better than to put spoilers (even within tags) in an anime only thread.
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Old 2012-05-12, 21:52   Link #431
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Man got teary-eyed again. So it was Hordy who shot and killed the guy and showed everyone. Glad Nami forgave Jimbei. Figures Luffy would be asleep. So we now know Hordy's plan and it sucks.
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Old 2012-05-13, 04:30   Link #432
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Hody killed the suspected murderer on accusations that he was human and had a gun. Since the guy is dead, you really can't question him if he truly killed her. Of course this is a setup that the no-name human is being used as a scapegoat. Hody has done everything to further his agenda, and he does not care about hurting other Fishmen.

I thought Sanji was a bit overboard this episode. He has never wished anyone to kill themselves. Is that a filler? Since it seems so out of place.

Well, now it's time for Luffy and crew to take action and destroy Fishman Island.
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Old 2012-05-13, 10:56   Link #433
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I thought Sanji was a bit overboard this episode. He has never wished anyone to kill themselves. Is that a filler? Since it seems so out of place.
Nope, it was in the manga. Then again his rational is "If this guy hadn't released Arlong, my Nakama's life wouldn't have been shit" so I kind of understand how Sanji would react like that. Unlike Chopper, Franky, Robin and Brook, the east blue members, Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Ussop witnessed first hand how horrible Nami's life was with Arlong.
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Old 2012-05-13, 11:39   Link #434
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yeah... so far I love how anime pictured every touching moments in One Piece
although they extended this arc little too long but somehow I can enjoy it and wait patiently

Neptune's sadness... Fukaboshi's speech... and Jimbei's apology.... everything is so perfect... including how Franky ruins the moment... lol
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Old 2012-05-13, 11:59   Link #435
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Everyone was horrified that a human was the culprit.
No wonder their attitude towards humans was bad after that incident.
I really felt sorry for the king, queen's death devastated them all.
So Jinbei finally finished his story... at least that gave Luffy's crew a new perspective on things.
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Old 2012-05-13, 12:52   Link #436
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And now things will start to pick up a bit.
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Old 2012-05-13, 14:50   Link #437
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Nope, it was in the manga. Then again his rational is "If this guy hadn't released Arlong, my Nakama's life wouldn't have been shit" so I kind of understand how Sanji would react like that. Unlike Chopper, Franky, Robin and Brook, the east blue members, Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Ussop witnessed first hand how horrible Nami's life was with Arlong.
I understand this line of thought. I just never imagined Sanji to blood thirsty, especially when the person in question did not do the action directly. I understand if he wanted some retribution, but to call for honorable suicide was a bit overboard.

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And now things will start to pick up a bit.
And for that, I'm so glad. We have passed what we needed to know, as far as background information on Fishman Island. Now it is time to finally move on and take care of business.
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Old 2012-05-13, 15:19   Link #438
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I think Luffy falling asleep during that backstory explanation sums up how we all felt about the past couple of episodes. Finally things are going to get interesting and fast.
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I understand this line of thought. I just never imagined Sanji to blood thirsty, especially when the person in question did not do the action directly. I understand if he wanted some retribution, but to call for honorable suicide was a bit overboard.
I also thought it was overboard, but maybe after thinking about it I wasn't as surprised. After all we've spent a whole lot more time with Jinbei than Sanji has so easier to get angry at him. When it comes to Nami's past those who went through that arc could see the damage. Of course I think his demand might have been exaggerated just so Nami's words could have more impact. Seems like she's always had to be the one forgiving when it came to Hachi and even here.

But in the end I'm with Luffy about sleeping through this flashback. It was important information and fleshed out the pasts of Jinbei and the island, but damn that was lengthy. They needed the reminder so we had a clue what was going on in the present .
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