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Old 2012-05-19, 10:22   Link #81
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about the thing azazel said can you tell what he meant in volume 4

“…….I have lost a lot of things. However, there’s no helping seeking for things that aren’t present. It is our duty to guide humans. We members of the Seraph have the same opinion that the most important thing is to watch over the children of God from now on as well, and to guide them.”

“Hey hey, with your speech just now, you’ll ‘fall’ you know? -----I thought that but you took over the system, right. It’s become a good world. It’s completely different from the time when we ‘fell’.”
What Azazel meant is that Michael is making the world better when he took over the System that God creates, unlike the time when God was still alive. At that time many Angels become Fallen Angels and the world was in chaos of the Three-Big-Factions war which took alot of lives
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:08   Link #82
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Maybe What he meant was from the great war between the three faction where many lives were lost,not sure though!when they fell they became fallen angels,ones that have lost the grace of god,and we're seen as evil existences and attacked by the angels

In volume 12 Siegfried said that akuja Beelzebub was the only devil who could match sirzcechs, if I'm not mistaken,but surely ise could of put up a fight against him even before he got the dragon body as he could fight him for 10 minutes head-on,although he wasn't really trying
If Ise used CCQ then he might be able to fight on the same level as Sirzechs. If he can still use boost in CCQ, he should have enough raw power to overwhelm Sirzechs POD.

Of course, if CCQ is completed, Ise will (hypothetically) have Ddraigs original power, and it'd be Sirzechs on the losing end.
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:11   Link #83
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XFire@ If we talk about normal Sirzechs ...then yes. But we dont know about Sirzechs true form that we see in vol 12.
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:30   Link #84
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Soji@ doesn't sirzcechs go out of control when he uses his max power,so it is roughly the same as JD so he'll attack anybody and everybody
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:32   Link #85
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XFire@ If we talk about normal Sirzechs ...then yes. But we dont know about Sirzechs true form that we see in vol 12.
I was talking about his true form. He does something similar to Magia Erebea from Negima, where his body becomes made out of his power (in this case, Power of Destruction). But Indra is supposed to be stronger than all of the current Maou together, and he's weaker than the Bible god, who Ddraig either equaled or surpassed, so by association, complete CCQ would completely outclass everyone but Vali in sheer power.

Of course, Sirzechs has way more experience, and his power is at least partly Anti-Magic, so he might be able to bridge the power gap.

@Mammon he didn't lose control, or he would have killed Hades. He was just really, REALLY pissed about what happened to Ise.
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:32   Link #86
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Mammon @No he dont go out of controll. He can talk and all it's just that his power spreads .Afterall he become like POD in human shape or something like this.

XFire@ That's true. But like you say Sizechs has way more experience. Also we see more than one time that weaker people can defeat the stronger. Hell Ise is the best example on this.
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Old 2012-05-19, 16:44   Link #87
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I thought it was the original maou and where does it stats that in the novel?
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Old 2012-05-19, 17:16   Link #88
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I thought it was the original maou and where does it stats that in the novel?
The fact that Sirzechs, Azazel and Zenith Tempest user (forgot name) went to Hades, Sirzechs went body PoD mode and all of the party came back alive indicates that he has control over his PoD mode. If someone were to touch him in PoD mode it would be a different story, but he does not go berserk like Ise in JD.
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Old 2012-05-19, 23:16   Link #89
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I was talking about his true form. He does something similar to Magia Erebea from Negima, where his body becomes made out of his power (in this case, Power of Destruction). But Indra is supposed to be stronger than all of the current Maou together, and he's weaker than the Bible god, who Ddraig either equaled or surpassed, so by association, complete CCQ would completely outclass everyone but Vali in sheer power.

Of course, Sirzechs has way more experience, and his power is at least partly Anti-Magic, so he might be able to bridge the power gap.

@Mammon he didn't lose control, or he would have killed Hades. He was just really, REALLY pissed about what happened to Ise.
No its said that Indra 's power is equal to the 4 Moau not greater
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Old 2012-05-19, 23:25   Link #90
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No its said that Indra 's power is equal to the 4 Moau not greater
Sorry, that wasn't clear. Indra is equal to the four current Maou. God, on the other hand, is stronger than Indra (he was said to be the strongest god). By extension, the Heavenly Dragons who equal God would surpass Indra.

Edit: And by extension, they far surpass Sirzechs (lol, I forgot my original post and thought we were talking about Indra.
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Old 2012-05-19, 23:29   Link #91
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No its said that Indra 's power is equal to the 4 Moau not greater
Which is still pretty scary considering that all 4 maous are top tiers in the demon world and Sirzechs and Ajuka are super devils. That's some crazy power that Indra wields. And supposely God is even above Indra. Then Ddraig and Albion are a least equal to God. Finally Ophis even at below 50% is at double that of the heavenly dragons.

Take note that every one of these characters are thousands if not millions of times greater then Issei who destroyed a mountian in volume 2. Only a nuke is capable of such level of energy output to destroy a mountian and it has to be concentrated. If we use power scaling that means that the gods are capable of generating thousands of times greater energy then volume 2 Issei who already has the power output of a nuke...................................

How the hell has humanity not been wiped out yet?
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Old 2012-05-20, 00:06   Link #92
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Which is still pretty scary considering that all 4 maous are top tiers in the demon world and Sirzechs and Ajuka are super devils. That's some crazy power that Indra wields. And supposely God is even above Indra. Then Ddraig and Albion are a least equal to God. Finally Ophis even at below 50% is at double that of the heavenly dragons.

Take note that every one of these characters are thousands if not millions of times greater then Issei who destroyed a mountian in volume 2. Only a nuke is capable of such level of energy output to destroy a mountian and it has to be concentrated. If we use power scaling that means that the gods are capable of generating thousands of times greater energy then volume 2 Issei who already has the power output of a nuke...................................

How the hell has humanity not been wiped out yet?
Because the angels were on their side, protecting them up till the last great war. And the devils would protect their clients, and the fallen angels would protect their followers, etc. Besides there are plenty of humans with strong powers, and only humans can use Sacred Gears.

And the three big factions were more or less annihilated by the last war, so they had to focus on regaining their strength. They didn't really care about the humans at the time.
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Old 2012-05-20, 00:10   Link #93
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Which is still pretty scary considering that all 4 maous are top tiers in the demon world and Sirzechs and Ajuka are super devils. That's some crazy power that Indra wields. And supposely God is even above Indra. Then Ddraig and Albion are a least equal to God. Finally Ophis even at below 50% is at double that of the heavenly dragons.

Take note that every one of these characters are thousands if not millions of times greater then Issei who destroyed a mountian in volume 2. Only a nuke is capable of such level of energy output to destroy a mountian and it has to be concentrated. If we use power scaling that means that the gods are capable of generating thousands of times greater energy then volume 2 Issei who already has the power output of a nuke...................................

How the hell has humanity not been wiped out yet?
Well, Maou and the other gods still need humans, after all .. to worship them and other stuff. On the other hand Ophis or Great Red don't have any interest in humanity, thus destroying them would be pointless.
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Old 2012-05-20, 02:06   Link #94
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But wasn't that said when they didn't know sirzcechs true power,if im not mistaken,so as a result it would be different in my eyes
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Old 2012-05-20, 05:44   Link #95
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Which is still pretty scary considering that all 4 maous are top tiers in the demon world and Sirzechs and Ajuka are super devils. That's some crazy power that Indra wields. And supposely God is even above Indra. Then Ddraig and Albion are a least equal to God. Finally Ophis even at below 50% is at double that of the heavenly dragons.

Take note that every one of these characters are thousands if not millions of times greater then Issei who destroyed a mountian in volume 2. Only a nuke is capable of such level of energy output to destroy a mountian and it has to be concentrated. If we use power scaling that means that the gods are capable of generating thousands of times greater energy then volume 2 Issei who already has the power output of a nuke...................................

How the hell has humanity not been wiped out yet?
Because all the mythical factions are...

1.) Too busy fighting each other either actively or in a "cold war"/ MAD stand off.

2.) Using human belief systems as a "power source" through prayer and worship.

In short, they don't WANT to destroy humanity.
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Old 2012-05-20, 06:18   Link #96
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If the SG is connected to the users body,how does ise still retain the use of BG when he has a new body?
Or is it also connected to the soul aswell?
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If the SG is connected to the users body,how does ise still retain the use of BG when he has a new body?
Or is it also connected to the soul aswell?
I think the SG it's connected to the soul more than the body. Also to answer you question there is a big reason here.In vol 12 we find out that the BG senpai protect Ise soul and Ddraig link Ise soul to BB armor.And DDraig use a great deal of power to
sustain Ise soul. So in that moment BG and Ise soul where like one or connect for sure. Hope I make this enough clear.
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Old 2012-05-20, 07:04   Link #98
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If the SG is connected to the users body,how does ise still retain the use of BG when he has a new body?
Or is it also connected to the soul aswell?
If you watch FMA then its the same way Ed save his brother Al he bounded his soul to a suit of armor.
For everything else its what Soji said.
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Old 2012-05-20, 07:09   Link #99
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If ise had to be protected by the past BG users wouldn't vali and even Ophis have some degree of damage to their souls no matter their power?As they had no defence to there soul only their body's?
Or is the soul only defenceless after the body is destroyed?
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Old 2012-05-20, 07:15   Link #100
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If ise had to be protected by the past BG users wouldn't vali and even Ophis have some degree of damage to their souls no matter their power?As they had no defence to there soul only their body's?
Or is the soul only defenceless after the body is destroyed?
Samuel's curse or poison works like this it destroys the body first and then the soul until there is nothing left .
In some cases if the person has high demonic powers they will with stand it for a while but will succumb to the curse/poison.
Vail with stand it for a while because of his inherited high demonic powers.
Issei verl little to no demonic powers so could not fight with stand it .
For Ophis I think that she was too strong to have gotten damage. All Samuel did was restraint and steal her power.
If I remember right in vol 9 the Hero faction tried to summon GR to See what kind of effect Samuel would have on him.
There is no way to know what kind of effect Samuel would have on him and sense Ophis is like him a Divine Dragon there also no way to know if it can kill her or damage her soul.
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