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View Poll Results: Your Favorite Gundam Series is?
Mobile Suit Gundam 28 5.62%
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam 61 12.25%
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ 6 1.20%
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam 11 2.21%
Mobile Fighter G Gundam 13 2.61%
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing 62 12.45%
Mobile Suit Gundam X 21 4.22%
'∀' Turn A Gundam 54 10.84%
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED 143 28.71%
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny 37 7.43%
Other (Explain) 62 12.45%
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Old 2005-12-22, 12:29   Link #41
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most UC shows don't have recyled footage even clips shows, but the newer shows have them, and its really a turn off at times... which is why sseed and destiyn are too hard to get to like. Wing had it, but for some reason i didn't mind... but seed, i expected it to be good cuase of newer technology...
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Old 2005-12-22, 21:11   Link #42
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After a rather long delay due to academic reasons (grad school exams, for one), I have finally finished watching Gundam Seed Destiny. I was most reminded of Gundam X - the ending seemed to be simply tacked onto the series with little regard to whether it connected with the rest of the series. I had high hopes for the series, but it ended up being just another mediocre series like most of the Gundam Franchise.

In either case, concerning the topic at hand, here is my ranking (I've seen everything that has been ranked in its entirety).


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1.) Gundam Seed - After having seen almost every Gundam show, this one remains my clear favorite. Despite its obvious flaws, I still maintain that nothing else in Gundam compares to the last third of the series. This is among my all-time favorite series along with Juuni Kokki, Crest/Banner of the Stars, and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

2.) MSG Movies - The movies show substantial improvement (in content, as well as animation) over what I've seen of the TV series. The compression of over 40 episodes into three movies rarely allows for a dull moment. This is an excellent trilogy.


---- All of the series ranked below are ones which I thought were simply mediocre.
3.) Victory Gundam
4.) 0083
5.) Zeta Gundam
6.) 0080
7.) Char's Counterattack
8.) ZZ Gundam
9.) Gundam X
10.) Gundam Seed Destiny
11.) 08th MS Team
12.) Gundam Wing - Endless Waltz
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----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'bad'
13.) Gundam Wing

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Note: I've seen 6 episodes of G Gundam, and don't think I can bear to watch anymore. I've yet to complete Turn A Gundam.
Since I cannot claim to have completed Turn A and G Gundam, they are not ranked.
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Old 2005-12-22, 21:28   Link #43
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How could anyone like Camille more than Loran Kinda hard to understand. But I guess I just have a general distaste for angsty whiney kids.
He`s not "angsty and whiny", he`s more of an "angry young man" syndrome and frankly he had my favorite development out of any Gundam character. Amuro and Shinji were angsty and whiny.
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Old 2005-12-23, 00:52   Link #44
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He`s not "angsty and whiny", he`s more of an "angry young man" syndrome and frankly he had my favorite development out of any Gundam character. Amuro and Shinji were angsty and whiny.
Amuro was angsty? When did he ever second-guess himself or wonder if what he was doing was right? And even whiny is a bit of a stretch, unless you think crying over a lot of dear friends' deaths is whining.
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Old 2005-12-23, 01:21   Link #45
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After a rather long delay due to academic reasons (grad school exams, for one), I have finally finished watching Gundam Seed Destiny. I was most reminded of Gundam X - the ending seemed to be simply tacked onto the series with little regard to whether it connected with the rest of the series. I had high hopes for the series, but it ended up being just another mediocre series like most of the Gundam Franchise.

In either case, concerning the topic at hand, here is my ranking (I've seen everything that has been ranked in its entirety).


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1.) Gundam Seed - After having seen almost every Gundam show, this one remains my clear favorite. Despite its obvious flaws, I still maintain that nothing else in Gundam compares to the last third of the series. This is among my all-time favorite series along with Juuni Kokki, Crest/Banner of the Stars, and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

2.) MSG Movies - The movies show substantial improvement (in content, as well as animation) over what I've seen of the TV series. The compression of over 40 episodes into three movies rarely allows for a dull moment. This is an excellent trilogy.


---- All of the series ranked below are ones which I thought were simply mediocre.
3.) Victory Gundam
4.) 0083
5.) Zeta Gundam
6.) 0080
7.) Char's Counterattack
8.) ZZ Gundam
9.) Gundam X
10.) Gundam Seed Destiny
11.) 08th MS Team
12.) Gundam Wing - Endless Waltz
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----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'bad'
13.) Gundam Wing

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Note: I've seen 6 episodes of G Gundam, and don't think I can bear to watch anymore. I've yet to complete Turn A Gundam.
Since I cannot claim to have completed Turn A and G Gundam, they are not ranked.

avmoghe, long time no see...


Lmao For someone that thinks Gundam is pretty mediocre, you seem to have no problem owning and serving nearly every series ... I actually have gotten atleast 15 eps of Victory from you, I'd snag all your eps (on mx) if you'd open up the bandwidth a little bit ...3 and1/2 hrs per dl is killing me and your eps are better quality than the other sources I leech from...So help me out a little, up those kbs ...

Usually this is the point were I try to expose you for your views and mind-boggling rankings, but I remeber you well from a debate looooooong ago...You are the person that can't stand watching a series unless everything is wrapped up in a nice, TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE way...If I remember correctly you pretty much hate all series that leave endings up to interpretation of the veiwers or that finish with open-ended conclusions (which is funny since GS also ends a bit abrubtly without a clear sense of what happened after Kira's fight other than some background blather about treaties being signed)...So I can understand why you put such a mediocre spin on the Gundam franchise, because many of the series end without finite conclusions...Something I remember you telling me really bothers you (Zeta and CCA being the most glaring)...So I forgive your harshness and look to get more eps from you later, but can a brutha get atleast 25kbs per dl ??
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Old 2005-12-23, 03:36   Link #46
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I think that there's a fundamental difference between "favorite" and "best", but here's my two cents:

Favorite:
1. Victory
2. Turn A
3. Seed
4. Seed Destiny

Best
1. Turn A - Superb setting and good character interaction. The ending was a little weak, but it doesn't really detract from the whole.
2. Destiny - Flawed; but it still presented the most interesting ideas in Gundam.
3. Victory - Lots of great moments and lots of bizzare/goofy moments.
4. Seed - Plenty of compelling drama marred by some bad writing.

Interestingly enough, I feel that these shows also have the best characters among the Gundam TV shows (Victory is a fair bit weaker here than the others).
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Old 2005-12-23, 16:13   Link #47
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avmoghe, long time no see...


Lmao For someone that thinks Gundam is pretty mediocre, you seem to have no problem owning and serving nearly every series ... I actually have gotten atleast 15 eps of Victory from you, I'd snag all your eps (on mx) if you'd open up the bandwidth a little bit ...3 and1/2 hrs per dl is killing me and your eps are better quality than the other sources I leech from...So help me out a little, up those kbs ...
Nice to hear from you as well. I have owned and served many series that I don't consider excellent. I'll refrain from further comment since this is hardly the place to discuss IRC anime distribution.

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Usually this is the point were I try to expose you for your views and mind-boggling rankings, but I remeber you well from a debate looooooong ago...You are the person that can't stand watching a series unless everything is wrapped up in a nice, TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE way...If I remember correctly you pretty much hate all series that leave endings up to interpretation of the veiwers or that finish with open-ended conclusions (which is funny since GS also ends a bit abrubtly without a clear sense of what happened after Kira's fight other than some background blather about treaties being signed)...So I can understand why you put such a mediocre spin on the Gundam franchise, because many of the series end without finite conclusions...Something I remember you telling me really bothers you (Zeta and CCA being the most glaring)...So I forgive your harshness and look to get more eps from you later, but can a brutha get atleast 25kbs per dl ??
Gundam Seed's ending was a bit abrupt, with little room for an epilogue. This was mended to some extent by the five minute special that followed, however. The debate we had a long time ago was about anime that never attempted to make concrete sense - along the lines of Evangelion or FLCL. Seed's ending hardly has the 'wtf just happened?' ambiguity of that sort.

As you've noted, Zeta and CCA endings do carry some of this ambiguity with their displays of newtype powers and spirits (though hardly to the levels of Evangelion). However, I will restate that I do not *hate* either of the shows. There are plenty of elements of both shows that I liked. Overall though, when compared with other anime, I still classify them as being average.

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Old 2005-12-23, 16:20   Link #48
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I ailla gree with you on that 4tran, that GsD did present soem ideas, like the ea usign reqiuem, and that beam defelctor thing on their shipps in ep 45... good stuff. but thast about it..
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Old 2005-12-23, 22:08   Link #49
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Amuro was angsty? When did he ever second-guess himself or wonder if what he was doing was right? And even whiny is a bit of a stretch, unless you think crying over a lot of dear friends' deaths is whining.

If this is so, how can anyone consider Kamille angsty and whiny?
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Old 2005-12-24, 23:30   Link #50
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If this is so, how can anyone consider Kamille angsty and whiny?
They can't .

Zeta Rocks pure and simple.
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Old 2005-12-25, 17:05   Link #51
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Kamille was all "ZOMG DON'T YOU CALL ME A GIRL I'LL PUNCH YOUR HEAD OUT!!!111"
"ZOMG My family suckkkkkks my dad's having an affair and my mom doesn't do anything about it!!!111" "ZOMG I knew it youre not quattro bajeena youre char aznable, eat my correction fist!!!111" in the beginning. But he grows out of it eventually.

Well, I suppose that most Gundam main characters grows out of their anger and angst.

I still don't think Amuro was angry or angsty though.
He was whiney in the beginning.
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Old 2005-12-26, 00:30   Link #52
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Amuro was whiny, btu not angsty

althoguh when jerid calls kamille a murder, i couldn't help but laugh for soem reason...
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Old 2005-12-26, 01:36   Link #53
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Destiny simply for that one last OP shot and Kira being GOD.
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Old 2005-12-26, 01:55   Link #54
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Gundam 0080 and Turn A Gundam are the top two for me, followed by Victory Gundam.
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Old 2005-12-26, 02:12   Link #55
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My favourite series would be seed. gundam X, wing, turn A and Zeta were also pretty good.

Right down at the bottom would be gundam G and seed destiny.

the rest i'm pretty neutral...
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Old 2005-12-26, 02:33   Link #56
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most enjoyable-least enjoyable:
gs
gsd
turn a
gw+ew
gx
victory

haven't seen:
msg, z, g

a quarter of the way through:
zz
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Old 2005-12-26, 04:51   Link #57
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Yes I can. Victory does it better.
ah but does victory have the lgendary stuff/charecters like char,kamille,the titans,zeta gundam and haman?
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Old 2005-12-26, 16:06   Link #58
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Katejina rocks at least as much as Haman, and pwns Haman in terms of insanity and evilness. And Wings of Light and Angel Halo makes two of the most legendary weapons in all Gundams.
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Old 2005-12-26, 20:06   Link #59
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Haman is much more evil than, katejina
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Old 2005-12-26, 20:14   Link #60
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Haman is more bitter than evil I think...She wanted Char to join her...She's like madly in love with Char underneath her fake evilness (even having flashbacks of her sitting with Char having an uber-crush)...Katejina, so far (I'm only on ep 31 of Victory) i'd say she was more brain-washed by Chronicle and her own self-rightousness than ever being considered evil, but like i said i haven't finished it yet..It would suprise me if she is really an evil person in the end...
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