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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 33
10: Amazing... 5 16.13%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 6 19.35%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 14 45.16%
7 out of 10: Good... 2 6.45%
6 out of 10: Average... 2 6.45%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 1 3.23%
4 out of 10: Poor... 1 3.23%
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Old 2012-05-28, 20:14   Link #61
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Yea ok I know the whole kids being involved in war and what not has been a thing for gundam and I was somewhat ok with the kids being stuck(it's what I go with since anything else just makes it all sound fantastically daft) on the Diva but now that they are going into space they are taking the kids with them? Really?
Kids being stuck on board was ok as it's just them taggin along till the reach where and the kids are sent on their merry way but now that they are going into space, whether the Vagan presense is much much more, they are taking them with them?
I want to throw my sense of disbelief out the window so I can accept this fact(much with alot of things with gundam) but this is really pushing it to it's limits.


And whats this AGE-3 powered by shounen emotion power?

....ok I'll bite, I found that rather funny

Anyway, gotta say I find Natora being one the good aspects of this gen(maybe even the entire series for that fact), she's different. It's a change from the usual head strong captains.
Rina Satou is rather perfect for the role.

Now then onwards to the space pirates!
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Old 2012-05-28, 21:10   Link #62
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Yea ok I know the whole kids being involved in war and what not has been a thing for gundam and I was somewhat ok with the kids being stuck(it's what I go with since anything else just makes it all sound fantastically daft) on the Diva but now that they are going into space they are taking the kids with them? Really?
Kids being stuck on board was ok as it's just them taggin along till the reach where and the kids are sent on their merry way but now that they are going into space, whether the Vagan presense is much much more, they are taking them with them?
I want to throw my sense of disbelief out the window so I can accept this fact(much with alot of things with gundam) but this is really pushing it to it's limits.
Just pretend they are not there. It doesn't matter anyway.
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Old 2012-05-28, 21:31   Link #63
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Yea ok I know the whole kids being involved in war and what not has been a thing for gundam and I was somewhat ok with the kids being stuck(it's what I go with since anything else just makes it all sound fantastically daft) on the Diva but now that they are going into space they are taking the kids with them? Really?
Kids being stuck on board was ok as it's just them taggin along till the reach where and the kids are sent on their merry way but now that they are going into space, whether the Vagan presense is much much more, they are taking them with them?
I want to throw my sense of disbelief out the window so I can accept this fact(much with alot of things with gundam) but this is really pushing it to it's limits.
I thought it made sense.

The majority of the Feds shown in AGE (well any Gundam really) aren't really the most ethical people around (refer to the first episode in the Kio arc where the soldier flat out refused to help the kids until Kio took a shot at him). Diva is also the ship where the Feds dump their unwanted people and problems onto, on top of that it's partially ran by Flit Asuno, where the mid-high levels commands actively want to spite him regardless of the consequences. I could picture the base crew flat out refusing to take in the kids and said "yeah, you guys on Diva just hang on to these pesky kids kthxbai".
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Old 2012-05-28, 21:37   Link #64
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They could've dropped those kids with the nearest civilian authority/shelter. They didn't because they needed something for Kio's friend to do in the Diva and because it might make kids want to watch AGE, probably.
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Old 2012-05-28, 21:46   Link #65
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They could've dropped those kids with the nearest civilian authority/shelter.
And who's gonna do that? Diva looks like it's running non-stop from active warzone to warzone with no time for detours, the Federation forces in general is having a hell of a time defending the Earth against the Vagans (Vagans took 40% of the Earth in a very short period of time), diverting resources to either escort or transfer a few kids doesn't seem like a particularly practical operation, especially for the Fed soldiers whom don't seem to particularly ethical to begin with.

Not to mention the Vagans actively murders civilians as part of their invasion tactics anyway, don't think it makes much of a difference if you are on a battleship or a civilian shelter. Given the choice I'll stick with Diva just because Flit Asuno is onboard.
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Old 2012-05-28, 21:57   Link #66
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And who's gonna do that?
Someone, anyone.
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Diva looks like it's running non-stop from active warzone to warzone with no time for detours, the Federation forces in general is having a hell of a time defending the Earth against the Vagans (Vagans took 40% of the Earth in a very short period of time), diverting resources to either escort or transfer a few kids doesn't seem like a particularly practical operation, especially for the Fed soldiers whom don't seem to particularly ethical to begin with.
That's not really relevant. At the beginning of Kio's arc, they clearly had somewhere for civilian to go. And since Flit is on good terms with the current Commander, he could've easily had the children transferred to one of those places.
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Not to mention the Vagans actively murders civilians as part of their invasion tactics anyway, don't think it makes much of a difference if you are on a battleship or a civilian shelter. Given the choice I'll stick with Diva just because Flit Asuno is onboard.
It makes a difference to the operation of the ship. Or at least, it should.
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Old 2012-05-28, 22:15   Link #67
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Someone, anyone. That's not really relevant. At the beginning of Kio's arc, they clearly had somewhere for civilian to go. And since Flit is on good terms with the current Commander, he could've easily had the children transferred to one of those places.
You'd think the kids would be crying about where's Mama or Papa. Or if the parents were alive they'd be calling for them.

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It makes a difference to the operation of the ship. Or at least, it should.
No it wouldn't because they're stuck in a remote part of the ship that won't see combat which begs the question WHY they're even there in the first place.

I mean with AGE season 1-2 it was somewhat ok for the kids like Dique and Emily to be on there as Dique would inherit the responsibilities of the AGE system and so forth.

Here? Those kids are just decorations.
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Old 2012-05-28, 22:52   Link #68
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Someone, anyone.
Most of the Fed soldiers are cold enough to not bother (as shown by that Fed soldier driving the car), the crew of Diva has no time to do it, so where's that "someone" you are talking about?

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That's not really relevant.
It's completely relevant. Just because they have civilian shelter zones you also have to consider *how* you get them there. For example if the zone is not on the route that Diva was traveling on, would you, as a captain, divert your entire ship to drop off a few kids? Or do you park your ship, risk being discovered as well as delay your operation, and dispatch some light transportation to do so (if you have any, which doesn't seem to be the case on Diva, in which case they do what? send out the MS team?!). Or, if you are on a remote military base where the shelter is at least several hundreds of kilometres away with the most common transportation route in risk of enemy presences/occupation (remember Vagan took 40% of Earth in a short period of time and are still actively moving/expanding) would you risk sending soldiers or military vehicles to escort a few kids there? etc You seem to have this idea that to ship off the kids is as easy as just calling a cab or take a bus or something when in fact it involves much more unusual logistics and risk than that. On the other hand if you just keep them on Diva at most you consume a few more rations on a ship that most people actively despises and treat as the waste disposal ship where you put your unwanted crap, I'd know what route a lazy soldier would take given the choice.

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And since Flit is on good terms with the current Commander, he could've easily had the children transferred to one of those places.
Yeah only to have the subordinates actively spite the order like I've said - you know just like how the current crew of Diva got assigned there in the first place, or did you not watch that episode? Orders might be given by the top, but whether it is carried out properly is in the hands of those actually doing it. Discipline is when this comes in, yet this is also the area where the Feds constantly shows they lack in any Gundam show.

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It makes a difference to the operation of the ship. Or at least, it should.
Well it doesn't, they just stow them away like luggage. Again they are just a few more mouths to feed on a ship, MUCH less trouble to everyone else not on Diva that actually have to work to move them off.
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Old 2012-05-28, 22:54   Link #69
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Easily the best episode of the 3rd generation yet even though we still kind of seem to be taking a ton of queues from the Soldiers In Sorrow arc of the original. There's a lot going on this time around and lots of solid character development. Kio has to deal with his first major loss in the war with Shanalua getting killed and their being nothing he could do about it. As Flit said that's sometimes the way things go and I think it'll be a good lesson for him going forward, especially since in this show every character has made a major stride after a big loss. For Flit it was Yurin's death that convinced him that his life would be devoted to protecting Earth from the Vagan's, for Asem it was Woolf's death that finally convinced him that he could step out from under his fathers shadow and be his own man, and for Kio it looks like Shanalua's pointless yet inevitable death will convince him that this is where he ought to be, trying to put an end to the war so that situations like hers don't happen.

Algreus is the man and so is Seric Abis. It seems like only Flit manages to get the good comptetent men on his side, but can he really mold Natora into a serviceable captain. It looks like all she needs is some confidence since she does seem to understand the basics of her role, but it's looking to be a slow process. Flit's going to have to be the captain of the Diva for quite some time yet I think. On the Vagan side it looks like Zeheart's postion is starting to slip a bit ala his brothers in the past after failure after failure, though it doesn't seem like Ezelcant is really setting him up in a position to succeed and Zeheart calls him on it. Meanwhile he's got Zanald looking like he's not going to follow him much anymore and we've got Fram who looks to play the Lalah a bit in being the mysterious waif sent from above to assist an increasingly outmatched hero, yet unlike Lalah she doesn't seem like she really thinks much of him now and also seems a lot more sinister. What are the odds she has some sort of Mobile Armor to pilot in the near future.

Anyway since Soldiers of Sorrow ended with them going off into space to face an enemy in orbit (albeit a bit in reverse since Vagan is invading, not retreating by this point like Zeon) it looks like that's what we'll do here. They did a semi-reference to the lengdary bird scene so I wonder whether we'll get the reference to the start of Encounters in Space at the start of the next one. I kind of hope not because without White Base Goes To the Moon playing it's kind of pointless since that's what made the scene iconic.
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Old 2012-05-28, 22:59   Link #70
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Someone, anyone.
Most of the Fed soldiers are cold enough to not bother, the crew of Diva has no time to do it, so where's that "someone" you are talking about?

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That's not really relevant.
It's completely relevant. Just because they have civilian shelter zones you also have to consider *how* you get them there. For example if the zone is not on the route that Diva was traveling on, would you, as a captain, divert your entire ship to drop off a few kids? Or do you park your ship, risk being discovered and dispatch some light transportation to do so (if you have any, which doesn't seem to be the case on Diva, in which case they do what? send out the MS team?!). Or, if you are on a remote military base where the shelter is at least several hundreds of kilometres away with the most common transportation route in risk of enemy presences/occupation (remember Vagan took 40% of Earth in a short period of time and are still actively moving/expanding) would you risk sending soldiers or military vehicles to escort a few kids there? etc You seem to have this idea that to ship off the kids is as easy as just calling a cab or take a bus or something when in fact it involves much more unusual logistics and risk than that. On the other hand if you just keep them on Diva at most you consume a few more rations on a ship that most people actively despises, I'd know what route a lazy soldier would take given the choice.

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And since Flit is on good terms with the current Commander, he could've easily had the children transferred to one of those places.
Yeah only to have the subordinates actively spite the order like I've said - you know just like how the current crew of Diva got assigned there in the first place, or did you not watch that episode? Orders might be given by the top, but whether it is carried out properly is in the hands of those actually doing it. Discipline is when this comes in, yet this is also the area where the Feds constantly shows they lack in any Gundam show.

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It makes a difference to the operation of the ship. Or at least, it should.
Well it doesn't, they just stow them away like luggage.
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Old 2012-05-28, 23:12   Link #71
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Most of the Fed soldiers are cold enough to not bother (as shown by that Fed soldier driving the car), the crew of Diva has no time to do it, so where's that "someone" you are talking about?



It's completely relevant. Just because they have civilian shelter zones you also have to consider *how* you get them there. For example if the zone is not on the route that Diva was traveling on, would you, as a captain, divert your entire ship to drop off a few kids? Or do you park your ship, risk being discovered as well as delay your operation, and dispatch some light transportation to do so (if you have any, which doesn't seem to be the case on Diva, in which case they do what? send out the MS team?!).
The point is to remove the children from the Diva, not for the Diva to transport them.
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Or, if you are on a remote military base where the shelter is at least several hundreds of kilometres away with the most common transportation route in risk of enemy presences/occupation (remember Vagan took 40% of Earth in a short period of time and are still actively moving/expanding) would you risk sending soldiers or military vehicles to escort a few kids there? etc You seem to have this idea that to ship off the kids is as easy as just calling a cab or take a bus or something when in fact it involves much more unusual logistics and risk than that. On the other hand if you just keep them on Diva at most you consume a few more rations on a ship that most people actively despises and treat as the waste disposal ship where you put your unwanted crap, I'd know what route a lazy soldier would take given the choice.
If the Diva is going into space, then that's where we can assume the major battles will be held. So leave the children on Earth and let the people on Earth worry about transporting the children. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can find a way.
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Yeah only to have the subordinates actively spite the order like I've said - you know just like how the current crew of Diva got assigned there in the first place, or did you not watch that episode? Orders might be given by the top, but whether it is carried out properly is in the hands of those actually doing it. Discipline is when this comes in, yet this is also the area where the Feds constantly shows they lack in any Gundam show.
Just because there are bad people in the military doesn't mean there are no good people.

And besides, if they're going to use that excuse, then they should at least address it the show. Otherwise, it just look like those children are really supposed to be there.
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Old 2012-05-28, 23:30   Link #72
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I was surprised to see the Diva return to its original form. After generation 2, I figured that transformation had become permanent.
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Old 2012-05-29, 00:30   Link #73
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Btw, if I'm not mistaken that Adelle Zeheart cut in half this episode is his first kill on screen since like episode 18 or 19...

mission success rate = 0%
kills = 4 or 5 in 20 years.

very unimpressive.
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Old 2012-05-29, 00:36   Link #74
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They could've dropped those kids with the nearest civilian authority/shelter. They didn't because they needed something for Kio's friend to do in the Diva and because it might make kids want to watch AGE, probably.
What is more strange is that you can eat junk food on the job w/o any consequences, the control panels must be greasy after each mission
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Old 2012-05-29, 00:54   Link #75
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What is more strange is that you can eat junk food on the job w/o any consequences, the control panels must be greasy after each mission
Yeah, I think they're trying a little too hard there to show the kind of people who are the current crew for the Diva.
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Old 2012-05-29, 02:04   Link #76
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I just realized what AGE reminds me of...

Gundam AGE is Heroman + Gundam.

... you can't un-see it now!
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Old 2012-05-29, 04:11   Link #77
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The point is to remove the children from the Diva, not for the Diva to transport them. If the Diva is going into space, then that's where we can assume the major battles will be held. So leave the children on Earth and let the people on Earth worry about transporting the children. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can find a way. Just because there are bad people in the military doesn't mean there are no good people.

And besides, if they're going to use that excuse, then they should at least address it the show. Otherwise, it just look like those children are really supposed to be there.


You're both right.
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Old 2012-05-29, 06:10   Link #78
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I was surprised to see the Diva return to its original form. After generation 2, I figured that transformation had become permanent.
I guess the original form was more suited for entering space, less air resistance etc.
Kind of funny how the kids are taken into space, while their family/parents could have survived the initial assault and are now looking for them. It is already a staple in gundam, where the female love interest takes after kids
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The kids thing is pretty odd. If you are going to try and find their parents then keeping them on Earth where they can then be taken home makes a whole lot more sense. I don't buy the reasoning that the federation military is too full of bad people. We've seen a mix as you'd expect from this generation. Don't think it'd be that hard to find someone who can take these kids to a shelter where they can wait out this conflict with other civilians.

I get they need some excuse to keep Wendy on board and busy, but seems like babysitting is a weak excuse.

Regardless Zeheart really needs to think about what he's doing out there. Not exactly having the best of results. Bet he's missing the good old days when he could beat Asemu and play the role of a spy.
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Yeah, I think they're trying a little too hard there to show the kind of people who are the current crew for the Diva.
But they heard our requests/complaints about the Gen-1/Gen-2 casts not having any CHARACTER! see, atleast we remember Greasyfingers McBurger.

does anyone even remember Black bridgeguy? what happened to him after Gen 1?
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