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Old 2012-05-30, 14:06   Link #1061
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Guess why the DGTO wants entertainment banned, since the end of the galactic war. They have established themselves as absolute dictators of the galaxy and controls all FTL tech. The problem is the Kiarara provide the people with the possibility to move independently on their own. The DGTO, being a corporate entity above all else does not want that and thus the entertainment bans were made, to explicitly prevent idols from springing up and destroying their hold on the monopoly.

The AEPS probably has limited access to the Kiarara technology.
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Old 2012-05-30, 15:27   Link #1062
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The banning of idols actually make more sense if they're capitalizing on the power of the Kirara while the government can't
But couldn't they just use their own idols to make the same power?
Or maybe there would be a twist of former centers now leading the government forces lol

lawd....honestly i still can't believe this storyline....lolol

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I see scissor trying to cut Orine doll. And the person holding it seem like a guy?
stalker or maybe fan of another AKB0048 girl that want to eliminate Orine due to rivalry? fun ep next ~
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Old 2012-05-30, 16:27   Link #1063
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The banning of idols actually make more sense if they're capitalizing on the power of the Kirara while the government can't
But couldn't they just use their own idols to make the same power?
Or maybe there would be a twist of former centers now leading the government forces lol

lawd....honestly i still can't believe this storyline....lolol

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I see scissor trying to cut Orine doll. And the person holding it seem like a guy?
stalker or maybe fan of another AKB0048 girl that want to eliminate Orine due to rivalry? fun ep next ~
If they can't ise it, it is better to simply crush it. The DGTO already got their ftl tech that works.
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Old 2012-05-30, 16:58   Link #1064
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Well, you can't just "make" idols in this world. You kind of have to be born with "it", and most likely, the government wouldn't know what "it" is. So yeah, I'm pretty certain that AKB are the only ones who can use that wormhole. Everyone else seems to have their own FTL technology, but the Kirara jump is something beyond that. Think Mass Effect: FTL drives and Mass relays. Both are used for travel, but on a way different level. And even if they did have their own wormhole, I'm pretty sure they still wouldn't know what coordinated AKB used.
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Old 2012-05-30, 17:18   Link #1065
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I believe the Kirara tech only can be used by AKV and that probably ticks the goverment. If you look in this way, Kirara only get attracted to singing young girls, not some not some grumpy old dude. Just wondering, will kirara work well with things like Detroit Metal City.

Is it me or the opening shows that Chieri knows how to play the piano.
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Old 2012-05-30, 17:30   Link #1066
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Considering that Akibastar suffered from war at least in the past I don't think they don't know how to reach it. Maybe like someone commented, the situation could be similar to matrix in a way. DGTO/DES may need the AKB0048 to exist to nurture idols that have the idol aura that seems related with the power the kirara gets (the one that was with Chieri used to Shine but then stopped, so it may indicated they need to be near idols / people with strong idol aura or they run out of it). So while they could be able to crush Akibastar they don't do it and keep the war against them as a farce so more idols would be trained. Then from time to time they would capture/kidnap those with the highest idol aura, the centers.
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Old 2012-05-30, 17:31   Link #1067
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Is it me or the opening shows that Chieri knows how to play the piano.
It's not just you. I hope we'll see her play at some point in the series. Also, Nagisa can ride a bike.
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Old 2012-05-30, 17:39   Link #1068
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It's not just you. I hope we'll see her play at some point in the series. Also, Nagisa can ride a bike.
Talking about that, on ep1 we learn that Orine likes operating machines. When she becomes a successor she may become a good Guardian Angel pilot.
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Old 2012-05-30, 18:31   Link #1069
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It's not just you. I hope we'll see her play at some point in the series. Also, Nagisa can ride a bike.
Nagisa's bike riding is reminisce more of Acchan..
From the beginning Aitakatta to Iiwake, Everyday Kachuusha, even Manatsu no sounds good now, Acchan has always have her bike

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Well, you can't just "make" idols in this world. You kind of have to be born with "it", and most likely, the government wouldn't know what "it" is. So yeah, I'm pretty certain that AKB are the only ones who can use that wormhole. Everyone else seems to have their own FTL technology, but the Kirara jump is something beyond that. Think Mass Effect: FTL drives and Mass relays. Both are used for travel, but on a way different level. And even if they did have their own wormhole, I'm pretty sure they still wouldn't know what coordinated AKB used.
But if DES is able to control a large portion of the planet, there must be some planet up there with girls able to be idol or have the "it" factor but hasn't been discovered yet. They can just recruit them and train them.

But then those idols being train by DES wouldn't be able to utilize Kirara's full power since they're not singing because they want to but because they're being forced to.

LOL....all these mysteries for an idol anime.
I'm for the theory that the government is behind the missing centers. It would be more interesting than the idea that the girl just up and leave for no reason.
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Old 2012-05-30, 19:42   Link #1070
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But if DES is able to control a large portion of the planet, there must be some planet up there with girls able to be idol or have the "it" factor but hasn't been discovered yet. They can just recruit them and train them.

But then those idols being train by DES wouldn't be able to utilize Kirara's full power since they're not singing because they want to but because they're being forced to.
That's a good reasoning to why DES would need AKB to make the idols. Considering cases like Kanata, it does seems some of the things needed to be able to become a successor and have a high idol aura is to really want to sing and teamwork. Something that would be hard to create in an artificial way.
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Old 2012-05-30, 20:03   Link #1071
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Considering cases like Kanata, it does seems some of the things needed to be able to become a successor and have a high idol aura is to really want to sing and teamwork. Something that would be hard to create in an artificial way.
Now that you mentioned it, I'm not sure I'm buying the idea that this "idol aura" thing is something inborn, like Chieri seems to believe. Rather, I think the "aura" is probably just an expression of how much these girls enjoy dancing and singing and working together. Like, the more gleefully happy you are, the more "aura" you display.

Then again, maybe it's just my tendency to demystify everything I see.
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Old 2012-05-30, 20:29   Link #1072
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Now that you mentioned it, I'm not sure I'm buying the idea that this "idol aura" thing is something inborn, like Chieri seems to believe. Rather, I think the "aura" is probably just an expression of how much these girls enjoy dancing and singing and working together. Like, the more gleefully happy you are, the more "aura" you display.

Then again, maybe it's just my tendency to demystify everything I see.
Even then, some people just don't have the personality to pull those things off, so in that way it's still "inborn." But I do think Chieri overestimating the level of difficulty in becoming an idol. I think she's down on herself specifically because her kirara has never glowed for her, and it's affecting her judgement in some areas.

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Considering that Akibastar suffered from war at least in the past I don't think they don't know how to reach it.
We have no information regarding what war caused the damage to the planet, or when. It could have been some entirely unrelated local conflict. Or it could have been caused by the government a long time ago, before the current city was created. There are still plenty of possibilities that could explain the DGTO not knowing where Akibastar is.

Remember folks, we still have very little concrete historical information about this universe. Don't spend too much time building up theories based on other theories, because you could end up completely and utterly on the wrong track, if it turns out the first theory you based everything on is wrong.
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Old 2012-05-30, 20:37   Link #1073
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If y'all are interested, the rest of the glossary is translated here.

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Old 2012-05-30, 22:03   Link #1074
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It make sense if Akibastar is earth.
The name did come from Akibahara
It would be funny for possibly the only last surviving city of earth is the city of anime, maid, moe, and games..lol

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Old 2012-05-30, 22:06   Link #1075
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It would be funny for possibly the only last surviving city of earth is the city of anime, maid, moe, and games..
A small paradise in a sea of skyscrapers: Akihabara. There we find three warriors who believe that pain is power, and fight battles that exist entirely in their heads. They are... not in this show.
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Old 2012-05-30, 22:18   Link #1076
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I'm sure this question's been asked before, but... how exactly are there 77 generations of AKB 0048 members? The series synopsis says that this series takes place in the 22nd century, so has AKB been around since the time of Jesus Christ or something? >_>
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Old 2012-05-30, 22:25   Link #1077
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I'm sure this question's been asked before, but... how exactly are there 77 generations of AKB 0048 members? The series synopsis says that this series takes place in the 22nd century, so has AKB been around since the time of Jesus Christ or something? >_>
I was told that "generation" is the term that fans use for the real-life AKB's recruiting periods (called 期), so that's what was used in the translation.

It's a bit confusing, but it doesn't refer to literal parents-and-children generations. They're more of "seasons" in which AKB recruits new members, and members who were recruited in the same season become part of the same "generation".

You'll notice that Kanata and Mimori are 75th generation while Nagisa and the gang are 77th generation. However, Kanata and Mimori have only been around a year longer. This implies that there are two recruiting periods per year, thus two "generations" per year.

If I recall correctly, the real-life AKB is up to generation 13 or so. It's possible that AKB0048 has continued the numbering scheme instead of starting over from 1, so the first generation recruited to AKB0048 might have been generation 30 for all we know.
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Old 2012-05-30, 22:46   Link #1078
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You'll notice that Kanata and Mimori are 75th generation while Nagisa and the gang are 77th generation. However, Kanata and Mimori have only been around a year longer. This implies that there are two recruiting periods per year, thus two "generations" per year.
Two years longer, actually. Still, one recruitment a year. 77 years.

I have to wonder what happened to generations like the 76th? 75th was cursed because everyone except Kanata and Mimori gave up, and those two haven't graduated. That implies that the 76th did better, yet where are they? None of them became successors: the group that visited Lancaster still seems to be all there is of AKB0048's active members. Is it possible to somehow graduate from being a trainee yet not become a successor?
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Old 2012-05-30, 22:56   Link #1079
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Two years longer, actually.
Woooow I can't believe I remembered that wrong. Brain must be going.

Who knows what happened to 76? Maybe none even passed the initial auditions. 75 might be "cursed" because a good bunch of girls passed, but nobody managed to get promoted and most of them dropped out (Mimori has a brief flashback in episode 4, where she remembers the other girls from her generation all leaving). But if nobody in 76 was even worth considering, then I guess you'd call it a dud instead of a "cursed generation".

Well, that's one possibility.
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Old 2012-05-30, 23:02   Link #1080
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Even then, some people just don't have the personality to pull those things off, so in that way it's still "inborn." But I do think Chieri overestimating the level of difficulty in becoming an idol. I think she's down on herself specifically because her kirara has never glowed for her, and it's affecting her judgement in some areas.
Because she was working so hard for it (considering who her dad it is it may have been even harder for her to train than Nagisa) her objective may have mutated unconsciously to getting better / becoming worth of being an idol. But that thinking that may have hindered her so far.
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Now that you mentioned it, I'm not sure I'm buying the idea that this "idol aura" thing is something inborn, like Chieri seems to believe. Rather, I think the "aura" is probably just an expression of how much these girls enjoy dancing and singing and working together. Like, the more gleefully happy you are, the more "aura" you display.

Then again, maybe it's just my tendency to demystify everything I see.
I think it may also be related with making people happy, both your teammates and spectators, with your singing and dancing.
Well considering this aura can make those girls glows, seems like it can even power up them (it did felt to me like Yuuko got stronger after singing and emitting her aura, getting strong enough to lift the chandelier on ep 3 and save Chieri), and also seems to make kiraras glow who also happen to power up some kind of hyperspace traveling... oh well too many "seems" there.
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I was told that "generation" is the term that fans use for the real-life AKB's recruiting periods (called 期), so that's what was used in the translation.

It's a bit confusing, but it doesn't refer to literal parents-and-children generations. They're more of "seasons" in which AKB recruits new members, and members who were recruited in the same season become part of the same "generation".

You'll notice that Kanata and Mimori are 75th generation while Nagisa and the gang are 77th generation. However, Kanata and Mimori have only been around a year longer. This implies that there are two recruiting periods per year, thus two "generations" per year.

If I recall correctly, the real-life AKB is up to generation 13 or so. It's possible that AKB0048 has continued the numbering scheme instead of starting over from 1, so the first generation recruited to AKB0048 might have been generation 30 for all we know.
Wasn't Kanata and Mimori generation from two years ago? at least isn't that what Tsubasa said on ep 4 01:45?

Current year is stellar year 0048. As the AKB48 sung till the end of earth, and first stellar year was after earth ends, then AKB0048 was liked created in less than 48 years ago.
If it is two generation per year, then maybe they could have started from 1. But if it's one per year, then the number would only make sense if they continued counting from where the real AKB stopped.

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I have to wonder what happened to generations like the 76th? 75th was cursed because everyone except Kanata and Mimori gave up, and those two haven't graduated. That implies that the 76th did better, yet where are they? None of them became successors: the group that visited Lancaster still seems to be all there is of AKB0048's active members. Is it possible to somehow graduate from being a trainee yet not become a successor?
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Who knows what happened to 76? Maybe none even passed the initial auditions. 75 might be "cursed" because a good bunch of girls passed, but nobody managed to get promoted and most of them dropped out (Mimori has a brief flashback in episode 4, where she remembers the other girls from her generation all leaving). But if nobody in 76 was even worth considering, then I guess you'd call it a dud instead of a "cursed generation".

Well, that's one possibility.
Remember that while the story focus on the 8 more famous active successors there are other successors active although they are just there as background characters, likely because they already have too many important characters to focus on xD. You can see them on background here and there on concerts both on lancastar 4 years ago and on ones on current time. So maybe some generation 76 girls became successors. They just aren't as important as those 8 currently are for the AKB0048 team.

You guys can check it yourselves on:
Episode 1, 02:17, there is at least 16 successors dancing on the concert, then there is Mariko inside the ship for at least 17 successors.
Episode 3, 14:28, there is at least 14 successors dancing on the concert.
Episode 4, 02:53, there is at least 10 successors dancing on the concert.
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