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Old 2012-05-31, 15:12   Link #21701
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Hanging around too many Americans since 1950 maybe? Or as a counter to the Kims up North?
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Old 2012-05-31, 15:26   Link #21702
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Hanging around too many Americans since 1950 maybe? Or as a counter to the Kims up North?
That kind of goes hand in hand, so probably both. But surprising. I wonder what the % of population that is agnostic is for countries in past few decades.
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Old 2012-05-31, 15:36   Link #21703
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I don't buy that. East asians aren't particularly religious in the first place, and don't have any kind of "monoreligious" concept the way westerners do. They already have seperate indigenous beliefs from the Chinese (who have chinese folk religion) and Japanese (Shintoism). Koreans have shamanism.

Certainly I don't see how imitation of the west would play into nationalist sentiments. That would be like Ukraine taking up Buddhism en masse to differentiate itself from Russia, an absurd notion.
Actually... the Ukrainian already did that, altough they didn't need to go that far to spite the Russians, ever heard of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church?
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Old 2012-05-31, 15:46   Link #21704
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Actually... the Ukrainian already did that, altough they didn't need to go that far to spite the Russians, ever heard of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church?
That religion is more a remnant of when most of western Ukraine was ruled by the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth(which was catholic). It is not a recent creation the way Korean christianity is. It certainly has not grown much due to conversions. Most if not all of it's adherents grew up inside the church.
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Old 2012-05-31, 15:58   Link #21705
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That religion is more a remnant of when most of western Ukraine was ruled by the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth(which was catholic). It is not a recent creation the way Korean christianity is. It certainly has not grown much due to conversions. Most if not all of it's adherents grew up inside the church.
Yet for most of the XXth century, it has been an important element of Ukrainian nationalism against Russia and other foes.
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Old 2012-05-31, 16:02   Link #21706
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Which means it isn't new. It is a historical part of Ukranian life. The Korean thing seems new.
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Old 2012-05-31, 16:08   Link #21707
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and one thing's for sure...

your country is on a righteous path to become the 2nd most Christian East Asian country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8322072.stm
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I've always found this really weird. Everywhere else in the world christianity is on the retreat, or finding it difficult to make any inroads (like in China, Japan). But Korea has had a christian movement spring up, with the vast majority of converts in the last 50 years. Very strange.
There are several elements, but if we condense them into two parts:

1. Neo-Confucianism: There is no focus on the afterlife in Confucianism, and Neo-C was really harsh. In this context, the possibility of there being Heaven under a loving God made many believe. This is in contrast to Japan (Shinto and its infinite kamis) and China (folk religion was actually similar to Shinto in decentralization, and Taoism also helped).

2. Nationalism: Unexpectedly for many in Europe/Americas, members of the church were also staunch nationalists who kept the flames of independence during the Japanese occupation (of course, the attempts at enforcing Shinto had a hand in this), and furthermore the churches were able to mobilize their organizations to demonstrate for democracy and human rights during the dictatorships. These two factors combined to make the churches popular and also even more organized.


But frankly, I don't see the religious status quo changing in Korea. Currently Christianity conversions are done between different churches rather than from different religions, and most of the energy for conversions are aimed at DPRK or overseas. Within Korea, there's a subtle "no more crossing the boundaries" rule among the different Korean religious groups.



That aside, frankly the anti-abortion movement is growing due to the abuses of abortion. Most of the arguments which the Republicans use actually applies to Korea, and thus a strong focus on moral ethics and responsibility is a major part of the Korean anti-abortion movement, which are being led by doctors who formerly did abortions. Quite ironic that the thoughts of the batshit religious right actually do apply in a different country from the US.
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Old 2012-05-31, 17:38   Link #21708
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Now that I think about it, there have been other times where christianity spread suddenly in East Asia. Namely during the Taiping Rebellion in China (mid 1800s), and during the sengoku Jidai in Japan.

From what I can see, Christianity manages to tap into a cultish millenarian tradition that's present in many east asian peasant communities, that's usually channeled more towards buddhism (like the white lotus sect in China, and Ikko ikki in Japan). Some christian denominations in Korea are admittedly a bit cultish (namely the moonies).

I don't see many direct ties between those christian incidents and korea's recent growth in christianity, though.
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Old 2012-05-31, 17:48   Link #21709
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Define recent growth. Most of the growth in the 20th century came from the years under the Japanese occupation and the dictatorships.
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Old 2012-05-31, 17:50   Link #21710
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Man in New Jersey disembowels himself then pelts the police with his own intestines... wtf?

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A New Jersey man allegedly cut out his entrails in front of police and then threw bits of his flesh and intestines at them.

The gruesome scene played out at a home in Hackensack, N.J., where 43-year-old Wayne Carter allegedly barricaded himself in on Sunday, NBC New York reported.

Officers got a call that morning when a witness said Carter was threatening to harm himself with a knife. Two cops responded, kicked in the door and found Carter in the corner, the station reported.

Carter allegedly ignored officers' orders to put down the knife, and instead began stabbing himself in the abdomen, neck and legs.

An attempt to pepper spray the bleeding man had no effect, the Associated Press reported.

That's when Carter -- disemboweled but responsive -- reportedly threw bits of his skin and intestines at the officers.

They decided to retreat and call in the Bergen County SWAT team, Hackensack police Lt. John Heinemann told reporters. The team was able to subdue Carter and get him to a hospital, where he remained in critical condition on Monday.

Heinemann said he believes that drugs or mental illness may have led to the horrific incident, but those details haven't been confirmed.

No charges have yet been filed due to the unusual nature of the incident.
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Old 2012-05-31, 18:09   Link #21711
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Define recent growth. Most of the growth in the 20th century came from the years under the Japanese occupation and the dictatorships.
yeah, this *isn't* a new thing in Korea. Christian Baptist is, like, the unofficial national religion (not really but) and has been for several decades (since 1950s?). Just another kind of "lets all do this the same way in the same direction".. from what I've read, it has basically hit a plateau along with the population.

edit: the situation is apparently more complicated with recent declines in Protestantism and growth in Catholicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Korea
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Old 2012-05-31, 18:27   Link #21712
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For some odd reason I am reminded of a scene in the first season of Babyon 5. For most sci-fi productions that include aliens, whatever alien species usually only has one dominate religion (with someones one rival religion, or a few seperatist cults or minor variants). This can be seen in Babylon 5 was the episode's backstory was a week of demonstrating each world's dominate belief system. At the end of the week the Humans still have not shown their dominate belief system and Commander Sinclair has all the representatives waiting.

He finally takes them to one of the larger rooms on the station were he has gathered a huge line of men and women representing all or nearly all of Earth's belief systems. The line starts with an Antheist. The line is really long, as the camera keeps pulling back from the group of command staff and ambassidors as they shake hands or bow to each one as the Commander introduces each person by name and religion. He's no were near the end of the line as the episode ends with more people being seen as the screen fades to black.

While it is hard to imagine that Earth would be so unique as to still have hundreds of belief systems while other species usually only have one or maybe a dozen at most, it is interesting that a show would actually put forth the notion that we don't have a dominate belief and we are fine with that.

Star Trek tended to try to brush Earth religion under the rug as something from the past that wasn't needed anymore.
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Old 2012-05-31, 18:34   Link #21713
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Star Trek tended to try to brush Earth religion under the rug as something from the past that wasn't needed anymore.
They also did away with money, OMG, they were communists *insert dramatic squirrel*
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Old 2012-05-31, 18:57   Link #21714
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They also did away with money, OMG, they were communists *insert dramatic squirrel*
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Old 2012-05-31, 19:03   Link #21715
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They also did away with money, OMG, they were communists *insert dramatic squirrel*
It IS a prarie dog!

I mean, where's the bushy tail?
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Old 2012-05-31, 19:04   Link #21716
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Old 2012-05-31, 19:43   Link #21718
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Old 2012-05-31, 22:22   Link #21719
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For some odd reason I am reminded of a scene in the first season of Babyon 5. For most sci-fi productions that include aliens, whatever alien species usually only has one dominate religion (with someones one rival religion, or a few seperatist cults or minor variants). This can be seen in Babylon 5 was the episode's backstory was a week of demonstrating each world's dominate belief system. At the end of the week the Humans still have not shown their dominate belief system and Commander Sinclair has all the representatives waiting.

He finally takes them to one of the larger rooms on the station were he has gathered a huge line of men and women representing all or nearly all of Earth's belief systems. The line starts with an Antheist. The line is really long, as the camera keeps pulling back from the group of command staff and ambassidors as they shake hands or bow to each one as the Commander introduces each person by name and religion. He's no were near the end of the line as the episode ends with more people being seen as the screen fades to black.

While it is hard to imagine that Earth would be so unique as to still have hundreds of belief systems while other species usually only have one or maybe a dozen at most, it is interesting that a show would actually put forth the notion that we don't have a dominate belief and we are fine with that.

Star Trek tended to try to brush Earth religion under the rug as something from the past that wasn't needed anymore.
I remember that episode well. If I remember correctly, the lesson learned about the humans, is that the humans are strong because they are diverse.

Zod I loved that series!

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Old 2012-06-01, 03:15   Link #21720
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Man in New Jersey disembowels himself then pelts the police with his own intestines... wtf?
Wow.......this right after that cannibal eating another man's face on the Miami freeway last week. Something's happening..... best stock up on 12 gauge and start making dumdum bullets. Hope that cabin up in the woods is well stocked.
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