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Old 2012-06-09, 04:55   Link #21861
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Come again?



Hard to find actual news about it. What I can say is that with the recent problems with Yoido Full Gospel Church has sent shockwaves throughout the Korean Protestants, and with Saenuri coming under practical control by the more moderate Park faction, one can say that political Protestantism is lost major elements of its rather arrogant ways of doing things during Lee's term.
Again, I wish you could provide us with some actual English news articles about this.
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Old 2012-06-09, 05:37   Link #21862
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Which is very difficult. Still, here are some scrapes that may help you look into things.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service...=2012040413718
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...98_104502.html
http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view....08001125&cpv=0
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Old 2012-06-09, 06:52   Link #21863
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I like to point out that all your articles are before April 2012 elections ( http://www.cfr.org/south-korea/april...-future/p27889 )

As of now, I don't see Korean Protestants becoming any quieter. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1445192.html )

Also, some recent opinions found in a Korean news paper

Defending evolution theory


Muddy ideological warfare
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Old 2012-06-09, 07:16   Link #21864
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Old 2012-06-09, 07:34   Link #21865
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As of now, I don't see Korean Protestants becoming any quieter. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1445192.html )
And how is this connected to things getting worse supposing the Saenuri Party wins the presidential election? Those kind of "protests" are a norm in a highly ideological society like Korea, which has always had strict readings of religion and politics.


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What's the connection between this editorial and Korean Protestants?
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Old 2012-06-09, 17:23   Link #21866
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Greece is all but FUBAR-ed


Now to one of EU's PIIGS residents (besides Greece): bend over, here it comes again!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85801120120609

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u think Greece is child's play?

check out this sticker shock!

http://news.yahoo.com/spain-100-bill...182417008.html
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Old 2012-06-09, 19:39   Link #21867
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Aren't China also going the high-tech way while builing a ''blue navy ''?
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Old 2012-06-09, 19:48   Link #21868
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Aren't China also going the high-tech way while builing a ''blue navy ''?
Probably the focus on the Dongfeng-21D is why PRC is mentioned.
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Old 2012-06-10, 07:18   Link #21869
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And how is this connected to things getting worse supposing the Saenuri Party wins the presidential election? Those kind of "protests" are a norm in a highly ideological society like Korea, which has always had strict readings of religion and politics.
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South Koreans under the age of 18 have already banned from attending the concert, the AFP reports. Initially, the show was deemed suitable for anyone over the age of 12, but the Korean Media Rating Board upped the age of entry.
I have presented this article as an anecdotal evidence of continued influence of Christian faction in Korean Government, and thus indirectly, the Ruling Party. As you pointed out ; "in a highly ideological society like Korea, which has always had strict readings of religion and politics." , which does not bode well to any growth of tolerance and acceptance of reason. The ruling party has little incentive to go against the wishes of their supporters, majority of which are these strict, highly ideological Christians.

AS you can see from this article : http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/525845.html
there isn't much to hope for any change of direction from Saenuri Party. Why should they when they won? Winning the presidential election will likely embolden them further to push for even more agendas they supported before. When you combine this with your statement of "in a highly ideological society like Korea, which has always had strict readings of religion and politics," I don't see much hope for compromises nor restoring scientific integrity and correcting wrong infor regarding history to Korean text books .


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What's the connection between this editorial and Korean Protestants?
Saenuri is the party publicly engaged in ideological warfare, and their main support base is the Korean Protestants . Conversely, Korean Protestant church is involved in these ideological warfares in many ways ( http://www.asian-studies.org/eaa/Clark-Korea.pdf , http://www.scribd.com/doc/63834534/K...Anti-Communism , http://wwrn.org/articles/16160/?&pla...th-south-korea )

Also

from http://www.koreabang.com/2012/storie...istianity.html

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This has caused tension in recent times, especially between the Christian and Buddhist communities as Buddhists have felt that current president Lee Myung-bak’s very public Christianity has left them unfairly victimised at times. Now, university students (traditionally at the heart of a lot of social change and protest in Korea) have started to respond by setting up “Atheist Clubs” at top Korean universities to try and curb some of the ever-growing evangelicalism in the South.
Many Korean Protestant church leader supports views that is strongly against those who support Progressive ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism ) views. There is a great deal of tension between progressives and Korean Protestant church leaders, and this is one of the underlying fuel for that muddy ideological warfare.
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Old 2012-06-10, 09:37   Link #21870
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Just in....

Shingo Minamino, music producer for Nitro+ music including work on Steins;Gate, was stabbed to death in Osaka.
In broad daylight, as concert he was attending as staff was taking place, Minamino was stabbed repeatedly by a man with a knife on a road nearby.

The suspect, who admitted to the crime, was a man who was released from jail in Tochigi prefecture just last month, and simply stated he wanted to stab someone, anyone.

Just sheer bad luck... hate seeing life of someone talented just taken away by unreasonable cruelty.
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Old 2012-06-10, 19:36   Link #21871
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I have presented this article as an anecdotal evidence of continued influence of Christian faction in Korean Government
Incorrect. It's a mostly conservative initiative that has mass support across the spectrum which comes from the Neo-Confucianist values ingrained into Korean society during the 512 years of the Joseon dynasty. Furthermore, people like myself (Shintoist) agree with upping the age to 18.


Furthermore, almost everything you label as being under the influence of Korean Christians are actually just under an overall conservative movement, which cuts through mere religion and is based on social conservatism. You're mixing up only a part of the whole as being the whole.



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Just in....

Shingo Minamino, music producer for Nitro+ music including work on Steins;Gate, was stabbed to death in Osaka.
NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Damn this unfair world, just damn it.

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Old 2012-06-10, 21:39   Link #21872
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8570ZW20120608
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Old 2012-06-10, 21:40   Link #21873
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Damn this unfair world, just damn it.
I also have to question Tochigi prefecture prison's phychiatric evaluaion.
The man was clearly deranged, and was not ready to be let go from the prison....

Mr Minamino, and a random passing by elderly woman were stabbed to death.
A witness reports the incident:

He saw Mr Minamino pinned down on the road, at first he thought the suspect was punching him, and started to approach them.
Then he saw that the suspect was stabbing Mr Minamino with a knife, and as the suspect got up and started walking towards the witness with a bloody knife in his hand, the witness ran.
As he ran, he saw the elderly woman on a bicycle coming near them, but before he could tell her to run, the suspect grabbed the woman and repeatedly stabbed her too...
Then the suspect walked back to Mr Minamino, who was crying out for help, and resumed stabbing.

This all happened in broad daylight, around lunch time, with multiple witness on the road. Insane...


In an unrelated news, I dunno if it's been brought up here yet, but another officer of the Aum cult terrorist attack 17 years ago has been caught.
Second one this year, I think there's only one left still on the run.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/in...osition=recent

She..... looks completely different than she did back then, almost completely unrecognizable.
Pictures of of the last remaining suspect has been released, taken at a bank, and he looks completely different too.
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/i...7/57f402aa.jpg
Right is what he looked like at the time of the attack, left is current.

No wonder these guys got away for 17 long years, while living in broad daylight in Japan, while their faces were on wanted pictures all over the nation....
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Old 2012-06-10, 21:58   Link #21874
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The man was clearly deranged, and was not ready to be let go from the prison....
A man that once worked as a guard at a prision told me once that one inmate said that once he became free he would do anything to get into prision again. Seems this guy fits the description, he is not insane and has completed his prision term so authorities could not retain him any longer, he will probably will get life on prision for this, which was his plan all along.
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Old 2012-06-10, 22:05   Link #21875
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I also have to question Tochigi prefecture prison's phychiatric evaluaion.
The man was clearly deranged, and was not ready to be let go from the prison....
Leaves me wondering if the evaluation committee came from the same school of shrinks who (in the 60s) found a Japanese cannibalism suspect to have no proof of insanity and thus set free (and to this day, without blinking an eye, talks at length about eating parts of a French girlfriend).

Condolences to Minamino's family.

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As for my country.... Let's just say yesterday was a Sunday of Infamy for boxing: Pacquiao lost his title to Bradley.
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Old 2012-06-11, 00:38   Link #21876
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Leaves me wondering if the evaluation committee came from the same school of shrinks who (in the 60s) found a Japanese cannibalism suspect to have no proof of insanity and thus set free (and to this day, without blinking an eye, talks at length about eating parts of a French girlfriend).
I read about the case a year or so ago. Really chilling. I don't see why they could'nt just lock him up, retarded legal system...
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Old 2012-06-11, 03:53   Link #21877
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Governor of Osaka is getting some heat, he publically stated "Murderer. If you want to die so badly, why not go kill yourself. Don't involve others." to the killer's intenions.
A lot of people are flaming him for being inappropriate and insensitive, but to hell with em.

I agree with the man.
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Old 2012-06-11, 06:18   Link #21878
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It's probably something than you shouldn't say in public, but I also agree with him.
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Old 2012-06-11, 07:15   Link #21879
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Governor of Osaka is getting some heat, he publically stated "Murderer. If you want to die so badly, why not go kill yourself. Don't involve others." to the killer's intenions.
A lot of people are flaming him for being inappropriate and insensitive, but to hell with em.

I agree with the man.
Wait.... he took someone *else's* life and a "lot of people are flaming" the Mayor for calling him a worthless jerk? Sorry, I know the Osaka mayor is apt to say bizarre stuff but on this one he's right on target.
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Old 2012-06-11, 07:31   Link #21880
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Wait.... he took someone *else's* life and a "lot of people are flaming" the Mayor for calling him a worthless jerk? Sorry, I know the Osaka mayor is apt to say bizarre stuff but on this one he's right on target.
No, not Mayor Hashimoto of Osaka city.
The governor, Gov. Matsui of Osaka prefecture.

As big a difference as Mayor of Dallas and Governor of Texas.

EDIT: oops, mistake. The suspect was released from jail in Niigata, not Tochigi. Tochigi is where the man was from originally.
Sounds like he's been around.
EDIT2: And... apparently he was a leader of a biker gang in Tochigi in his youth.
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