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Shadow5YA · 2012-06-11, 10:19

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Originally Posted by ellifeedn

Next thing you know, Shou will come back.

Well... Jihan never died on panel, and an avalanche isn't even a guaranteed death in real life.

Shou on the other head, was clearly shown dead, corpse and all.

Qilin · 2012-06-11, 10:25

Nothing quite like a good deus ex machina to conclude this lengthy arc.

DarkRaven · 2012-06-11, 14:29

well after this we can finally go back to kenichi training, going to school and fighting YOMI oh but wait official members of yomi only 3 remain active Kajima, chikage and tanimoto natsu considering that rachel is under house arrest and the other 3 disciples of Ogata kensei are not official members of yomi yet ..

Excelion · 2012-06-11, 17:11

We're definitely due for another disciple fight, in which case Ogata would be the angle to take. That or bring the other One Shadow, Nine Fists back and start the Eternal Setting Sun event that's been mentioned for a long time now. I imagine it'll just be a big war arc like Naruto and Reborn have sort of done lately with bringing everybody back. It's really just a matter of how much longer he wants to keep the manga going. It's had a good long run so far at 477 chapters.

Awrya · 2012-06-11, 17:35

Bring a character back that has been 'dead' for ~300 chapters, while it was surprising I just asked myself, why? The next chapter will probably be about how he was rescued and how he turned from Satsujinken to Katsujinken

Azure-Priest · 2012-06-11, 20:52

Or worse, we find out that Jenazad is actually still alive too. If you look closely, on page 5, panel 3, there's a figure that looks mighty suspicious. Even has a form similar to Jenazad.

Qilin · 2012-06-12, 00:47

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Originally Posted by Azure-Priest

Or worse, we find out that Jenazad is actually still alive too. If you look closely, on page 5, panel 3, there's a figure that looks mighty suspicious. Even has a form similar to Jenazad.

Aren't you talking about Jenazad's corpse?

He died standing up from what I understand.

Alhazad2003 · 2012-06-12, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Excelion

We're definitely due for another disciple fight, in which case Ogata would be the angle to take. That or bring the other One Shadow, Nine Fists back and start the Eternal Setting Sun event that's been mentioned for a long time now. I imagine it'll just be a big war arc like Naruto and Reborn have sort of done lately with bringing everybody back. It's really just a matter of how much longer he wants to keep the manga going. It's had a good long run so far at 477 chapters.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Eternal Sunset was coming after this arc. OSNF is barely at half-strength now, they're losing the war against Ryozanpaku. If they don't strike back, they're gonna all be pwned within the next couple of years or so, especially with the current writing of the story. Geez, the manga needs help, badly. It's becoming far too cliché as of late. Hopefully it improves soon, it needs to.

Merilyn Mensola · 2012-06-12, 03:24

^mmm..i like your speculation..

but i think that Kenichi need training, before the Eternal Sunset start..

Kenichi just started to see Master movements, and like i mentioned, Kajima for me is like a Master...So we need to see the elder training..the final training..

I hope for this..i hope that the Elder teach Kenichi everything..

JAGI_X · 2012-06-12, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Merilyn Mensola

^mmm..i like your speculation..

but i think that Kenichi need training, before the Eternal Sunset start..

Kenichi just started to see Master movements, and like i mentioned, Kajima for me is like a Master...So we need to see the elder training..the final training..

I hope for this..i hope that the Elder teach Kenichi everything..

I agree with you Kenichi need's the Elder to teach him everything.

Franckie · 2012-06-12, 15:49

This is one of the worse chapters I've seen in quite a long time. Not suprirsed, however. This arc in general has been pretty bad as far as pacing and revelence to the main storyline. Nothing significant has happened besides Saiga being introduced. Afterwards everything will magically return to the status-quo.

Oh. Right. There is Mikumo's involvement that needs addressed too since she instigated this entire arc with her chit-chat with Jenazard.

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Well... Jihan never died on panel, and an avalanche isn't even a guaranteed death in real life.

Shou on the other head, was clearly shown dead, corpse and all.

The avalanche hit Jihan head-on after he had suffered some major damage from his fight with Kenichi. Jenazard expected the avalanche to kill his disciple, and it was stated repeatedly afterwards that Jihan died. He was dead until this chapter. Jihan coming back in the manner he did is bad writing and a blatant example of deus ex machina.

Regarding Shou, nothing says he can't receive the Jihan treatment. Yes, we saw him take his last breath (we haven't seen his corpse afterwards); yes, its been repeatedly stated he's dead. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that if the author wants to bring him back, he will.

Endscape · 2012-06-12, 15:52

I must be one of the few people that actually liked this chapter. While not very interesting or informative, I liked seeing Jihan again, if only because I didn't expect it. I'm looking forward to next week.

Merilyn Mensola · 2012-06-15, 06:23

Spoiler for 478

Spoiler:

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2012-06-15, 13:05

The last page of 478:

Spoiler for 478:

Oh, and I sorta like this part from the Elder this chapter (not like the theme hasn't been brought up before though):

Spoiler for words:

Shadow5YA · 2012-06-15, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Franckie

The avalanche hit Jihan head-on after he had suffered some major damage from his fight with Kenichi. Jenazard expected the avalanche to kill his disciple, and it was stated repeatedly afterwards that Jihan died. He was dead until this chapter. Jihan coming back in the manner he did is bad writing and a blatant example of deus ex machina.

Regarding Shou, nothing says he can't receive the Jihan treatment. Yes, we saw him take his last breath (we haven't seen his corpse afterwards); yes, its been repeatedly stated he's dead. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that if the author wants to bring him back, he will.

I'm not denying that it's an asspull, but it's a very common asspull in shonen that people can see coming. In a shonen manga, If you don't see the corpse on screen/panel, the person is not guaranteed to be dead.

It may just be sophistry and semantics, but Jihan's death is not on the same level as Shou's.

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I'm not denying that it's an asspull, but it's a very common asspull in shonen that people can see coming. In a shonen manga, If you don't see the corpse on screen/panel, the person is not guaranteed to be dead.

It may just be sophistry and semantics, but Jihan's death is not on the same level as Shou's.

Even then you'll probably only be sure if it's either a severed head or he's in the autopsy room being cut open xD
Shounen manga are so loose sometimes...

For example, it wouldn't surprise me if Shou suddenly showed up revealing that he actually survived for some stupid reason. Or taking a page out of The Breaker, that he's currently in a tank somewhere in a near death state and slowly healing up...

So unless a character has a giant hole filled with manga in his body...there's still the probability of coming back to life...magically...

Alhazad2003 · 2012-06-15, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Merilyn Mensola

Spoiler for 478

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

The last page of 478:

Spoiler for 478:

Oh, and I sorta like this part from the Elder this chapter (not like the theme hasn't been brought up before though):

Spoiler for words:

Spoiler:

Chapter 478 is out

Man, to think Jihan would learn humility, I guess being buried in an avalanche will do that to a man, even a king. And I wouldn't worry if I were Hongo, Jihan has no intention of avenging his warped master.

And man, Saiga, his last look at Kenichi, best part of the whole chapter. They will meet again, it's inevitable.

But poor Miu, looks like there'll be quite a few relapses before she's completely cured. Fine by me, much more realistic that way. And it'll probably be very comical, considering this manga. Until then...

ShiroiRyu · 2012-06-16, 06:21

The last pages were really good.
But we are not even near the end ...

Vigo · 2012-06-16, 07:48

The part where Jihan bowed and bid his farewell to Jenazad was really awesome and also kinda sad. I pity Jenazad. He had someone who looked up so much to him and even viewed him as a father. But Jenazad was so wraped that he didn't saw his desciple as anything more than a tool and discarded him when he saw him as useless.

Merilyn Mensola · 2012-06-16, 08:51

Wow..the chapter was really good..

The Elder..it was awesome when thanked Kenichi..with the tears on him eyes..i think was the first time we see the Elder like this..

And Jihan words for the Demon..

So, the Elder know...and want Kenichi keep it a secret from Miu..man..i want to know..i want to know what happened between Saiga and Miu mother...i still think that in the end, Saiga didn't kill her...i want to know damn!

i wonder how Miu would react about this..abot her father...

Interesting, i hope the elder is going to have a talk about Saiga with Kenichi..and i hope that the final training start soon...the training with the Elder would be awesome...

So in the end Saiga greeted Kenichi...for protecting Miu..

Is strange, is obvious that Saiga love Miu..and don't want her to become Satsujin Ken..the fact that Saiga don't take her with him is it..so, what the hell happened with Miu mother??i can't believe Saiga killed her...

2012-06-11, 10:25	Link #5142
Qilin Relativist Join Date: Aug 2009	Nothing quite like a good deus ex machina to conclude this lengthy arc. __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-06-11, 17:35	Link #5145
Awrya Are you serious? Join Date: Apr 2012	Bring a character back that has been 'dead' for ~300 chapters, while it was surprising I just asked myself, why? The next chapter will probably be about how he was rescued and how he turned from Satsujinken to Katsujinken __________________

2012-06-12, 03:24	Link #5149
Merilyn Mensola I am a Boxer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Where hot girls are fighting!	^mmm..i like your speculation.. but i think that Kenichi need training, before the Eternal Sunset start.. Kenichi just started to see Master movements, and like i mentioned, Kajima for me is like a Master...So we need to see the elder training..the final training.. I hope for this..i hope that the Elder teach Kenichi everything.. __________________

2012-06-12, 15:52	Link #5152
Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 22	I must be one of the few people that actually liked this chapter. While not very interesting or informative, I liked seeing Jihan again, if only because I didn't expect it. I'm looking forward to next week. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

2012-06-15, 06:23	Link #5153
Merilyn Mensola I am a Boxer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Where hot girls are fighting!	Spoiler for 478 Spoiler: I think the chapter look like Epic...The Elder first thanked Kenichi for save Miu(the Elder is crying), after is like he did something to Miu... So, The Elder Know about Saiga...not sure if the Elder know more about the story between Saiga and Miu mother and what happened...but probably him and Kenichi are going to have a talk.. Edit. Saiga greeted Kenichi?? Interesting chapter. __________________ Last edited by Merilyn Mensola; 2012-06-15 at 06:41.

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DarkRaven GOD Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Amegakure	well after this we can finally go back to kenichi training, going to school and fighting YOMI oh but wait official members of yomi only 3 remain active Kajima, chikage and tanimoto natsu considering that rachel is under house arrest and the other 3 disciples of Ogata kensei are not official members of yomi yet ..

2012-06-11, 17:11	Link #5144
Excelion Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	We're definitely due for another disciple fight, in which case Ogata would be the angle to take. That or bring the other One Shadow, Nine Fists back and start the Eternal Setting Sun event that's been mentioned for a long time now. I imagine it'll just be a big war arc like Naruto and Reborn have sort of done lately with bringing everybody back. It's really just a matter of how much longer he wants to keep the manga going. It's had a good long run so far at 477 chapters.

2012-06-11, 20:52	Link #5146
Azure-Priest Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Or worse, we find out that Jenazad is actually still alive too. If you look closely, on page 5, panel 3, there's a figure that looks mighty suspicious. Even has a form similar to Jenazad.

2012-06-15, 13:05	Link #5154
DarkLordOfkichiku Senior Member Join Date: May 2008	The last page of 478: Spoiler for 478: Kenichi: Elder, I meet a certain person. Elder: I'm sorry, Kenichi-kun. Elder: Could you... Elder: Keep this from Miu for the time being? Elder: Please. Oh, and I sorta like this part from the Elder this chapter (not like the theme hasn't been brought up before though): Spoiler for words: Elder: The Master teaches the disciple and the disciple teaches the master... Elder: Jenazard... It looks like you didn't learn anything from your disciple...

2012-06-16, 06:21	Link #5158
ShiroiRyu Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: France Age: 25	The last pages were really good. But we are not even near the end ... __________________

2012-06-16, 07:48	Link #5159
Vigo too lazy to post Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 23	The part where Jihan bowed and bid his farewell to Jenazad was really awesome and also kinda sad. I pity Jenazad. He had someone who looked up so much to him and even viewed him as a father. But Jenazad was so wraped that he didn't saw his desciple as anything more than a tool and discarded him when he saw him as useless.

2012-06-16, 08:51	Link #5160
Merilyn Mensola I am a Boxer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Where hot girls are fighting!	Wow..the chapter was really good.. The Elder..it was awesome when thanked Kenichi..with the tears on him eyes..i think was the first time we see the Elder like this.. And Jihan words for the Demon.. So, the Elder know...and want Kenichi keep it a secret from Miu..man..i want to know..i want to know what happened between Saiga and Miu mother...i still think that in the end, Saiga didn't kill her...i want to know damn! i wonder how Miu would react about this..abot her father... Interesting, i hope the elder is going to have a talk about Saiga with Kenichi..and i hope that the final training start soon...the training with the Elder would be awesome... So in the end Saiga greeted Kenichi...for protecting Miu.. Is strange, is obvious that Saiga love Miu..and don't want her to become Satsujin Ken..the fact that Saiga don't take her with him is it..so, what the hell happened with Miu mother??i can't believe Saiga killed her... __________________