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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 95 67.38%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 33 23.40%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 8 5.67%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 2.13%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 0.71%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.71%
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Old 2012-06-12, 14:14   Link #201
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Actually, Gilgamesh can beat Arcueid. Word of God.
He's stronger then 30% Arc, not 100%.
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Old 2012-06-12, 14:38   Link #202
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Re> But spaceship: Gilgamesh isn't moving. The Vimana is. He's the one who has to remain still.

Re> But in UBW: Going into spoiler territory there and, once again (without spoiling anything), nothing there indicates he can fire the swords while he moves. He's pulling them out in those specific scenes he moves.

Read Fate/Prototype Complete Material, where it states that unlike normal Gilgamesh, Prototype Gil's Gate of Babylon can be activated while he moves. Nasu wrote that CM.

Argue with Word of God.
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Old 2012-06-12, 14:47   Link #203
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Yep; that's what I was getting at. While being hit multiple times in several vital areas would have resulted in his death, regardless of whether he had managed to hit Gil or not, the manner in which the anime did it made it seem as if he actually had a high chance of getting out of the situation alive, which made it all the more poignant, for me.
Light Novel: To his worthy opponent, whose entire body was skewered from head to toe by the rain of Noble Phantasms, yet who did not stop until thwarted by the Chain of Heaven, the King of Heroes gave his greatest reward - he honored him with true feelings of admiration.

Anime: Hit with two Noble Phantasms and wasn't hit by the rest.


Yeah... it reduced the impact of the battle.
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Old 2012-06-12, 14:53   Link #204
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Read Fate/Prototype Complete Material, where it states that unlike normal Gilgamesh, Prototype Gil's Gate of Babylon can be activated while he moves. Nasu wrote that CM.

Argue with Word of God.
That wasn't Prototype material from Nasu. It was the comments of the TRANSLATOR. We've been over this in the Beast's Lair.


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Re> But in UBW: Going into spoiler territory there and, once again (without spoiling anything), nothing there indicates he can fire the swords while he moves. He's pulling them out in those specific scenes he moves.
If you read the visual novel, you'll notice that not only are they pulling out swords at each other, but there's a continuous rain of swords being fired endlessly all around them.

Again, there's no indication ever that Gilgamesh can't move and use GoB at the same time.


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Re> But spaceship: Gilgamesh isn't moving. The Vimana is. He's the one who has to remain still.
Words fail me here. If Gilgamesh took a leap, if you're right, then he can't use GoB while doing the initial springing motion but while he's soaring through the air he can then fire GoB then?
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Old 2012-06-12, 14:58   Link #205
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Light Novel: To his worthy opponent, whose entire body was skewered from head to toe by the rain of Noble Phantasms, yet who did not stop until thwarted by the Chain of Heaven, the King of Heroes gave his greatest reward - he honored him with true feelings of admiration.

Anime: Hit with two Noble Phantasms and wasn't hit by the rest.


Yeah... it reduced the impact of the battle.
To be fair, it would look a bit comical if he was still going despite having a sword through his head...
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Old 2012-06-12, 15:02   Link #206
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To be fair, it would look a bit comical if he was still going despite having a sword through his head...
it's only a scratch.
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Old 2012-06-12, 15:21   Link #207
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it's only a scratch.

That quote suits Lancelot more. (The Black Knight)


As for Gil and moving or not moving while using Gates of Babylon. The implied suggestion is that he cannot move relative to the Gate with firing. but if he's on a moving item (and he always is since the planet is moving) the gate and himself are not moving relative to the object he is "standing on".

No it doesn't make sense...but then when do things make sense in Nasu's universe?
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Old 2012-06-12, 15:29   Link #208
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IIRC, the Prototype Gil's GoB moved with him too so that doesn't mean much =/
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Old 2012-06-12, 19:50   Link #209
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His jogging was unintentionally hilarious like Kotomine's. It almost killed the solemn mood of the scene.

Going to post it in case people want to read it. Because it was really beautiful (but clearly difficult to portray):

Spoiler for Fate/Zero Novel Rider's charge:
I agree with you entirely on this. For me, the most emotional part was when he charged with his army, along with the perfect music for the scene. Don't get me wrong, I loved the episode, but I prefer the novel version of his final charge. It just looked sorta goofy in the anime.

I don't think any death in this series has hit me as hard as Lancer's, though. It may not have even been the saddest at this point, but I quite literally had NO IDEA what I was getting into until that episode. It was at that point where I realized, 'oh dear, this war is going to be brutal,' and not like the comparatively light-hearted FSN. Of course, following that episode I had to go read the novel and spoil myself.
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Old 2012-06-12, 19:53   Link #210
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so Alexander The Great know no Military tactics other than Banzai? did he learn that from the japanese?
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Old 2012-06-12, 19:56   Link #211
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so Alexander The Great know no Military tactics other than banzai? did he learn that from the japanese?
what tactics can you used against Gil?
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Old 2012-06-12, 19:57   Link #212
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How does one flank the Gate of Babylon?
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Old 2012-06-12, 20:08   Link #213
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what tactics can you used against Gil?
he pretty much banzai against any of his enemy here: Berserker, Caster's Monster (when attack Caster's Base), Assassins (this one need no tatics anyway), Saber and Gil. never once did he seem to use any of the tatics that make him famous to this day
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so Alexander The Great know no Military tactics other than Banzai charge? did he learn that from the japanese?
Spoiler for Iskandar:
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Old 2012-06-12, 23:04   Link #215
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I think only Berserker (FZ version) is capable of defeating Gilgamesh one on one
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Old 2012-06-13, 03:06   Link #216
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What this comparison of my favorite vampire "Arcueid" and Gil?

Can anyone PM me or post more info about Arcueid and high tier powers?
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Old 2012-06-13, 06:45   Link #217
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I think only Berserker (FZ version) is capable of defeating Gilgamesh one on one
I think he should grab Gil and use him as a blunt weapon. xD
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Old 2012-06-13, 07:18   Link #218
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he pretty much banzai against any of his enemy here: Berserker, Caster's Monster (when attack Caster's Base), Assassins (this one need no tatics anyway), Saber and Gil. never once did he seem to use any of the tatics that make him famous to this day
Tactics serve to make the difference between foes of relatively similar strength. Rider doesn't need tactics to defeat Caster, Assassin, or a distracted Berserker. He explicitly attacked Saber the way he did because he wanted to prove that his way of kingship really was stronger than Saber's ideals in a pure contest of strength. And Gilgamesh is too powerful to even think about tactics, as you're not beating a serious Gil.

Don't forget, Rider's the guy who actually came up with the idea of trapping Caster's monster in his Reality Marble while Saber and Lancer just futilely hacked away and refused to think about losing Gae Buidhe because of LOL CHIVALRY.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:32   Link #219
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What this comparison of my favorite vampire "Arcueid" and Gil?

Can anyone PM me or post more info about Arcueid and high tier powers?
For some reason I don't like the way you said that.

100% Arcuied is one of the strongest characters in the Nasuverse. She is immortal and has no concept of death.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:36   Link #220
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For some reason I don't like the way you said that.

100% Arcuied is one of the strongest characters in the Nasuverse. She is immortal and has no concept of death.
I think the other "types" are stronger than 100% Arc though.
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