AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Current Series > Fate/ Series

Notices

View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 24 Rating
Perfect 10 62 48.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 36 28.35%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 14 11.02%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 3.15%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 2.36%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 3 2.36%
4 out of 10 : Poor 3 2.36%
3 out of 10 : Bad 2 1.57%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2012-06-17, 01:35   Link #121
karuroso
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanon View Post

Kotomine and Kiritsugu's battle, on the other hand, did not disappoint one bit. Kotomine was overwhelming. He could even keep up with Kiri's triple acceleration. If not for Avalon enabling him to go beyond his limits (and saving him from a mortal blow), Kiritsugu would have undoubtedly lost. And even then, he only won because he woke up first. He was no match for him. What a monster Kotomine was!
To me they seemed to be at the same level, don't forget that Kirei was using an arm full of command spells as source of mana hence he would have lost in the first shot if wasn't for this, very haxor just like Avalon
karuroso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:39   Link #122
rpgman1
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
Age: 34
Watching this episode reminds me of watching a sci-fi movie like the Matrix and inducing mind-numbing craziness in them. Berserker vs. Saber felt very rushed and when he finally kicked the bucket, there wasn't much meaning in the battle. Kiritsugu vs. Kirei looked like a modern Hong Kong action movie with cheesy special effects in place. It was well done, but it looked like a battle between 2 superhumans.

The part with the Grail was a brain shock for Kiritsugu and he realized what it really was. Of course, there comes ol' Gilgamesh proposing to Saber with his glorious presence, then Kiritsugu crashed their wedding using his last 2 Command Seals to destroy the Holy Grail. Looks like there won't be much for the next episode anyway.
rpgman1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:44   Link #123
LunarMoon
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post
Watching this episode reminds me of watching a sci-fi movie like the Matrix and inducing mind-numbing craziness in them. Berserker vs. Saber felt very rushed and when he finally kicked the bucket, there wasn't much meaning in the battle. Kiritsugu vs. Kirei looked like a modern Hong Kong action movie with cheesy special effects in place. It was well done, but it looked like a battle between 2 superhumans.
Kirei and Kiritsugu are two superhumans. Both of them are wizards...well, magi.
__________________
To consume all good forms of Japanimation,
To stream new productions from NicoNico's Station,
To judge the legitimacy between Subs and Dubs,
To await an anime for the VN Muv-Luv,
Lunar.Moon.
Downloading from Hulu at the speed of light,
To remain within the bounds of copyrights!
http://myanimelist.net/profile/LunarMoon
LunarMoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:50   Link #124
Kimidori
Let's Play
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Age: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
Those Black keys were meant to restrict Kiritsugu's movement so he couldn't dodge and fire at the same time, so he had to shoot Kirei before his brains go punched out. Putting myself into an anime viewer shoes, all i could think was that either he missed, or that they were going to curve or something (the screen flip helped). And yes, it's clear that the fight wouldn't end well before they were interrupted, but the point was that it was supposed to end right then and there if the grail hadn't fallen on them.

no, you are not putting yourself in us anime-only viewer shoes. the only people i see upset about this episode probably you LN reader, to us anime-only viewer, the episode was amazing. and about that scene, i could also see that there hardly anyway kiritsugu could escape that, 4 blade on his left and right with kirei in front of him, i can see he can neither dodge back or dodge left or right. and anime don't HAVE to stay true to the original to word to word, enjoy the anime the way it is, it don't have to be extracly like the LN to be good. not faithful word to word doesn't mean bad

Quote:
Originally Posted by creb View Post
As an anime-only viewer, I thought it was another great episode. Even if I was a manga reader, I always try to let an anime adaption stand on its own. Frankly, I find it insulting over the last 20 some episodes how often people would whine ostensibly on 'behalf' of us poor anime-only viewers because we 'obviously' wouldn't understand what's going on, as a deflection for whatever hair-brained insinuated fault a person personally had with the show. I can't speak for all anime-only viewers, but I really don't need you manga-readers to be my knight-in-shining armor. You don't like the way the anime did something? Fine, but don't drag us anime-only-viewers into your issues. I've yet to see a single one of these so-called offenses to us anime-only viewers actually matter, as an anime-only viewer. Whew. Did I say anime-only viewer enough times?
__________________
Kimidori is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:52   Link #125
Lumir
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 27
Best parts of this ep were kiritsugu vs kirei and Gils crazed ideals and proposal to saber. Everything else felt... like fluff.
__________________
Lumir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:57   Link #126
whatbob1
huh
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Non novel readers will probably love this episode, novel readers will be disappointed / hate this episode. You can check other type moon forums such as BL, where pretty much everyone there hated this episode.

And I know people keep saying oh the blu-ray will extend this episode and it'll be all fixed. Well they wouldn't even need to extend a episode if their pacing for season 2 wasn't all over the place, imo.

Quote:
To me they seemed to be at the same level, don't forget that Kirei was using an arm full of command spells as source of mana hence he would have lost in the first shot if wasn't for this, very haxor just like Avalon
Kotomine is clearly stronger. UFOtable had to nerf him and make him try to bitch slap a bullet, instead of like in the novel where he falcon punches it. Come on UFOtable .
whatbob1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 01:58   Link #127
U<3Anime
Boo!
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
I don't understand why people are saying this was a good episode...it really wasn't. I suppose the "important" part of it was done well, which was the Kiritsugu inside the grail but everything else? Kirei vs Kiritsugu, Saber vs Lancelot, Gilgamesh and saber, the last command spell...ugh.

First, the fight between Kiritsugu and Kirei was too cheesy for my tastes. As soon as Kirei bust out his martial arts stances and did those fancy prep moves i was like "oh no". That, the comical Kirei knife blocking, and the random back flip i saw somewhere did not make me an amused viewer. And why'd they change the location to Bruce Wayne's storehouse?

The thing that really got me about that fight though, was the lack of tension. Kiritsugu pushing his limits with the help of Avalon, using double accel for extended periods, then triple and square..i saw none of that. I don't know if it was because of the voice acting or the portrayal, i simply just didn't feel it. Also, Kirei throwing those black key's at the end made no sense whatsoever. Yeah, i'm a novel reader so i know what he was doing, but to an anime only person, it would make them think "why?". I'm surprised nobody's commented on that. Another let down was the "end"to their fight. It was supposed to be a life or death situation where they either kill the other or die in that split second, but to me it just felt like another part of their weirdly natural fight before they were interrupted.

I'm going to take it for granted that the Saber and Lancelot fight will be extended in the BD's, including flashbacks and all, so i'll withhold judgement for now.

Finally, Kiritsugu using two command spells looked like he did it for the lulz. It didn't show Saber using her magical resistance to fight it or anything. Sure, people would figure it out eventually, but to me it was just another badly portrayed scene. And Gilgamesh noticing Kiritsugu felt like he had known he was there all along, but just didn't do anything about it.

Yeah, i'm really ripping this episode apart, but i was seriously disappointed
Certain parts of it was cool, but I wasn't feeling the tension from the fight overall either. What really killed it for me is how it boiled down to, talk, fight, talk, fight like how a regular shounen jump battle would be like. I think that really killed the flow of the fight for me as I was expecting one long badass action sequence from those two.
__________________
omg Ku-chan!
U<3Anime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:01   Link #128
Clarste
Human
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
Those were all shown after the second command spell was used. My complaint was that they didn't show something like that after the first was used, so we didn't know why he had to use the second.
He used it because she hadn't destroyed the grail yet. It's supposed to happen quickly before she even realizes what's going on, like when she teleported, not slowly and puppet-like. The fact that she wasn't putting all her effort into destroying it shows that she's resisting.
Clarste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:04   Link #129
Horse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
I don't understand why people are saying this was a good episode...it really wasn't.
Welcome to ASuki. I second that but I already got my ass whopped the last time I said some episode was shitty so I just stopped commenting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
I suppose the "important" part of it was done well, which was the Kiritsugu inside the grail but everything else?
Except I don't agree here - it was not well done at all. It was uninspired. If they wanted to go for a trippy confusion in Evangelion-land they should've gotten Gainax, Shinbo or watched some Satoshi Kon (rest in peace).

Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
First, the fight between Kiritsugu and Kirei was too cheesy for my tastes.
Especially for an animu everyone advertises as "adult" and "serious business", huh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
was the lack of tension.
The whole Fate/zero (sans 3 episodes) for me.
Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:05   Link #130
Vicious108
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by U<3Anime View Post
Certain parts of it was cool, but I wasn't feeling the tension from the fight overall either. What really killed it for me is how it boiled down to, talk, fight, talk, fight like how a regular shounen jump battle would be like. I think that really killed the flow of the fight for me as I was expecting one long badass action sequence from those two.
Um, what? That description would suit the Saber vs Lancer fight early on in the first season, but definitely not Kiritsugu vs Kirei. Those two didn't exchange a single word during their duel. Everything that was heard in that fight were internal monologues about their respective strategies.

That's part of the reason why it was so good. There was no need to exchange words, because the entire show had been building up to their confrontation already, and, even with them having never met each other before, they knew they were each other's greatest foes. Words were unnecessary between them.
Vicious108 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:07   Link #131
Ragna92
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Super rushed episode, however the fight between Kiritsugu and kotomine was awesome.

Gil FTW!
Ragna92 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:11   Link #132
SRanger
Remember, no moe.
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Illinois, California
Berserker was definitely rushed, and I'm disappointed about the archer vs saber fight being pretty anti-climatic,

but hot damn, I want to bear Kiritsugu's children. What an epic ass battle.
__________________
SRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:15   Link #133
Kimidori
Let's Play
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Age: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
First, the fight between Kiritsugu and Kirei was too cheesy for my tastes
are you impying that this scene in the LN was not? and if you were in charge of directing this fight, how less chessy will you do it? is there a way to animate this scene without making it cheesy? i heard from someone who read the novel that kirei was punching bullet and such, which was way more chessy than anything showed in the anime. and if it wasn't chessy, i bet you will say that the scene in the anime was nowhere as epic as in the LN.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post
Yeah, i'm a novel reader so i know what he was doing, but to an anime only person, it would make them think "why?". I'm surprised nobody's commented on that. Another let down was the "end"to their fight.
wow, are you reading anime-only viewer's mind?
as anime-only viewer myseft...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimidori View Post
i could also see that there hardly anyway kiritsugu could escape that, 4 blade on his left and right with kirei in front of him, i can see he can neither dodge back or dodge left or right. and anime don't HAVE to stay true to the original to word to word, enjoy the anime the way it is, it don't have to be extracly like the LN to be good. not faithful word to word doesn't mean bad
__________________
Kimidori is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 02:36   Link #134
jeroz
Art Block Specialist
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post
Kiritsugu vs. Kirei looked like a modern Hong Kong action movie with cheesy special effects in place. It was well done, but it looked like a battle between 2 superhumans.
not much of a surprise when Gen love those Martial Art heroes novels from Hong Kong :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by U<3Anime View Post
Certain parts of it was cool, but I wasn't feeling the tension from the fight overall either. What really killed it for me is how it boiled down to, talk, fight, talk, fight like how a regular shounen jump battle would be like. I think that really killed the flow of the fight for me as I was expecting one long badass action sequence from those two.
wrong thread bro, this is for episode 24, not episode 4
__________________
She's not Mary Sue, she's Hajime-su!
jeroz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 03:23   Link #135
Aesthetic Shampoo
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Age: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimidori View Post
and anime don't HAVE to stay true to the original to word to word, enjoy the anime the way it is, it don't have to be extracly like the LN to be good. not faithful word to word doesn't mean bad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimidori View Post
are you impying that this scene in the LN was not? and if you were in charge of directing this fight, how less chessy will you do it? is there a way to animate this scene without making it cheesy? i heard from someone who read the novel that kirei was punching bullet and such, which was way more chessy than anything showed in the anime. and if it wasn't chessy, i bet you will say that the scene in the anime was nowhere as epic as in the LN.
You need to stop putting words in my mouth. Of course the anime doesn't have to be exactly like the novel, but i didn't even mention anything about that, just that they could've handled some scenes better. And yeah, the novel fight wasn't cheesy. It was awe inspiring and thrilling. If i were in charge of directing though, we'd be discussing (arguing...whatever) what should have/could have been rather than what is here, so no. And of course the LN will be better even if it was less cheesy. Never heard the phrase "The book is always better"? It's a given they will be different, but just because it's not as good doesn't mean it can't be close.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimidori View Post
about that scene, i could also see that there hardly anyway kiritsugu could escape that, 4 blade on his left and right with kirei in front of him, i can see he can neither dodge back or dodge left or right
Why couldn't he dodge back? The keys were only to the left and right of him.
Aesthetic Shampoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 03:43   Link #136
U<3Anime
Boo!
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless Twilight View Post
Um, what? That description would suit the Saber vs Lancer fight early on in the first season, but definitely not Kiritsugu vs Kirei. Those two didn't exchange a single word during their duel. Everything that was heard in that fight were internal monologues about their respective strategies.

That's part of the reason why it was so good. There was no need to exchange words, because the entire show had been building up to their confrontation already, and, even with them having never met each other before, they knew they were each other's greatest foes. Words were unnecessary between them.

It's all the inner monologue for me. Definitely not as bad as the first fight between Sabre and Lancer though.
__________________
omg Ku-chan!
U<3Anime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 03:45   Link #137
ZeroSama
All Hail Lelouch!
*Author
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: In His Majesties Service.
Age: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eragon View Post
Grail-kun needs classes in algebra - that equation is so wrong
As long as theres 2 people in the world conflict is inevitable.
ZeroSama is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 04:02   Link #138
Clarste
Human
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 28
Doesn't even need conflict. They specifically used examples where the deaths would have been accidental.
Clarste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 04:16   Link #139
Tailong
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
So disappointing with this episode, i've never rated a Fate/Zero episode so low...
They cut Sabers fight entirely...Lancelot gets no backstory whatsoever, so you never really understand why he is so mad at Arturia, and why Saber has such a strong connection with him.
When Saber destroys the grail it felt rushed too, I didn't get the true emotions of what saber should actually feel right when Kiritsugu is using the last command seal.
This should have been spread in like 2 or 3 episodes, now I can only hope they extend this episode, like a lot! when bluray comes out.If they don't I recommend people go read those last few chapter of the novel, because you ll be missing quite a bit!
Tailong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-06-17, 04:23   Link #140
Raviel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by EssTEss View Post

Why couldn't he dodge back? The keys were only to the left and right of him.
Dodging/taking a step back would have hardly made a difference considering how Kirei had restricted Kiritsugu's movement to one direction and they seemed to be relatively equal in terms of speed, they would have clashed either way.

I just don't see how moving backwards would have helped Kiritsugu in that situation, his decision to line up the best shot he could so he could take out Kirei even a second sooner seems better since he had better range thanks to his Contender.
Raviel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.