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Old 2012-06-19, 11:14   Link #1381
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Old 2012-06-19, 11:26   Link #1382
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As great as that fight animation was (which is off the charts) I love the BGM Madhouse used - that very quiet, creepy string piece. I've never heard anything quite like it in anime, and it suited the scene perfectly.
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Old 2012-06-19, 11:31   Link #1383
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Raw strength increase, raw defense increase, raw speed increase increase and -not entirely unimportant- raw healing increase. Gon's arm healing in half the time? Not a coincidence. Taking it one step further, regeneration abilities would fall under enhancement.

Don't underestimate enhancers simply due to its preceived simplicity.
But I mean that it's simple to fight against someone like that. You don't need to try and figure out his skills if you know he is an enhancer. What I am saying is that there is much more variety on other types of Hatsu.
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Old 2012-06-19, 12:39   Link #1384
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As great as that fight animation was (which is off the charts) I love the BGM Madhouse used - that very quiet, creepy string piece. I've never heard anything quite like it in anime, and it suited the scene perfectly.
Yeah it really gave that fight that sense of nail biting tension. It was even better when they combined it with the next BGM.
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Old 2012-06-19, 12:44   Link #1385
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But I mean that it's simple to fight against someone like that. You don't need to try and figure out his skills if you know he is an enhancer. What I am saying is that there is much more variety on other types of Hatsu.
No it's not simple. Enhancer can "appear" simple but like all the style, how thye actually use their ability is important. Furthermore, it's not like your opponent will ever tell you what's his affinity.

In fact, fighting against an enhancer is usually the least simple of all, as he can no-sell a lot of other style's abilities by sheer base stats.
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Old 2012-06-19, 13:33   Link #1386
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Yeah it really gave that fight that sense of nail biting tension. It was even better when they combined it with the next BGM.
I must have watched those last five minutes 6 or 7 times (including rewinding as soon as the scene was over the first time, not even waiting for the episode to end) and I can't get over just how great it was. In terms of animation quality, BGM, fight choreography, direction... The highest praise I can give is that it's the best anime fight sequence I've seen since episode 3 of Seirei no Moribito.
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Old 2012-06-19, 13:58   Link #1387
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Gotta echo the sentiment about the exchange between Gon and Hisoka, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero for a moment there.
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Old 2012-06-19, 14:25   Link #1388
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Gotta echo the sentiment about the exchange between Gon and Hisoka, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero for a moment there.
Not me - I'll take a great hand-drawn fight over a great CGI one any time.
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Old 2012-06-19, 14:35   Link #1389
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He has the wildcard attribute as one of his closest ones along with Conjurer as the main one and Transmuter as another ally. So he can change his aura, duplicate it and do things that whatever the Specialist one can do.

The most dangerous would prob be landing as a Specialist with manipulator and conjurer.
The reason Kastro failed isn't just that he tried to use abilities far from his own affinity - it's that he tried to use several affinities at all. I suppose it's possible to make the composite approach work, especially if you're good at them, but it does make things more complicated.

And as pointed out, you're assuming that Specialist abilities are great for combat, and forgetting that how it's not just about what you have, but how you use it. Hisoka believes himself the strongest, and hasn't been proven wrong so far despite his hobby of picking fights with strong guys. Yet he only uses transformation.
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Old 2012-06-19, 14:43   Link #1390
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Anyone selling short the Enhancer class should wait until we actually see an experienced Nen user (i.e. not Gon) that belongs to it in action.
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Old 2012-06-19, 15:30   Link #1391
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And as pointed out, you're assuming that Specialist abilities are great for combat, and forgetting that how it's not just about what you have, but how you use it. Hisoka believes himself the strongest, and hasn't been proven wrong so far despite his hobby of picking fights with strong guys. Yet he only uses transformation.
Well, and Enhancement. Everyone uses that
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Old 2012-06-19, 16:08   Link #1392
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Not me - I'll take a great hand-drawn fight over a great CGI one any time.
I don't know man Karas fights look pretty damn good and that's pretty much all CGI but generally hand drawn allows for more fluidity and realism of movement then CGI when it comes to TV animation.

Also for a change I wanted to phrase the comparison in a way that most people will grasp even if its not the one I would have normally made.
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Old 2012-06-19, 16:59   Link #1393
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For fighting, enhancement is definitely the best kind of skill.

The others have to use their imagination and come up with an useful ability, and also use it intelligently in combat.
Granted, if they have a good plan they may be able to beat anyone, but in general they are more at risk in a fight.

Instead enhancers can fight more easily and safely.
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Old 2012-06-19, 17:11   Link #1394
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They become compatible when your primary is Specialist. So it all depends on what you do with your primary Hatsu.
Can become compatible. Emphasis there. Unlike the hatsu of other aura types, where you choose to mold your aura as you wish it, you can't determine what form your specialist hatsu will take. You're born with one, and that's that. If your specialist aura ability is to walk on water, then that's what you get. Nothing more. The rest you'll have to do with the other aura types.

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But I mean that it's simple to fight against someone like that. You don't need to try and figure out his skills if you know he is an enhancer. What I am saying is that there is much more variety on other types of Hatsu.
Only if you discard all intricacies of close combat altogether. Does the enemy focus on speed? Strength? Defense? Regeneration? What sort of martial arts does he use? Can I counter it? Do I even know what it is? Does he use weapons? What type? Do I know how to counter those? Do I even know what they are? What they do?

Don't let the simplicity of the one pure enhancer we've seen fool you. Enhancement is only as simple as the opponent you're fighting.
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Old 2012-06-19, 17:23   Link #1395
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Anyone selling short the Enhancer class should wait until we actually see an experienced Nen user (i.e. not Gon) that belongs to it in action.
Just pointing it out: I have seen the old series and read the manga.


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Only if you discard all intricacies of close combat altogether. Does the enemy focus on speed? Strength? Defense? Regeneration? What sort of martial arts does he use? Can I counter it? Do I even know what it is? Does he use weapons? What type? Do I know how to counter those? Do I even know what they are? What they do?

Don't let the simplicity of the one pure enhancer we've seen fool you. Enhancement is only as simple as the opponent you're fighting.
No matter how good an Enhancer is, it may be lose depending on the opponent's ability. An good example is on the York Shin arc. I do take back what I said though. Enhancers are not simple, but they are easier to understand than any other types of Hatsu.

I won't comment anymore on this matter though, since I would have to use examples of different types of Hatsu that appear later on to do it.
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Old 2012-06-19, 17:58   Link #1396
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I am aware of your examples and I maintain my stance, especially in the face of later examples.

Of course being an enhancer is not a guaranteed win, but saying that makes them simple to figure out is horribly oversimplifying the potential of enhancement. And frankly, you can do that simplification to almost any type bar specialists.

Emitters? Oh, they're going to attack from range.

Manipulators? Oh, they're going to manipulate something in the area.

Conjurers? Oh, they're going to create something to attack me with.

Transmuters are the only of the five who is hard to simplify, since their 'change he properties of your aura' is rather undefined by its nature. However, since theirs is a type the second-furthest removed from emission, you can bet it's going to be something close to mid-range tops.
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Old 2012-06-19, 18:39   Link #1397
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I started to like Kurapika after next arc. He become much stronger and more interesting despite being emo. He has the qualities that Sasuke never did and never will have.
The thing is, Kurapika's 1999 series portrayal during the next arc (emo) is different from the manga. If MH remains faithful to the source material, you will be surprised on how very much NOT emo he was.

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I found it kind of strange that Specialist is "in the hexagon" at all, given it's the "none of the above" category. I guess this system is designed to allow for villains to have really weird powers while discouraging (especially) Gon from doing the same. Of course, "hard" doesn't exactly mean "impossible"...
Because even if the Specialist class - the "none of the above" category as you put it - they're still restricted (the most, perhaps) when using that ability. You will know why as the story progresses.

If the Specialist class is "outside the hexagon" (nen system), this will make them the overpowered ones (ie, asspull powers) and that is not what Togashi intended. The system was designed so there wouldn't be unequal fighting chances for each category if all other components are equal (ie, knowledge, experience, intelligence).

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Why does he need to learn nen at all?

He wants to be a doctor with money.
Leorio needs to learn nen because:
1) it is a requirement to be considered a true Hunter;
2) knowing nen can help him in becoming a great doctor (remember that nen is NOT a battle-only weapon);
3) having a Hunter license equate to having a bullseye on your back

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@everyone who's discussing about Enhancer VS Other Categories

Enhancers are the perfect nen for battle as it is the most balanced in defense and offense
Spoiler for Yorknew arc:
which is the reason why a certain someone who is known to be very intelligent was disappointed when he learned he's not an Enhancer type. That alone should be obvious.

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As for this week's episode, I love it. It's just wow. <----- understatement
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Old 2012-06-19, 19:46   Link #1398
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I must have watched those last five minutes 6 or 7 times (including rewinding as soon as the scene was over the first time, not even waiting for the episode to end) and I can't get over just how great it was. In terms of animation quality, BGM, fight choreography, direction... The highest praise I can give is that it's the best anime fight sequence I've seen since episode 3 of Seirei no Moribito.
I agree completely.
I've been watching the fight over and over, as well, and I can't help but love how Hisoka is just smirking throughout the entire fight and how gon, on the other hand, is desperately fighting in an attempt to get that single punch in.
I didn't notice this right away, but I love how Gon was clearly using zetsu while he was hiding behind the rubble. There's such an impressive level of detail in this fight, and I think it's awesome that they don't completely spell it out for you.
lol I also love how effeminate hisoka is throughout the whole thing. His stance, the way he fights... it's just so graceful.
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Old 2012-06-19, 22:07   Link #1399
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And as pointed out, you're assuming that Specialist abilities are great for combat, and forgetting that how it's not just about what you have, but how you use it. Hisoka believes himself the strongest, and hasn't been proven wrong so far despite his hobby of picking fights with strong guys. Yet he only uses transformation.
I'm pretty sure that Hisoka uses a bit of Conjuring for Deceitful Texture, and obviously punching and kicking falls in the realm of Enhancing.

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Old 2012-06-19, 22:58   Link #1400
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It seems to me enhancement is sort of the basic ability. Everyone need some of it to be viable in combat no matter what special ability you have. Without it you can be taken out in 1 hit.
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