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Old 2012-06-11, 00:48   Link #281
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Or they just warpped the Seed to look like a Gem again.
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Old 2012-06-11, 11:09   Link #282
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Remember Madoka and Kyouko's doomed attempt to make Sayaka revert back?

The way I see it, it seems the Pleiades Saints searched, and worked out a partial solution to fulfilling that goal. With more resources (magic, and numbers of Puella Magis) and the luxury of time to work out a solution. Plus, if indeed, Nico is an Incubator, and Jyubey has helped a great deal, Incubator assistance. After all, I shudder to think how much energy the Incubators have harvested from Kazumi's grief seed.

If somehow, Witches could be stopped from rampaging and reverted back to to some semblance of humanity and sentience, that'd likely be considered a significant triumph for the Incubators. It'll be far easier to convince a Puella Magi to witch out, if retaining your sentience and sanity was possible and doable even then.

Kazumi Magica isn't Lighter and Softer. It's more horrific than the anime itself, since it explores the "unconventional" manipulation of Soul Gems and Grief Cubes in detail. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pleiades Saints turned out to be Incubator Guinea Pigs.
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Old 2012-06-11, 13:01   Link #283
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That's what Ive been saying, what Kyuubei said on ch 5 i think "Do you think things will go well this time pleadies?"

That single phrase might mean that this is all Kyuubei's plan, and that he's just experimenting with the pleadies, while they think they are "fooling" the magical girl system. In reality, they might just been the guinea pigs for Kyuubei's entropy plan.
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Old 2012-06-23, 15:04   Link #284
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Came across spoilers for chapter 18.

Spoiler for Chapter 18:
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Old 2012-06-23, 15:32   Link #285
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My mind is now blown.
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Old 2012-06-23, 15:36   Link #286
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WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!????????? MY heart can't take this.

Spoiler for OMG:


Also excuse me, I need to change my pants now.

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Old 2012-06-23, 16:37   Link #287
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okay, WOW, that is way better than anything I was suspecting.

And no one saw it coming. This goddamn series.


....OH MY GOD

Spoiler for Realization:
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Old 2012-06-23, 18:36   Link #288
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IIRC Nico started doing the creepy faces AFTER the Soujo's arc where she "turned into a witch"

oh snap...
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Old 2012-06-23, 20:08   Link #289
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O-O That probably explains Walpurgisnacht..
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Old 2012-06-23, 20:34   Link #290
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Cool Well...

Damn, a clone who wished revenge upon the original and now wants to wipe out humanity.

Faust comes back to the menu when we consider how well this all plays with the Homunculus sub plot.

Can artificial magical girls return from becoming witches?

Are Incubators helping because a new humanity made entirely of magical girls would be an endless sea of cheap oil?

Why did Soul Gems cracked despite not being fully dirt?

There is still something amiss, something so mindblowing they are covering up for the goddamn end of this series.

Anyhow, here is what got explained:

-Kazumi detects evil nuts because she has Nico's magic running through her veins.

-Juubey has been fucking around with the Pleiades even longer than Kyubey.

-Saki's magic is an organic version of Homura and Kirika.

-The cake is a lie.
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Old 2012-06-24, 05:30   Link #291
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A worthy story in the Madoka Magica Universe! This really deserves a One Cour anime, or at least an OAV Series! Madoka Magica is just the surface, and Kazumi Magica is a perfect exemplar of all the off-screen nastiness merely hinted at in the original anime itself.
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Old 2012-06-24, 08:57   Link #292
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but I don't get it.

Spoiler for what:
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Old 2012-06-24, 11:41   Link #293
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Wasn't it Kyubey ?
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Old 2012-06-24, 11:50   Link #294
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I forgot to tell but I found out how the Evil Nuts work.

My theory is:

Since Kanna's ability is to create alternate lives and Umika's is to create alternate memories I figured that Evil Nut's are basically the would be witches of women who never became magical girls.

They are not complete witches, however, the despair and curse they would have inflicted as witches on a different live overtakes their bodies.

It's quite one hell of a wicked magic.
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Old 2012-06-24, 11:52   Link #295
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Wasn't it Kyubey ?
Spoiler for apparently not:


So my wild guess is that...

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damn this manga is good.
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Old 2012-06-24, 13:29   Link #296
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So many lies coming from everywhere..

I wonder if artificial girls as witches even produce energy?
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Old 2012-06-24, 15:21   Link #297
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Dude, Diveman, Jyubey's mind was rewritten so he couldn't make contracts with OTHER GIRLS and that he would support them exclusively. Technically, "Kanna" is one of the Pleiades. It's a loophole.
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Old 2012-06-25, 11:17   Link #298
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Cool SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

Spoiler:

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Old 2012-06-25, 12:38   Link #299
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Ophuichus can always simply be discounted, since it's not always included in the set, leaving Sagittarius as Kazumi without having to involve anyone else.
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Old 2012-06-25, 13:09   Link #300
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Ophuichus can always simply be discounted, since it's not always included in the set, leaving Sagittarius as Kazumi without having to involve anyone else.
And shall we ignore Madoka's ridiculously large connection with Sagittarius and the cosmos for which reason?

At best Madoka is Sagittarius and Kazumi is not included.

Either way there is a Sagittarius character still to be revealed.
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