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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 25 Rating
Perfect 10 78 49.06%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 44 27.67%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 14 8.81%
7 out of 10 : Good 14 8.81%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 1.26%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.26%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.63%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.63%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 1.89%
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:11   Link #141
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Kariya died with happy thoughts, but it was just illusions... so sad on what happened to Sakura and Rin too

could it be they show Saber crying for the first time? that light at the end looks like hope for her

glad to have such a good series like this, which is so rare nowadays, i like the FSN anime too but it could not be compared to Zero
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:30   Link #142
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I figured out why this episode feels so strange! It's because it doesn't feel like an ending since it continues in Fate/stay night.

Definitely going to re-play F/SN soon.
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:42   Link #143
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I figured out why this episode feels so strange! It's because it doesn't feel like an ending since it continues in Fate/stay night.

Definitely going to re-play F/SN soon.
This. In fact I already started replaying HF.
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:46   Link #144
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I know he already aspired to it before the suffering, but the suffering is essentially what made him so desperate for it and how he went to such lengths to seek everlasting peace. It's an aspiration that is common, but the extent to which he follows it are brought about because of his sufferings, which was my point. It's the desperation of it that I highlighted in my post that was important, otherwise, can you really say he would go so far without those catalysts?
I agree with all that, but the other aspect to those catalysts is that without them Kiritsugu might have gone about the ideal in a less unhealthy manner and thus wouldn't have ended up broken the way he did. That happened because those catalysts twisted his initially pure dream of becoming a hero into a corrupted version of it, and thus, instead of becoming an actual hero who focuses on saving others, he became an anti-hero who specializes in killing others. The latter is what made him become the broken shell of a man we saw in this episode, whereas the former is what he actually wanted to become (but wasn't able to because of his circumstances), as well as the path that Shirou will pursue.

And he actually goes on to reiterate that same dream in the very last moments of his life, so I really don't see it as something that was merely forced upon him by his bad experiences. He would've pursued it either way, just not in the way he ended up doing. Whether he would've eventually outgrown it or not, who can say. But that's what Shirou's story is for.
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:48   Link #145
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This. In fact I already started replaying HF.
Heaven's Feel is where it continues, after all. Maybe I'll just play that one. Aw, who am I kidding? I'm gonna play all three.
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Old 2012-06-24, 13:19   Link #146
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Wow, that was simply a great ending overall. Rarely has such a tragic ending been so wonderful for me to watch. Thoughts:

- Ok, they did retroactively explain Berserker's story a bit, and the scene in which they did made it even more heartwrenching on top of Saber's complete break down (which, I'm still startled to maintain, is strangely beautiful like Gilgamesh says). On that note,

- Poor Saber She is just shattered, isn't she? Although oddly enough,
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- Kirei's scene was a pure delight to watch. Seeing him revel in his newfound acceptance of his sociopathic nature was just glorious, especially the way his uncontrollable laughter was intertwined with his ironically self-condemnatory remarks (lines like "Could my father have sired a dog?" or "Is it possible that this was created from Kotomine Risei's seed?" I took to be as such, though I forget the exact wording). Despite the fact that this was essentially a scene of a man celebrating evil, I couldn't help but grin myself. And then, handing Rin that dagger and seeing the poor girl just start crying...Kirei, go fuck yourself, man. You're an asshole

- Oh, Aoi's alive, weird. Still with what Rin's now been through, it's a bit of a miracle she ended up being a relatively well-adjusted teen, huh?

- For Kiritsugu, I have no words. Seeing him finally find just a tiny bit of salvation in our young original protagonist, after his last hope for it had just slaughtered everyone he was ironically trying to save, was beautiful, especially with Shiro's narration. I guess now we know why he never returned to Ilya though, how sad. I'm curious, did Kiritsugu ever talk with Shiro about his past? They lived together at least 5 years, after all, I wonder if it came up.

Now, Ufotable needs to get to animating this Heaven's Feel everyone's talking about as soon as possible. Seriously, I need more, and I sincerely hope they're the studio to do it.

- Oh and last thought: Gilgamesh rescuing Kirei from the rubble, naked. The fujoshi must have had a heart attack. Which is more than we can say for Kirei now.
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Old 2012-06-24, 14:28   Link #147
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Heaven's Feel is where it continues, after all. Maybe I'll just play that one. Aw, who am I kidding? I'm gonna play all three.
Well to be honest I already finished replaying Fate and UBW while Fate/Zero was airing xD.
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Old 2012-06-24, 17:44   Link #148
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I liked this ending a lot more than I thought I would.

I was glad they included the Lancelot moment in this episode after all but I did find it a bit underwhelming for me. I did feel for Saber though, great job by Ayako Kawasumi.


Disliked most of Kariya's storyline but Sakura's line at the end was chilling. Besides Lancer, Kariya's ending might be the worst. I don't really have much sympathy for him after what he did to Sakura & Rin's mom but I do feel for Sakura.

Loved seeing Waver again..I teared up a little at the empty room with no Rider but his presence still being there. Still my favorite team.

But my favorite thing about the episode was Kiritsugu's ending. Maybe I am just a sap but I love endings like that. Kiritsugu was very misguided in his attempts to do good but he actually does one simple act of goodness and in that way his wish will come true, not through him, but through his son. I never experienced FSN but this did resonate with me. And after all that bitterness I am glad the series ended on a hopeful note for the future.
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Old 2012-06-24, 19:27   Link #149
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But my favorite thing about the episode was Kiritsugu's ending. Maybe I am just a sap but I love endings like that. Kiritsugu was very misguided in his attempts to do good but he actually does one simple act of goodness and in that way his wish will come true, not through him, but through his son. I never experienced FSN but this did resonate with me. And after all that bitterness I am glad the series ended on a hopeful note for the future.
For the love that is Type-Moon, play F/SN.

Ufotable really needs to do Heaven's Feel. Perfect follow up for Zero.
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Old 2012-06-24, 22:07   Link #150
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For the love that is Type-Moon, play F/SN.

Ufotable really needs to do Heaven's Feel. Perfect follow up for Zero.
Hmm. Seeing the reactions for the Kariya scene (tbh I don't think they can fix that even with blue ray they totally changed the message) I'm now ambivalent on whether they should do HF, which is heavily, heavily plot based drama. Since it's most definitely longer in story length than Zero, even an anime might be hard to work around. Plus there are way too many necessary elements that'd make the story fall flat in several places if not done right.
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Old 2012-06-24, 22:35   Link #151
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Nice closure episode despite being slightly anti-climatic as a whole. All in all it was an enjoyable series.
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Old 2012-06-24, 23:04   Link #152
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Hmm. Seeing the reactions for the Kariya scene (tbh I don't think they can fix that even with blue ray they totally changed the message) I'm now ambivalent on whether they should do HF, which is heavily, heavily plot based drama. Since it's most definitely longer in story length than Zero, even an anime might be hard to work around. Plus there are way too many necessary elements that'd make the story fall flat in several places if not done right.
Indeed. Kariya has been poorly treated by the anime to the point where it's as if he deserved all the crap he got and all the things he tried his best at were either marginalized or subtle tweaked in a way that could be interpreted as more selfish than it is.

And since he's not a cute girl, he won't even get the "Isn't it sad, Sacchin?" treament.
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Old 2012-06-24, 23:44   Link #153
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A bit less thrilling than my expectations, leaving some questions.
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It's unfortunate, but had the pacing been better during the first half of the series, the final episode might have been more clear. I did like how they used flashback of Berserker's final moment to describe Saber's feelings, but nevertheless I still wish they had included some of this in episode 24 to have a more satisfactory end to Berserker. On the other hand, I did not understand the point of including Waver's story while they decided to leave out many things that would have answered questions tying into the main part of the story.

eh, leaving serious discussion behind... I kinda couldn't take the episode seriously anymore after NAKED GIL. LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD!
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Old 2012-06-24, 23:53   Link #154
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On the other hand, I did not understand the point of including Waver's story while they decided to leave out many things that would have answered questions tying into the main part of the story.
If Waver was not in this series, I would have ranked this series as a bad one.
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Someone brought a question to me, and I realized I didn't know the answer to it, so I'll ask you guys.

Spoiler for Fate/Stay Night anime spoilers?:
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If Waver was not in this series, I would have ranked this series as a bad one.
Waver was one of my favorites from the series but I personally would have liked to see some of the stuff that was cut out rather than Waver scene. But personal preferences, personal preferences.
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Someone brought a question to me, and I realized I didn't know the answer to it, so I'll ask you guys.

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I'll answer this in the Fate Q&A thread. Go there. We don't want any Fate spoilers in this thread.
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Old 2012-06-25, 01:29   Link #158
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A bit less thrilling than my expectations, leaving some questions.
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I find it interesting that some people still see it as a "tournament" story instead of individual downfall and self discovery.

Uryuu discovered his most prized possession
Kayneth lost his pride
Tohsaka lost his opportunity
Waver discovered his goal in life
Kariya lost his fight against fate
Kotomine discovered his true self
Kiritsugu lost his hope, yet discovered them again.
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Tohsaka lost more than an opportunity, lool.
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Old 2012-06-25, 02:11   Link #160
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nice ending, seeing Kiritsugu looked in despair because even after he chose to abandon his family in order to save many more people, it reverse back and the grail that he tried to destroy then destroying people he wanted to save... seeing he became desperate in searching for people who may still be alive in that pile of rubbish and find his salvation after finding Shirou...

Another tragic end for a master which is Kariya who tried to get the happiness of the person he loved, he was deceived by Kirei and be thought as killer by Aoi and laslty just got the illusion that he had already saved Sakura and brought her back to Aoi and Rin....

I felt that Waver get the most development.... as before he was just a kid who act selfishly and now become mature because of Rider....
it's good too that berseker did some conversation with Saber and told his feelings to saber...

and woot... Taiga in her young age with her uniform in 19:15.... it is Taiga right?

2 more project maybe for the animation? Heaven's feel and then Fate Hollow Atraxia....
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