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Old 2012-06-25, 01:01   Link #3701
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why didn't Archer use UBW to fight Berserker from the start instead of when it's already too late? would he win if he used UBW from the start?
Well, at the very least he needs time to build up the chant.

And it looks like he would've lost either way, so he was probably just trying to stall so the others could get as far as possible.

I think he was still hurt from Saber slashing him in the beginning too.
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Old 2012-06-25, 02:47   Link #3702
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If Kiritsugu allowed Saber to retain any mana (in order to keep her physical existence) after destroying the holy grail, he would be jeopardizing his own life. It would be a fatally foolish thing to do.
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Old 2012-06-25, 06:27   Link #3703
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If Kiritsugu allowed Saber to retain any mana (in order to keep her physical existence) after destroying the holy grail, he would be jeopardizing his own life.
Why is that? Rin did it in UBW and it didn't jeopardize her life. I don't see why it would be any different with Kiritsugu, unless he's that inferior a magus to Rin.
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Old 2012-06-25, 06:44   Link #3704
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Why is that? Rin did it in UBW and it didn't jeopardize her life. I don't see why it would be any different with Kiritsugu, unless he's that inferior a magus to Rin.
Maybe he meant Saber would want to kill or hurt him for destroying the holy grail.
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Old 2012-06-25, 10:52   Link #3705
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Why is that? Rin did it in UBW and it didn't jeopardize her life. I don't see why it would be any different with Kiritsugu, unless he's that inferior a magus to Rin.
She would have been pretty mad. Remember, he was supposed to have justified all his atrocities in the name of getting the Grail. Without that he's just a guy who killed a bunch of people in dishonorable ways.

Although I don't know if she would've actually done anything. But that's Kiritsugu for you.
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Old 2012-06-25, 10:57   Link #3706
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Uh, I know that, it's astoundingly obvious. But ApathyEcstasy made it sound as if providing Saber with mana to keep her physical existence would endanger Kiritsugu's life, which is what I was questioning.

But if he actually just meant Saber wanting payback on Kiritsugu, then never mind.
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Old 2012-06-25, 18:50   Link #3707
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He speaks of the Noble Phantasms he throws at Caster's monster as gone forever (because he doesn't want them back now that they've touched such a disgusting thing), so I would assume he does lose items permanently when they're destroyed.
He can restore them. He was making a point about not wanting them back because they are tainted.
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why didn't Archer use UBW to fight Berserker from the start instead of when it's already too late? would he win if he used UBW from the start?
UBW is almost at the level of Grand Ritual. Even with High Speed Chanting, it would still take about 2 seconds.

In that 2 seconds, Berserker would turn him into a bloody smear on the floor.

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Can Gil ever run out of treasure? and if one of his treasure is destroyed, he lost it or it still in Gate of Babylon?
Not any time soon, lol.

Almost every treasure in every legend came from Gilgamesh. Assuming 95%, 95% of treasures in ALL the World's legends are still mind-boggling.
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Old 2012-06-26, 17:28   Link #3708
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Guinevere is male or female in Nasu-verse? I.e. is Saber or Lancelot gay?
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Old 2012-06-26, 17:31   Link #3709
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She's a woman, so she basically decided to sacrifice her freedom to live as a queen alongside Saber, so Saber could pretend she was a man. It was all a charade, but Lancelot couldn't control himself.
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Old 2012-06-26, 17:36   Link #3710
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She's a woman, so she basically decided to sacrifice her freedom to live as a queen alongside Saber, so Saber could pretend she was a man. It was all a charade, but Lancelot couldn't control himself.
Bummer though Saber being yuri makes some sense, less though than Guinevere NTRing her with Lancelot
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Old 2012-06-26, 17:42   Link #3711
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Well, it's not like they were actually doing anything, they were just pretending to be married. So she actually didn't have a problem with her and Lancelot getting together. But to everybody else, there was the image of the king getting his wife stolen by her leading knight, so actions had to be taken anyway.
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Old 2012-06-26, 17:43   Link #3712
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Bummer though Saber being yuri makes some sense, less though than Guinevere NTRing her with Lancelot
She didn't seem to have a problem when Rin was making out with her. And she also seemed fine when Rin was licking her.
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:19   Link #3713
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Well, it's not like they were actually doing anything, they were just pretending to be married. So she actually didn't have a problem with her and Lancelot getting together. But to everybody else, there was the image of the king getting his wife stolen by her leading knight, so actions had to be taken anyway.
Well, she was not exactly innocent either, since Mordred can't be a virgin birth either.

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She didn't seem to have a problem when Rin was making out with her. And she also seemed fine when Rin was licking her.
True, she resisted far less than expected, even for hentai.
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:22   Link #3714
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Well, she was not exactly innocent either, since Mordred can't be a virgin birth either.
Morgana not Saber gave birth.
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:24   Link #3715
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Well, she was not exactly innocent either, since Mordred can't be a virgin birth either.
Mordred is a homunculus in FSN, made through some sort of hocus pocus.
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:26   Link #3716
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Mordred is a homunculus in FSN, made through some sort of hocus pocus.
when Arturia was a futuri and took advantage of her sister, Incest and adultery
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:28   Link #3717
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Morgana not Saber gave birth.
OK, then Saber is both into yuri and incest

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Mordred is a homunculus in FSN, made through some sort of hocus pocus.
Where are all these narrated in?
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Old 2012-06-26, 18:49   Link #3718
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when Arturia was a futuri and took advantage of her sister, Incest and adultery
I thought she just got pranked or something and that was it.
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Old 2012-06-26, 19:12   Link #3719
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She didn't seem to have a problem when Rin was making out with her. And she also seemed fine when Rin was licking her.
Come on. That's all fan service.
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Old 2012-06-26, 19:16   Link #3720
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Come on. That's all fan service.
And? It's still canon. Nothing wrong with Saber being canonically bisexual.
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