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Old 2012-06-26, 19:22   Link #3721
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And? It's still canon. Nothing wrong with Saber being canonically bisexual.
Well, it really doesn't make a difference. She was struggling with her sexual orientation in Zero or SN, soo yeah.
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Old 2012-06-26, 19:30   Link #3722
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I thought she just got pranked or something and that was it.
prank or not, it didn't prevent Arturia from committing incest with her sister
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Old 2012-06-26, 19:35   Link #3723
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And? It's still canon. Nothing wrong with Saber being canonically bisexual.
More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?
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Old 2012-06-26, 23:38   Link #3724
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Is there 26 episodes or 25 for Fate/Zero? I'm holding out for the last episode so I just wanted to know. Can't seem to find a definite answer...
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Old 2012-06-26, 23:41   Link #3725
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nah its over
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Old 2012-06-26, 23:51   Link #3726
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More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?
Guinevere's story is in the Fate/Zero novel (would be nice if it made it into the anime's BDs, but who knows) and Mordred in the Character Material (Type-Moon books with extra information on the Nasuverse).
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Old 2012-06-27, 10:37   Link #3727
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More like she a lesbian in cannon, with the game giving the chance to the player of turning her bi- in the first scenario of F/SN

Anyway, where are the stories about Guinevere and Mordred written in?
Merlin actually gave her a penis and turned her temporarily into a dude.

Does that make her bi? You decide.
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Old 2012-06-27, 13:06   Link #3728
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Merlin actually gave her a penis and turned her temporarily into a dude.

Does that make her bi? You decide.
Really?! Saber was futanari? The plot thickens
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Old 2012-06-27, 13:33   Link #3729
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Please tell me that pun wasn't intended...
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Old 2012-06-27, 13:34   Link #3730
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Please tell me that pun wasn't intended...
it is hard not.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:23   Link #3731
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Really?! Saber was futanari? The plot thickens
You need baby gravy to make Homunculi.

Also, there is implied incest there, since Morgan in Nasu's version of the Arthurian Cycle is Sabre's sister. Morgan supposedly seduced futa Sabre and acquired his semen.

Yes, weird stuff is one of the major exports of Japan.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:33   Link #3732
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You need baby gravy to make Homunculi.

Also, there is implied incest there, since Morgan in Nasu's version of the Arthurian Cycle is Sabre's sister. Morgan supposedly seduced futa Sabre and acquired his semen.

Yes, weird stuff is one of the major exports of Japan.
Except them being related by blood is from old British stories of Arthur. Half-siblings, but still blood. The futanari thing is obviously just playing on Merlin's prankster habits to make the story work.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:41   Link #3733
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Except them being related by blood is from old British stories of Arthur. Half-siblings, but still blood. The futanari thing is obviously just playing on Merlin's prankster habits to make the story work.
No need to white-knight for Type Moon. Even they admitted they made this mess just to keep the "Sabre is a girl" thing afloat, and maintain some semblance to the original tale. It is something they are not particularly proud of.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:47   Link #3734
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I'm not "white-knighting" them. I'm just calling you out on "lol, it's Japan so it's obviously weird". The source material said there was incest. Their plot said that wouldn't quite work. They had the Wizard available, who also happens to be a bit of a jokester in said sources, to do what was needed to fix this problem.

Also, the title/name is Saber, not Sabre, as per the class card.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:54   Link #3735
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Actually there was some feminist chick that published a book "proving" that Arthur was not only real, but also a girl around the time the F/SN game got published
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Old 2012-06-27, 15:07   Link #3736
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I'm not "white-knighting" them. I'm just calling you out on "lol, it's Japan so it's obviously weird". The source material said there was incest. Their plot said that wouldn't quite work. They had the Wizard available, who also happens to be a bit of a jokester in said sources, to do what was needed to fix this problem.

Also, the title/name is Saber, not Sabre, as per the class card.
There are different versions. There are versions where she was a Faerie, and there are versions where she was blood-kin of Arthur.

They picked the specific one where incest was involved, made it purposeful instead of accidental, and further exploited it to make it more wtf. And that "making Sabre a futa" part just adds to the wtf.

It's lol Japan. Quit white-knighting. Even the production team and Type Moon felt it was wtf.
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Old 2012-06-27, 16:34   Link #3737
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Would Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception work on Servants?
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Old 2012-06-27, 16:36   Link #3738
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Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.
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Old 2012-06-27, 16:39   Link #3739
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Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.
No one knows for sure.

It could be what you said, or it could be that there are no lines at all, and Ryougi's crazy taijutsu/self-hypnosis are what keep her alive.
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Old 2012-06-28, 07:33   Link #3740
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Probably. But that doesn't mean she'd have the skill and strength to even reach those lines, which I'm guessing is why Nasu said she'd only be able to defend against an average servant.
What did Nasu say exactly regarding the subject?
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