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Old 2012-06-27, 10:22   Link #41
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Many people say that Edo-Madara is overpowered and Kishi went too far, but let's face the arguments, he was the strongest Uhicha world ever known. We all know about Hashirama and Madara's fight over the valey of the end, but we do not know how EPIC that battle was. (Moreover we may discover more on that historical event since Madara is staying) And as a consequence of Kabuto's cautionless usage of Edo Jutsu, the risk of having summoned being immortal and with limitless chakra and uncontrolled mind if he breaks out is a equivalent risk according to the Forbidden Jutsu of the Ressurection. I think there is nothing wrong about that.

As a result Madara is immortal, so that's the risk of using edo tensei. if u summon someone stronger than u and who know the seal he can be here forever

For me it's just mind-blowing turning out. This maybe even better ressurection than Tobi wanted to do with the rinnegan.

I would like to see Sasuke arriving in front of Kages and deciding to face Madara, it would be Epic to see these two fighting , but unless Sasuke got some new techs from Itatchi, he does not have any chances agains Madara.

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Old 2012-06-27, 10:29   Link #42
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Sasuke arriving and beating Madara when the Kages couldn't would give me the biggest headache since the time I got hit in the head with a wooden sword at full swing. The problem is that I can already feel that headache coming.
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Old 2012-06-27, 10:30   Link #43
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come now, your head would be much worse if Naruto and Sasuske had to tag-team him - let's go for the lesser evil
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Old 2012-06-27, 10:31   Link #44
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come now, your head would be much worse if Naruto and Sasuske had to tag-team him - let's go for the lesser evil
I think my nose is starting to bleed.
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Old 2012-06-27, 11:29   Link #45
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Strange. Why didn't Madara just decide to go away to be resurected by Tobi with the Rinnegan, like his original plan was? Doesn't he trust him anymore?
because being an immortal with unlimited chakra and a kabuto-enhanced body is better than just being resurrected in his normal mortal state

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Interesting that Madara seems to know the ins and outs of Edo Tensei and yet Tobi had to learn about it from Kabuto.

Maybe Madara only knew how to release Edo Tensei but never knew how to perform it? No, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
yes that is indeed interesting. I like the zetsu idea that has been stated, but there's another option for this too. If Tobi is indeed Madara's mind, then Madara may know everything Tobi does at this point if there is a communication between them. There may also be a communication between the two if Tobi isn't even Madara's mind
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:02   Link #46
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I still 100% believe it's the 1st hokaga blood DNA to call him to beat madara. Think about it. Madara said the only one who can beat him was the 1st. Oro was obsess with the 1st power, we have yet to see the 1st so now would be the best time and finally what was the point of sasuke learning Edo ( I guessing he did, he had his shargin on when itachi used it)
My guess is suigetsu will bring the scroll to sasuke and eventually summon the 1st, why he will do this I don't know
The First was summoned way back when Orochimaru killed the Third. He was sealed away by the God of Death and the Third, the same as the Fourth sealed away half of the Kyuubi. According to the Third, he completely sealed away the souls of the First and Second, so that they could never again be summoned. The First is dead, gone, and his soul is either being, or has been devoured by Death itself. I doubt even Eyehax 101 can bring him back from that.
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:08   Link #47
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Plus, Sasuke didn't learn Edo Tensei...just the handseals to cancel it.
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:09   Link #48
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come now, your head would be much worse if Naruto and Sasuske had to tag-team him - let's go for the lesser evil
Pretty sure two people taking down an immortal with infinite energy is less ridiculous than one person taking down an immortal with infinite energy.

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I doubt even Eyehax 101 can bring him back from that.
Maybe not, but Retcon no Kishi could do it easily enough. It's not like he hasn't ignored enough other things from the pre-time skip story.
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:19   Link #49
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Pretty sure two people taking down an immortal with infinite energy is less ridiculous than one person taking down an immortal with infinite energy.
Nah, it's the concept of Naruto and Sasuke teaming up after all that crap...
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:22   Link #50
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Now i wonder if Itachi transfered his Totsuka sword into Sasuke, that would be very convenient against immortal and regenerating people like Tobi and Madara.
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:25   Link #51
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Nah, it's the concept of Naruto and Sasuke teaming up after all that crap...
I consider that an inevitability (what causes them to do so doesn't matter). This is a shounen, after all.
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:36   Link #52
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I'm sorry, but this Madara stuff is groan-worthy. The DBZ power levels were ridiculous enough, and he's been acting like a carbon copy of your average DBZ villian character-wise, but getting out of Edo-cancellation itself? This fight just seems to be "Stand in despair. You don't stand a chance. I'm so powerful and come out with a new hax ability each chapter, and this will drag on for 10 more chapters." EMS wasn't powerful enough? No, he has to have a Rinnegan, which makes Pain worthless now, wood element jutsu, a PERFECT Susanoo because the regular one which can guard against anything and the user doesn't even need to move wasn't powerful enough, and he also has more knowledge of edo tensei than anyone in the series it looks like, and he originally had nothing to do with it. Once again, Madara with EMS really wouldn't have been enough to take on the kages?
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Old 2012-06-27, 12:36   Link #53
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@Ero-Senn1n: Good point

But there is one more thing, as we know Itachi left Kabuto trapped in a loop with Sasuke around so he can use his MS to learn some jutsus But this scenario is not likely to happen as I suppose.
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I consider that an inevitability (what causes them to do so doesn't matter). This is a shounen, after all.
Inevitable? Quite.
Still don't like it? Eh...
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Old 2012-06-27, 13:25   Link #55
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I actually really enjoyed this chapter We have a fond farewell from Itachi and that priceless, stunned look on Sasuke's face when Itachi goes back to the spirit world; Tsunade's little talk with Dan, which, if she DIDN'T get to see him before he evaporated, I would have been pissed; and edo Madara pwns the world. I like edo Madara. I'm happy he's sticking around... Does that make me a bad person? T-T

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Possibly some new eye power unlocked from his recent interactions with his brother.
Haha, more sharinhax? Well, I'm not sure if Itachi is going to leave Sasu-face with another power-up; after all, Sasuke pretty much flat-out said he still wanted to destroy THE WORLD. It would seem pretty irresponsible to give Sasuke another power-up...of course, this is Itachi we're talking about, so who knows?

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I got to see Dan's jutsu, I'm a happy man
Hells to the yes. BTW, is Dan from the Yamanaka clan? His ability to remove his soul from his body reminds me of the Yamanaka jutsu... Plus, he's got the long hair

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Interesting that Madara seems to know the ins and outs of Edo Tensei and yet Tobi had to learn about it from Kabuto.
Seriously. WHO IS TOBI????? Please...don't answer that.
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Old 2012-06-27, 14:59   Link #56
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The First is dead, gone, and his soul is either being, or has been devoured by Death itself. I doubt even Eyehax 101 can bring him back from that.
no he exists in the belly of the death god implying that he is not gone forever and thus recoverable. my hunch is that sage naruto will do it though. it just wouldn't be right for the series to end with the 4 hokages trapped in eternal damnation. naruto will learn/figure some way out of it I'm sure and then hashirama will have a long awaited reunion with his arch nemesis.

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Now i wonder if Itachi transfered his Totsuka sword into Sasuke, that would be very convenient against immortal and regenerating people like Tobi and Madara.
good call. i'd be surprised if that sword didn't make another appearance in the series. not just to possibly work on tobi or madara but i'm still not convinced orochimaru is done yet
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Old 2012-06-27, 15:06   Link #57
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Now i wonder if Itachi transfered his Totsuka sword into Sasuke, that would be very convenient against immortal and regenerating people like Tobi and Madara.
I was thinking that. He loves giving his bro random power ups while dying so I probably think so. I don't see another way to get rid of him. Plus Sasuke fighting and sealing him finishes what Itachi and he started.

I can't take Madara that seriously since I know he's not going to kill anyone except maybe Onoki because he's old. So Madara's super bad ass FV tier that pulls out hax every week but never accomplishes anything.
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Old 2012-06-27, 15:20   Link #58
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Lame...random loop hole in edo tensei that makes no sense...
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Old 2012-06-27, 15:34   Link #59
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because being an immortal with unlimited chakra and a kabuto-enhanced body is better than just being resurrected in his normal mortal state

Totally not. He's literally stuck to his current body. That's it - no evolution, no progress. Frozen in time, in zombie mode.

There is a possibility that he can learn new jutsus, but that's it.

And it definitely would be a problem for someone of his level. Of course, that would allow him to turn the tides of the battle and win it, but I can imagine that it's not the desirable outcome in the long-run, and that can be one of the reasons why he didn't want to use it.
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Old 2012-06-27, 16:25   Link #60
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Lame...random loop hole in edo tensei that makes no sense...
Does anything make sense anymore?

Storyline-wise, I am not sure why Kishi wants Madara around. If he wanted some of the Kages to die defeating him, then he could of done that chapters ago so we could move on. This tells me he wants Madara to be a boss fight for Sasuke. I guess whatever scroll of Orochimaru's Sasuke gets from water boy could be the key to defeating Madara.

How long have the Konoha 11 been running? Thank god for the anime and Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth or we would never see them. I thought their growth was suppose to be a big part of the war?
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