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Theo · 2012-06-30, 13:37

So many conflicting emotions:

-Quite a cast we have here, with most development going to Marika of course, with Gruier, Chiaki, and Ai getting quite a bit. I was glad to see Marika and watch her character grow. I know there are times that I felt Marika was a kind of blank slate or didn't express strong emotions, but overall, I'm glad they didn't make her a weepy mess.

-Still, it's not as ambitious as the series implies it is, especially with the marketing and the themes of adventure and passion. There are plenty of things that they could do, things that excites the fanbase and fuels discussion, but still keep the tone that was in the first arc. But they don't take advantage of the vast, interesting universe the series is set in and settle in on mundane school and pointless cutaway scenes talking about...things. Say what you want about shows like Guilty Crown or other scifi animes, but they fuel a LOT of discussion and emotions, whether good or bad, because the world-building elements they introduce contribute greatly to a big plot. They even had some great things like the captain's UI or the corporate rebellion, except it's kinda just resolved or kind of just THERE with no further development.

Apathy is death.

I think the problem is also with the source material, so I can't blame the director for what he has to work with.

-Sometimes I think they have their heads up their asses regarding the importance of some characters and activities, like Gruier popping up all the time. Take episode 8 and 14 for example, a lot of things we didn't need to see or things that didn't contribute much at all like Gruier at school, the car ride, or the new crew member search.

-The focus is a bit lost when we have to switch back and forth between the crew and the schoolgirls. The biggest sin is not fleshing out the crew except for Kane. If you look at episode 1 through 26, which characters besides Marika grow or change by the time we reach 26?

-Please reduce the number of anticlimaxes, it's not helping the show nor is it that clever. There are many ways to have a logical/reasonable climax and invigorate passion in the viewers rather than just "oh, everything's okay".

I had fun watching the show and hope they take some criticisms to heart. And I hope that movie's not a recap, I want to see the 4-6 arc.

ookamigirl · 2012-06-30, 13:40

The battlefield. All ready, set, GO!
Linking all the ship and doing some serious teamwork was a smart choice.
I'm still surprised that the pirates managed to unite.
Boarding Quartz Christie's ship; now that was fun.
Looks like Marika is the one who'll be a famous pirate now ^^
This final episode was a total blast! 10/10

D-Joe · 2012-06-30, 13:45

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Originally Posted by larethian

I can only see また逢いましょう. Where's the movie?

check official site
http://www.starchild.co.jp/special/mo-retsu/news/

00Coyote · 2012-06-30, 13:51

Two words to describe the final battle:

Curb. Stomp.

But a curb stomp in a stylish and sexy form fitting space suit. This was one of those battles where the victor was decided even before the two fleets entered the field. Marika had a plan, they prepared for that plan, they executed that plan. Quartz didn't really have a plan, just brought two additional ships, an amusing case where 'bring more gun' didn't really pay off.

What did pay off big time for the pirates was Marika's idea to turn the Bentenmaru into a huge sensor relay. With the EW being synchronized from there, and the upgraded sensors, Marika allowed each pirate ship to be aware of the whole battlefield. She didn't have to bark orders to the other pirates, she gave them info and relied on their experience and let them cooperate as necessary to execute the plan. A much better idea than trying to micro-manage such a diverse and strong willed force.

With the EW synchronized over the whole pirate fleet, that help keep all the ships unjammed and all their computers working, mitigate most of the incoming damage, and help predict the path that the Grand Cross fleet would take, allowing the pirates to plan accordingly and keep several steps ahead of Quartz.

Flawless execution by Satelight, showing a strategic and tactical genius at work.

Special props to the Barbarossa's B.A.M. (Big Ass Missile) taking out Grand Cross #2, and Mr. Spoon's bad ass tanking and agro management on Grand Cross #1. Too bad we didn't get to see Dracula in action though.

While the Shangri-La's boarding action was impressive (no door? RAM EM!) the squad level action of the boarding party definitely fell into the category of 'generic action sequence' so it really wasn't anything impressive.

All and all a nice (form) fitting (space suit) for Marika and her crew. While the movie announcement is great, I'm going to miss my weekly dose of Miniskirt Pirates.

Wandering_Youth · 2012-06-30, 13:55

An awsome ending for this anime for it showed all the space ship combat-ness in all it's glory.

I wasn't a big fan of Marika's fancy new space suit it looked so tacky. It reminds me of that one promienent character from the old Gundam animes and I can't remember his name right now.

Spoiler for The mysterious of Ironbeard....:

Now if you'll excuse me folks, I need to get down on my kneels now and pray to the pirate gods for a second season. Pirate gods! I be·seech you! Please answer my prays!

Kyuu · 2012-06-30, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

Spoiler for The mysterious of Ironbeard....:

Not watching the episode yet...

I had a feeling that was the case; and sadly, I was hoping it wasn't. But, these plot devices are often so predictable.

In any case, I retain my previous complaints about this.

Theo · 2012-06-30, 14:17

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18213124

Okay, this was pretty good.

j4c06 · 2012-06-30, 14:23

"Boarding underway". This is priceless!

xizro345 · 2012-06-30, 14:39

And so it has ended. I remember that this series had been on my radar since the original announcement, and I can say it has been a good ride. Probably one of the series I enjoyed more of this season. Looking forward to the movie.... if it doesn't end like a certain movie *coughNadesicocough*.

DezoPenguin · 2012-06-30, 15:09

Spoiler for Final thoughts on Ep. 26 and the show overall:

Well, thus ends one of what has to be the biggest (positive) surprises of the last two seasons. Good start, good middle, good end. I liked finally getting to see virtually a whole episode dedicated to space combat when such things had been sidestepped a few times before. I was pretty amazed how easily the combined pirates took out the Grand Crosses; I guess this is the advantage of military intelligence in action: once you understand the enemy's capabilities and tactics, you can plan for them, and Quartz really didn't adapt or adjust anything she did from the early encounters.

Overall, Marika was a great heroine; I love that she can be genki and fun-loving, but decidedly not be a idiot, and it was fun watching her explore the question of just who she is.

The final arc had a lot of high points and a lot of low points, all of which can pretty much be traced to a general softening of the sci-fi hardness level. On the one hand, we get epic space battles, our first real look outside the bounds of local space, and some of Marika's best stuff. On the other hand, we get a pretty big increase in the general silliness (if this is what the adult pirates are like...I begin to see why the cosplaying yacht club girls didn't draw all that much attention in their arc).

Marika/Chiaki shippers will no doubt enjoy the byplay between Chiaki and her dad, and then Chiaki's arrival at the end.

The single worst part of the entire show was the confirmation that Ironbeard is actually Marika's dad. If this is something that got imported from the later LNs, then I can tolerate it (you have to work with what you get), but if this is something that the writers of this anime-only arc decided would somehow be a good idea, then they should be beaten about the head with a frozen tuna. That he'd fake his own death when he decided to trade up to Galactic Empire piracy is acceptable (otherwise, the Bentenmaru would lose its letter of marque, and that would screw over his loyal crew), but that neither he, nor Ririka, nor Gruier would think that telling Marika he isn't dead (no doubt "for her own good" as a character-building experience or some such utter crap) is idiotic and can only be traceable to the fact that no one knew he was alive until the anime writers ran out of material for the end of the show.

That hiccup aside, I am definitely looking forward to more, so I'm glad it's getting a movie. Hopefully, the DVD sets will sell well enough for Sentai that they'll license the movie for domestic release as well, since we obviously won't get that streamed.

Theo · 2012-06-30, 15:31

Why do I get the feeling the movie's going to be plot original as well and deal with the aftermath of this arc?

tsunade666 · 2012-06-30, 15:55

great ending and final episode. Among the final episode that I watch this season. This one is I highly approve! though I want for more and wish for more specially that it looks their is more to do with a vast space to explore. It also helps that it looks like Chiaki-chan tranfer schools so in their senior time Chiaki and Marika will be full time together

and Mami being pure awesome make that sailor uniform for the yatch club

their is a movie?

totoum · 2012-06-30, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo

Why do I get the feeling the movie's going to be plot original as well and deal with the aftermath of this arc?

Because the last episode looks more like an introduction to a new arc rather than a conclusion to the show?

Nerroth · 2012-06-30, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsunade666

their is a movie?

Yes.

(Should there be a new thread for the feature film, or would it be as well to stick with this one instead?)

Great ending for the series, by the way... or rather, great ending for what I hope will "only" be the end of season 1!

Kyuu · 2012-06-30, 16:55

Chiaki: "I believe in you and our future."

Instant HNNNNNGGHH.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo

Why do I get the feeling the movie's going to be plot original as well and deal with the aftermath of this arc?

They can go this route and actually have it make sense.

Is there any novel material by which hasn't been covered by the series? Yet, by the point of the last episode, the material was skipped and was not animated? If they're gonna make a movie, they might as well base it on that stuff.

Then call it:

Spoiler:

XD

Theo · 2012-06-30, 18:00

Wait, I got it. They're going to use those scenes from the OP where Chiaki and Marika are standing and the Bentenmaru is escaping from that star; the novels mentioned a red star.

I hope.

LuxorMG · 2012-06-30, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

Spoiler for The mysterious of Ironbeard....:

Now if you'll excuse me folks, I need to get down on my kneels now and pray to the pirate gods for a second season. Pirate gods! I be·seech you! Please answer my prays!

I guessed he was Marika's dad a while ago, when we found out Ririka was with him.

And it isn't so much a sudden change as a piece of info that quickly makes us question the original story of her dad dying, and what happened to force him away to make Marika a pirate.

That leads to the possibility of a sequel (I hope it's not just a movie, because I'd prefer the length that comes with another season). We still don't know the circumstances surrounding Ironbeard, or who Quartz was working for or what the reasons for her objectives were. She only mentioned that she gathered the battle data and destroyed the evidence (the ship), and told (or was it a voiceover?) Marika to come to bigger seas, likely in the Galactic Empire or Stellar Alliance.

Chiaki_chan · 2012-06-30, 18:28

a film .... I will not say I'm disappointed in this announcement but I would prefer a season 2 ....

I have a question then reassured me that when the film released someone can translate it into vosta ...?
.....

encia · 2012-06-30, 19:47

Atleast the ending is not like Mass Effect 3 (before the big fix).

serenade_beta · 2012-06-30, 19:47

Spoiler for final thoughts:

2012-06-30, 13:40	Link #3342
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	The battlefield. All ready, set, GO! Linking all the ship and doing some serious teamwork was a smart choice. I'm still surprised that the pirates managed to unite. Boarding Quartz Christie's ship; now that was fun. Looks like Marika is the one who'll be a famous pirate now ^^ This final episode was a total blast! 10/10 __________________ My new Blog --> ookami (anime, manga, movies, JDrama, music, Japan..) & latest reviews

2012-06-30, 13:55	Link #3345
Wandering_Youth lost in wonder forever... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: edge of my dream in the land of twilight...ZzzZzZ	Episode 26 An awsome ending for this anime for it showed all the space ship combat-ness in all it's glory. I wasn't a big fan of Marika's fancy new space suit it looked so tacky. It reminds me of that one promienent character from the old Gundam animes and I can't remember his name right now. Spoiler for The mysterious of Ironbeard....: Not liking how they suddenly and abruptly reveal how Ironbeard is Marika's dad. They sure don't look like anything alike in looks or personality. Now if you'll excuse me folks, I need to get down on my kneels now and pray to the pirate gods for a second season. Pirate gods! I be·seech you! Please answer my prays! __________________

2012-06-30, 15:09	Link #3350
DezoPenguin Beta by Accident Author Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maine Age: 41	Spoiler for Final thoughts on Ep. 26 and the show overall: Well, thus ends one of what has to be the biggest (positive) surprises of the last two seasons. Good start, good middle, good end. I liked finally getting to see virtually a whole episode dedicated to space combat when such things had been sidestepped a few times before. I was pretty amazed how easily the combined pirates took out the Grand Crosses; I guess this is the advantage of military intelligence in action: once you understand the enemy's capabilities and tactics, you can plan for them, and Quartz really didn't adapt or adjust anything she did from the early encounters. Overall, Marika was a great heroine; I love that she can be genki and fun-loving, but decidedly not be a idiot, and it was fun watching her explore the question of just who she is. The final arc had a lot of high points and a lot of low points, all of which can pretty much be traced to a general softening of the sci-fi hardness level. On the one hand, we get epic space battles, our first real look outside the bounds of local space, and some of Marika's best stuff. On the other hand, we get a pretty big increase in the general silliness (if this is what the adult pirates are like...I begin to see why the cosplaying yacht club girls didn't draw all that much attention in their arc). Marika/Chiaki shippers will no doubt enjoy the byplay between Chiaki and her dad, and then Chiaki's arrival at the end. The single worst part of the entire show was the confirmation that Ironbeard is actually Marika's dad. If this is something that got imported from the later LNs, then I can tolerate it (you have to work with what you get), but if this is something that the writers of this anime-only arc decided would somehow be a good idea, then they should be beaten about the head with a frozen tuna. That he'd fake his own death when he decided to trade up to Galactic Empire piracy is acceptable (otherwise, the Bentenmaru would lose its letter of marque, and that would screw over his loyal crew), but that neither he, nor Ririka, nor Gruier would think that telling Marika he isn't dead (no doubt "for her own good" as a character-building experience or some such utter crap) is idiotic and can only be traceable to the fact that no one knew he was alive until the anime writers ran out of material for the end of the show. That hiccup aside, I am definitely looking forward to more, so I'm glad it's getting a movie. Hopefully, the DVD sets will sell well enough for Sentai that they'll license the movie for domestic release as well, since we obviously won't get that streamed. __________________ RadiantBeam's Complete Index to the Shadowverse

2012-06-30, 15:55	Link #3352
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	great ending and final episode. Among the final episode that I watch this season. This one is I highly approve! though I want for more and wish for more specially that it looks their is more to do with a vast space to explore. It also helps that it looks like Chiaki-chan tranfer schools so in their senior time Chiaki and Marika will be full time together and Mami being pure awesome make that sailor uniform for the yatch club their is a movie? __________________

2012-06-30, 18:28	Link #3358
Chiaki_chan watashi wa Yuri-Senpai Join Date: May 2012 Location: with Unohana-sama Age: 21	a film .... I will not say I'm disappointed in this announcement but I would prefer a season 2 .... I have a question then reassured me that when the film released someone can translate it into vosta ...? ..... __________________

2012-06-30, 13:37	Link #3341
Theo Morningstar is Burning... Join Date: Sep 2007	So many conflicting emotions: -Quite a cast we have here, with most development going to Marika of course, with Gruier, Chiaki, and Ai getting quite a bit. I was glad to see Marika and watch her character grow. I know there are times that I felt Marika was a kind of blank slate or didn't express strong emotions, but overall, I'm glad they didn't make her a weepy mess. -Still, it's not as ambitious as the series implies it is, especially with the marketing and the themes of adventure and passion. There are plenty of things that they could do, things that excites the fanbase and fuels discussion, but still keep the tone that was in the first arc. But they don't take advantage of the vast, interesting universe the series is set in and settle in on mundane school and pointless cutaway scenes talking about...things. Say what you want about shows like Guilty Crown or other scifi animes, but they fuel a LOT of discussion and emotions, whether good or bad, because the world-building elements they introduce contribute greatly to a big plot. They even had some great things like the captain's UI or the corporate rebellion, except it's kinda just resolved or kind of just THERE with no further development. Apathy is death. I think the problem is also with the source material, so I can't blame the director for what he has to work with. -Sometimes I think they have their heads up their asses regarding the importance of some characters and activities, like Gruier popping up all the time. Take episode 8 and 14 for example, a lot of things we didn't need to see or things that didn't contribute much at all like Gruier at school, the car ride, or the new crew member search. -The focus is a bit lost when we have to switch back and forth between the crew and the schoolgirls. The biggest sin is not fleshing out the crew except for Kane. If you look at episode 1 through 26, which characters besides Marika grow or change by the time we reach 26? -Please reduce the number of anticlimaxes, it's not helping the show nor is it that clever. There are many ways to have a logical/reasonable climax and invigorate passion in the viewers rather than just "oh, everything's okay". I had fun watching the show and hope they take some criticisms to heart. And I hope that movie's not a recap, I want to see the 4-6 arc.

2012-06-30, 13:51	Link #3344
00Coyote Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	Two words to describe the final battle: Curb. Stomp. But a curb stomp in a stylish and sexy form fitting space suit. This was one of those battles where the victor was decided even before the two fleets entered the field. Marika had a plan, they prepared for that plan, they executed that plan. Quartz didn't really have a plan, just brought two additional ships, an amusing case where 'bring more gun' didn't really pay off. What did pay off big time for the pirates was Marika's idea to turn the Bentenmaru into a huge sensor relay. With the EW being synchronized from there, and the upgraded sensors, Marika allowed each pirate ship to be aware of the whole battlefield. She didn't have to bark orders to the other pirates, she gave them info and relied on their experience and let them cooperate as necessary to execute the plan. A much better idea than trying to micro-manage such a diverse and strong willed force. With the EW synchronized over the whole pirate fleet, that help keep all the ships unjammed and all their computers working, mitigate most of the incoming damage, and help predict the path that the Grand Cross fleet would take, allowing the pirates to plan accordingly and keep several steps ahead of Quartz. Flawless execution by Satelight, showing a strategic and tactical genius at work. Special props to the Barbarossa's B.A.M. (Big Ass Missile) taking out Grand Cross #2, and Mr. Spoon's bad ass tanking and agro management on Grand Cross #1. Too bad we didn't get to see Dracula in action though. While the Shangri-La's boarding action was impressive (no door? RAM EM!) the squad level action of the boarding party definitely fell into the category of 'generic action sequence' so it really wasn't anything impressive. All and all a nice (form) fitting (space suit) for Marika and her crew. While the movie announcement is great, I'm going to miss my weekly dose of Miniskirt Pirates.

2012-06-30, 14:17	Link #3347
Theo Morningstar is Burning... Join Date: Sep 2007	http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18213124 Okay, this was pretty good.

2012-06-30, 14:23	Link #3348
j4c06 Member Join Date: Jul 2011	"Boarding underway". This is priceless!

2012-06-30, 14:39	Link #3349
xizro345 King's Justice Join Date: Apr 2004	And so it has ended. I remember that this series had been on my radar since the original announcement, and I can say it has been a good ride. Probably one of the series I enjoyed more of this season. Looking forward to the movie.... if it doesn't end like a certain movie coughNadesicocough.

2012-06-30, 15:31	Link #3351
Theo Morningstar is Burning... Join Date: Sep 2007	Why do I get the feeling the movie's going to be plot original as well and deal with the aftermath of this arc?

2012-06-30, 18:00	Link #3356
Theo Morningstar is Burning... Join Date: Sep 2007	Wait, I got it. They're going to use those scenes from the OP where Chiaki and Marika are standing and the Bentenmaru is escaping from that star; the novels mentioned a red star. I hope.

2012-06-30, 19:47	Link #3359
encia Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: GMT 10+	Atleast the ending is not like Mass Effect 3 (before the big fix).

2012-06-30, 19:47	Link #3360
serenade_beta 天使な悪魔型 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for final thoughts: Just an awesome serious. The characters were great (Chiaki-chan ( ＾ω＾ )ﾍﾞﾛﾍﾞﾛ), the protagonist was great and likeable, and the story was interesting. Even the beach episode (not really) didn't feel like it was a waste/filler, like it usually would for other anime. The animation wasn't... that superb, but in general, it didn't go below average much. Though despite almost everything else was good, the OP/ED sucked... bad. Mainly that Momoiro Clover or whatever singer. Terrible. They had an ED where Marika's voice actor sang and she was great, so let's replace these with her! Not only that, but I don't get why they pronounce stuff like "Shi" as "Su". (Move your tongue a bit more?) __________________ -Tried to start a blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Yamaguchi Noboru, Author of Zero no Tsukaima (4/4/13)