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Old 2012-07-01, 00:15   Link #3601
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Well, he WAS trained in the use of a non-transformable mobile suit, after all, not a variable MS like the Aegis or the Savior.
Even so, none of the examples that I used has anything to do with whether or not his mobile suit can transform.
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Old 2012-07-01, 01:14   Link #3602
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It's because the Gundam design philosophy clashes with the design philosophy of ZAFT mobile suits, with the dome heads and monoeyes. It's been lampshaded in Astray before with the Freedom Gundam.
Maybe but they've been making Gundams for awhile. Besides, the guys that made the mass produced mobile suits aren't all the same guys that made the later ZAFT Gundams. That and they stole the Gundams at the start of SEED. So it makes sense that they would be interested in making their own Gundams considering how capable the Gundams ended up being compared to anything else ZAFT developed at that point.

Destiny also shifted away from their more unique mecha designs for mobile suits in SEED and started moving into a more uniformed ZAKU Warrior force with the Gundams as their top guns.
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Old 2012-07-01, 02:38   Link #3603
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How is it stupid? You even have a ZAFT Gundam for your Avatar.
I said I hated the fact ZAFT built and used Gundams. I never said I hated their designs. Providence Gundam, Chaos, Abyss, Savior, Impulse, all good designs. But still totally retarded that they were built by ZAFT.

I don't play that shit.
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Old 2012-07-01, 02:47   Link #3604
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What's even more retarded is how they didn't make more core splendors for Rey and Luna.... Minerva is a ship specialized for launching the impulse, but they don't actually take advantage and launch more core splendors.
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Old 2012-07-01, 02:49   Link #3605
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What's even more retarded is how they didn't make more core splendors for Rey and Luna.... Minerva is a ship specialized for launching the impulse, but they don't actually take advantage and launch more core splendors.
Blah, there's a complaint I have with the Impulse Gundam. In one of the episodes, like...5 minutes where spent showing all the pieces of the Impulse Gundam loading, and launching. It dragged on FOREVER.
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Old 2012-07-01, 03:48   Link #3606
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I said I hated the fact ZAFT built and used Gundams. I never said I hated their designs. Providence Gundam, Chaos, Abyss, Savior, Impulse, all good designs. But still totally retarded that they were built by ZAFT.

I don't play that shit.
It isn't stupid, they saw how powerful a Gundam was so they made their own. What would have been stupid is if they didn't make their own Gundams and tried making a bunch of failed mass produced mobile suits and armors like how the Earth Federation turned out in Destiny.
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Old 2012-07-01, 03:55   Link #3607
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Eh no, it's still just stupid. Never liked it, never will.
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Old 2012-07-01, 04:08   Link #3608
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Than that's that than.
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Old 2012-07-01, 05:43   Link #3609
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The sad thing is, the earth federation decided to stop making gundams, and instead steal ZAFT gundams, seeing how much trouble their own gundams gave themselves.
And it worked.
To a extent.
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Old 2012-07-01, 06:02   Link #3610
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It worked so well that they all died in the end by a Gundam.
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Old 2012-07-01, 09:37   Link #3611
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The sad thing is, the earth federation decided to stop making gundams, and instead steal ZAFT gundams, seeing how much trouble their own gundams gave themselves.
And it worked.
To a extent.
i think you forgot Destroy Gundam on the EF's side
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Old 2012-07-01, 11:41   Link #3612
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For me it's stupid because ZAFT = ZAKU... ZAKU don't need gundam...
(For me ZAFT = ZEON... At least at the beginning of SEED.)


And I hate the fact that ZAFT gundam was built mostly be orb people who run from it after SEED event... those traitors... betrayed the nation they born in...

I don't care if they are Coordinator it's like saying every American black guy must be loyal to Africa not USA specially since Orb never treated as second rate civilian...

And how they thanks the only Natural government that look at them as Orb civilian not as Coordinator?
They steal Orb technology and give it to ZAFT on a silver platter.
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Old 2012-07-01, 17:20   Link #3613
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I think he is trying to say, why did ZAFT model their prototypes after Federation's mobile suit. Ala why not build a Impulse Gundam that looks like a Zaku, kek.
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Old 2012-07-01, 17:43   Link #3614
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What Washu means is that something thinks that they're trying to remove any flaws and perceived wrongdoing from Kira so he's more like he was in Destiny, a "can't-do-wrong" type of character.
Exactly.

It'll be like Darth Vader's "NO!" added in the Blu-Ray version of Return of the Jedi, with fans claiming that Lucas is trying to make Vader more in-line with his prequel incarnation.
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Old 2012-07-01, 18:13   Link #3615
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I think he is trying to say, why did ZAFT model their prototypes after Federation's mobile suit. Ala why not build a Impulse Gundam that looks like a Zaku, kek.
That will be epic

At least they learn that with Age-3 (Gundam with vegan machine face instead of 100% Federation's /gundam copy.)
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Old 2012-07-01, 18:24   Link #3616
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I think he is trying to say, why did ZAFT model their prototypes after Federation's mobile suit. Ala why not build a Impulse Gundam that looks like a Zaku, kek.


http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/destiny-msv/zgmf-x101s.htm

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Old 2012-07-01, 22:47   Link #3617
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A lot of the concept designs ZAFT worked with before making the Impulse and Destiny were only in the side stories. The final design for Impulse/Destiny are the only ones that made it into the Anime, I guess they just really liked the Gundam look better. It also makes it easier to notice on the battlefield than the Zaku look.

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i think you forgot Destroy Gundam on the EF's side
The Destroy's were pretty much Mobile Armor in how they acted. Mix of Psycho and Big Zam, so it's no wonder when Shinn got his upgrade he took out a couple of them with ease and even told Rey and Lunamaria how to easily beat them too.
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Old 2012-07-02, 00:29   Link #3618
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Exactly.
Except, as I said, it doesn't work like that.
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Old 2012-07-02, 12:01   Link #3619
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The Destroy's were pretty much Mobile Armor in how they acted. Mix of Psycho and Big Zam, so it's no wonder when Shinn got his upgrade he took out a couple of them with ease and even told Rey and Lunamaria how to easily beat them too.
Standing on two legs blasting everything? i think that's pretty mobile suitish, seeing how Kira does it throughout most of Destiny, hell, every mobile suit does it in Destiny.

Landing hits on eachother seems to be a major problem though, Seed/Destiny pilots confirmed for cod fanboys?
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Old 2012-07-02, 17:34   Link #3620
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i think you forgot Destroy Gundam on the EF's side
Don't forget Verde Buster and Blu Duel. Two of the most beautiful Gundams ever to come out of the SEED universe.
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