[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 4 Alliance of the golden witch

[Asuka0NK]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Spoiler for Higurashi/Umineko:

Other way around. Hanyuu was a Piece of Featherine's that forgot her true nature when her horns were damaged. Featherine is so old that Lambdadelta is like an infant.

Then what about Hanyuu's past. Were those all lies. Also as I recall Lambda didn't have anything to do with Higurashi besides the fact that she granted Miyoko's wish to be a god. Also as I remember Hanyuu was the cruel gamemaster who trapped Bern in a logic error. This logic error being that Hanyuu lost all faith in it and thus the game couldn't continue if even the gamemaster gave up but Rika/Bern didn't and were able to keep the game going. I don't think Hanyuu and Featherine have much in common besides the fact they call others child of man but this may just be a thing that gods do as both Hanyuu and Featherine are gods.

[Kealym]

Don't think the EP4 thread is a good place to talk about that...

[AuraTwilight]

Then what about Hanyuu's past. Were those all lies.

Of course not. Think of it as incarnating a deity.

Which is, you know, what Hanyuu IS.

I don't think Hanyuu and Featherine have much in common besides the fact they call others child of man but this may just be a thing that gods do as both Hanyuu and Featherine are gods.

They also look the same, are deus ex machinas, and have relationships to Rika/Bernkastel.

[GreyZone]

People in Umineko described Higurashi as a novel. It is Battler's favorite novel and Lambda didn't read yet and doesn't want to get spoiled by Bern.

So: Higurashi paralells are just easter eggs and have nothing to do with the story.

[AuraTwilight]

Or Lambdadelta was Obfuscating Stupidity, which she does ALL THE TIME.

[GreyZone]

Did you know? Ronove wants to go to the caribbean. WHAT? Umineko must have some connection with "pirates of the carrabean"! I know it! Ronove is Jack Sparrow from today's times!

(whoops sorry for EP6 spoilers)

[AuraTwilight]

...The caribbean is a place that exists in the real world. You know that, right? Your analogy doesn't work.

[Total Casual]

I've just started reading Umineko in its entirety after reading Episodes 1-5 a few years ago and I've just finished Episode 1. Anyway, I remember from Ep. 4 in the world/storyline where Bernkastel recruits Ange, Eva somehow survived October 5, 1986.

I'm trying to come up with a legit theory of who kills who in Episode 1 and what troubles me is this:

Does Eva survive in every game storyline, i.e. is the Ange recruitment storyline the "true" story that follows every game storyline? If she does, I have to account for her faking her death in the closed room on Episode 1 Fifth Twilight. Bleh.

[Drifloon]

Eva dies at the second twilight in EP1, not the fifth. Also, the EP1 epilogue implies that the whole of that episode is a diary found in a message bottle written by "Ushiromiya Maria"; EP4 goes into more detail on this. If it conflicts with the truth by saying Eva died when she actually didn't, then that might say something about the assumptions and situation of the person who wrote it...

[AuraTwilight]

While Eva seems to have survived in the "true" reality of Ange's life, she dies in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th games.

[jjblue1]

Originally Posted by Total Casual

I've just started reading Umineko in its entirety after reading Episodes 1-5 a few years ago and I've just finished Episode 1. Anyway, I remember from Ep. 4 in the world/storyline where Bernkastel recruits Ange, Eva somehow survived October 5, 1986.

I'm trying to come up with a legit theory of who kills who in Episode 1 and what troubles me is this:

Does Eva survive in every game storyline, i.e. is the Ange recruitment storyline the "true" story that follows every game storyline? If she does, I have to account for her faking her death in the closed room on Episode 1 Fifth Twilight. Bleh.

No, Eva doesn't survive in each story. There's an explanation for this but to get it you've to advance to the following episodes or move your question to the spoiler thread as answering would involve other episodes.

[RandomAvatarFan]

Yeah, I think the best hints for Eva surviving in Ange's world but dying in the others can be explained by looking at certain things in EP1 and EP4 specifically. Remember the epilogue from Legend. EP1 ends with: When the Seagulls Cried, None Survived.

If Eva survived, then one can't say that "none" survived.

[GabrieliosP]

The exact same reason EP3 ends with "When the seagulls cry, there was one survivor".