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Old 2012-02-19, 09:19   Link #261
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I think, given the moral support our European brothers and sisters provided in the battle against SOPA, and acknowledging something of a battle fatigue, US users of this forum ought to pay a little more attention to the growing resistance movement in Europe against ACTA.

...which have expanded greatly in recent days, and already causing a number of EU countries to balk, including Germany and, more importantly, the center of the storm, Poland.

It is also very important for US citizens that ACTA has its teeth pulled out in Europe, because it will greatly lessen the importance and even the very legitimacy of this heinous treaty, already signed by the US in 2011, also by Japan, South Korea, and many other countries.

Europe, make us proud.
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Old 2012-02-20, 11:10   Link #262
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Hang in there, Europe. You can do it!

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Old 2012-02-22, 12:11   Link #263
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How the European Internet Rose Up Against ACTA

"Prime Minister Donald Tusk of Poland sent a letter to his fellow leaders in the EU
Friday urging them to reject ACTA, reversing Polandís course with the
controversial intellectual-property treaty, and possibly taking Europe with them."

See:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/02/europe-acta/

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EU suspends ACTA copyright treaty ratification:

"The European Commission, facing opposition in city streets, on the Internet and
in the halls of parliament, has suspended efforts to ratify a new international anti-
counterfeiting agreement, and instead will refer it to Europe's highest court to
see whether it violates any fundamental EU rights. "

See:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46479956...d_news-europe/
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Old 2012-02-22, 15:13   Link #264
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Originally Posted by http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/02/europe-acta/
"EU officials say the agreement will not change EU law. They insist what was legal pre-treaty would remain legal the day after, and what was illegal would remain illegal. But they have said the EU must ratify it as an example to other countries where intellectual property rights are less protected than they are in the EU in order to protect European products and ideas from being stolen elsewhere."
Wow, half-truths spoken like true politicians. Yeah...ACTA wouldn't change what is legal or illegal. But wait, isn't the law more than just a white/blacklist of things that are legal and illegal? Example of a law that would be changed: Currently in my country, the police needs a court order to force an ISP to reveal their client's information. After ACTA they would be forced to do so after just a claim from copyright holders.

Also, the motivation to ratify ACTA..."as an example to other countries". That is such a nice way of putting it. Like we were spreading the light of civilization to the pirate bays and barbarian marketplaces of the outside world. See how much more honest the prime minister of Poland is just because he actually needs to worry about voters and approval...
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Old 2012-02-22, 15:21   Link #265
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How about this:
The pre-treaty laws are already bad enough and we would like to revoke them at some point. At least I am voting for anyone who supports this.

So entering an international contract that cements those bad laws and makes changing them into a more reasonable IP legislation a foreign affairs issue with no hope of success is a no-go.

They should stop assuming that the current laws are there to stay.
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Old 2012-07-08, 03:21   Link #266
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I'm surprised no one bumped this after the European Parliament rejected the ACTA treaty.
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Old 2012-07-08, 07:57   Link #267
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Oh god, at first SOPA seemed bad.
But ACTA sends SOPA down the drain.
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Old 2012-07-08, 08:49   Link #268
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Oh god, at first SOPA seemed bad.
But ACTA sends SOPA down the drain.
ACTA was around before SOPA. It's wonderful that it's been soundly rejected by the Europeans, but I can guarantee that similar bills will continue to be made and put before the various governments. As someone on /. put it, 'the media groups (that create these laws) are like a sleazy guy trying to pick you up at a bar: they word the question differently each time in an effort to trick you, and they only need you to say "yes" once to f**k you.'

My worry is that, while bills like these are currently being rejected, there's still a surprising amount of support for them. The companies lobbying for them are also relentless. I can only think of two scenarios that come out in our favor:

1) Governments pass some sort of counter-initiative that would nullify all such laws

2) The media companies lose enough money to the point that they no longer hold such influence with the government

Neither seems particularly likely.
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Old 2012-07-08, 10:50   Link #269
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The media corporations are strong enough to last for decades more, as long as there are stupid people who will buy all the crap they spit out – and they seem to be growing in ever-increasing numbers, judging by what I hear on the radio nowadays.

So yeah, there will be a successor for ACTA, and eventually they will find a way to get one of those pesky treaties signed. They just have to sugarcoat all the nasty parts and make them intentionally vague. And it gets better (or worse, depending on your perspective) when a spokesperson for said corporations tells your representatives that it will only affect actual counterfeiting, and not digital piracy. And then, when it is signed, they'll throw a loophole at you through which they will sue your pants off for downloading a song or movie.
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