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Old 2012-06-30, 14:32   Link #5201
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The problem I have isn't with the loss itself. It would have been fine if he was able to hold his own a bit before she destroyed him. It's that he didn't even put up a fight. Kenichi has master class endurance. He took hits from Akisame and Apachai, who even if they were holding back, are far stronger than Miu. Yet she drops him like he has no stamina at all. It's like Matsuena depowered him purposely just to make Miu look better. All that build up in the chapter to show how Kenichi had grown and it's all swept under the rug with one fight. One month of training and she's suddenly so far ahead of Kenichi that it may as well be back at the beginning of the manga. He was closing the gap slowly after two years and now it's wider than its ever been. For Kenichi to close that gap would require a massive DEM on Matsuena's part because he's established that no matter how hard Kenichi trains, he won't be able to beat her. She'll just have to spend one day training and it'll wipe away a month of his easily.
As someone mentioned earlier, Kenichi was probably getting ready to go easy on her when they started sparring, in order to make sure he didn't hurt her. Plus, as the manga as already mentioned, Kenichi is a slow starter when it comes to fighting. When you combine these factors, plus Miu moving much better than she thought, it's not surprising what happened. Fighting has a rhyme to it, and Kenichi was one step behind from the get-go, and Miu just capatilized. These are all things that have been brought up before, Matsuena didn't 'suddenly' depower Kenichi.

As for Akisame and Apachai, in case you've forgotten, Master-class fighters can instantly calibrate the power of their attacks, so that doesn't count. Also, this wasn't a serious fight to the death, where if he loses, he dies, or even training with his masters, where he has to give his all. it was just a simple spar. In any case, like his bravery, Kenichi's endurance is only extraordinary when he is serious.

Saying that Kenichi needs a DEM to reach his goal is completely against the theme that the manga has been giving us, as I said before. Even if the goal is distant, Kenichi, being Kenichi will get there eventually. He's already better than Miu in some areas, he CAN catch up.

I suppose part of it was for comedic purposes as well. It's kind of funny for Kenichi to have this serious look on his face about beating Miu in a spar, o ly to get one-shotted

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And the Medaka comment wasn't a compliment. While I enjoy Medaka Box to an extent, I'm not a fan of Medaka and can't stand Mary Sues in general.
I know it wasn't a compliment, but I decided to take it as one anyway. Also, if you think Medaka is just a Mary Sue, I can only be sad at your shallow analysis of her character.

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@Fenrir: Not sure if there are any disciples that outclass him or not. It's hard to tell when the disciples have been relegated to the back-burner for so long as the masters took over the manga. We've been given nothing to gauge the power levels of the remaining disciples.
You should re-read the manga or something. We already have a fairly good idea of the strength of a disciple class fighter, judging from the abilities of the various ones we've seen, plus how well Kenichi does against them. Kenichi is pretty much a top class disciple, low level expert now. Compared to before, Kenichi can fight evenly against what we know are high level disciples without many problems, our being overwhelmed that badly. Besides, as the manga has mentioned, strength isn't something so clear cut anyway.
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Old 2012-06-30, 15:11   Link #5202
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Well, I'll be believe Kenichi can catch up to Miu when I see. Sadly, that'll be 1000 chapters and 20 years down the road... And he'll still be a disciple. As Matsuena has established it right now, if the Elder wasn't holding Miu back, there's no way Kenichi would be able to catch her. She progresses more in a month than he does in two years, readiness or not.

He's going to have a hell of a time explaining just how Kenichi becomes stronger than her in the end because with this chapter he basically established that talent is greater than hard work-- and someone who has talent AND works hard will basically be unstoppable.

And yeah, I figured it was mostly for comedic purposes after the whole "Kenichi's dead!" by Apachai. It's kind felt like Matsunea felt the need to castrate Kenichi there without any other purpose than thinking its funny (not a fan of the butt monkey trope.. Kenichi doesn't have much of it, but I never find all the pain and torture a lead character goes through, usually without cause, to be humorous).

Of course, part of my beef with this whole thing is that I haven't been really happy with the series since the DofD arc. As I mentioned previously, I'm a fan of the disciples, but since then, they've all been written off while the masters overshadow them. I understand that the disciple fights can't be the only focus, but it's also not fun when the story is focused around a group of bad guys the lead character and his side kicks can't even touch.
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Old 2012-06-30, 16:27   Link #5203
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Just read the chapter and minus the Miu and the Yomi stuff I could probably find quite a few chapters that were similar if not word for word. Was is it really necessary to name all the masters again? It's not like we can forget about them when they've run the show for quite some time now. All one can hope is that with this new Yomi threat Kenichi might actually get some real training like Miu received, but not holding my breath...

Also not sure some are surprised that Miu could wipe the floor with Kenichi. She always has and always will as long as the masters don't teach Kenichi squat and do everything for him...
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Old 2012-06-30, 16:42   Link #5204
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Of course, we can't forget the cheap drama that's going to come out of all this. The Elder and Kenichi hiding things from Miu for her own good... yeah, that's going to work out well. /sarcasm
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Old 2012-07-06, 10:02   Link #5205
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God...Kenichi's mother is such a fine MILF...I can never get tired of her. We need a spin-off series called "Shirahama Household!" staring Kenichi's Mom...and only her.
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Old 2012-07-06, 10:12   Link #5206
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I always thought kisara's subordinate was a guy.....
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and yes Kenichi's mother is IMO by far the hotest female in the series..
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Old 2012-07-06, 10:28   Link #5207
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It would be funny to see Ogata know about the meeting trough Rimi's blog .
That would be weird on so many levels.....

And a mom like that.... Damn.... Kenichi's dad is one lucky son of bitch.
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Old 2012-07-06, 10:30   Link #5208
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I always wonder if Kenchi mother is actually came from family of martial artists... her freaking body is shape as one..
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Old 2012-07-06, 10:44   Link #5209
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I always wonder if Kenchi mother is actually came from family of martial artists... her freaking body is shape as one..
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That theory has been around ever since her first appearance in the series.

They say "Look at the mother to see how a girl's gonna turn out at that age" well let me tell you that Tanimoto better hold on to Honoka cause she'll be hothothothot when she grows up.
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Old 2012-07-06, 11:57   Link #5210
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That make some time i didn't saw Sebastian and Kenichi family. XD
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Old 2012-07-06, 12:15   Link #5211
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Does this series take place in 2003 (around the time the series started publication)?
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Old 2012-07-06, 12:27   Link #5212
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Does this series take place in 2003 (around the time the series started publication)?
A year or so should have passed already but yes, I think so.
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Old 2012-07-06, 13:24   Link #5213
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Lol at the chapter..

The first thing in my mind after reading the chapter is...Kenichi mom is a babe wow...

And was funny to see the double date...

So, Kenichi and Ryuto are going to see each other..interesting, i wonder what they will talk.., and i wonder if Rimi is going to do something...

i want to see the Elder training...i hope it, is coming soon...Kenichi needs a new move...by the Elder
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Old 2012-07-06, 16:07   Link #5214
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I like to think Kenichi's dad is a mellowed out Golgo 13 that got finally reeled in by Kenichi's mom.

Which means she's badass.

LOL Kenichi's dad wants to meet Natsu introducing him to Sebastian. You can see his double standard when it comes to his son and daugther.

Dad reluctantly allows Kenichi do what he does as he sees he is growing up a fine man.

Honoka is girl any boy sniffing around her has a bullet reserved for them.
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Old 2012-07-06, 16:09   Link #5215
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Which means she's badass.
He is, even Shigure recognized his skills with the rifle when he tried to "rescue" Kenichi.
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Old 2012-07-07, 03:19   Link #5216
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Lol at the chapter..

The first thing in my mind after reading the chapter is...Kenichi mom is a babe wow...

And was funny to see the double date...

So, Kenichi and Ryuto are going to see each other..interesting, i wonder what they will talk.., and i wonder if Rimi is going to do something...

i want to see the Elder training...i hope it, is coming soon...Kenichi needs a new move...by the Elder
I'm looking forward to it too, will this be where Ryuuto finally breaks away from YOMI? I can't say he was ever truly loyal to them, since he created Ragnarok to oppose them.

And Rimi, you baka! Broadcasting his plans over the Internet, that's bound to get all three of them in hot water. I wouldn't be surprised if she also "crashed the party," so to speak.

And yes, more King Troll- uh I mean Elder Training. If Kenichi's going to fight Ogata himself somewhere down the line, he's gonna need all the hellish training he can get. Until then...
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Old 2012-07-08, 02:58   Link #5217
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So Kenichi is going to meet his old friend so what is he up to will they just talk or something else.
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Old 2012-07-08, 05:09   Link #5218
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I'm looking forward to it too, will this be where Ryuuto finally breaks away from YOMI? I can't say he was ever truly loyal to them, since he created Ragnarok to oppose them.

And Rimi, you baka! Broadcasting his plans over the Internet, that's bound to get all three of them in hot water. I wouldn't be surprised if she also "crashed the party," so to speak.

And yes, more King Troll- uh I mean Elder Training. If Kenichi's going to fight Ogata himself somewhere down the line, he's gonna need all the hellish training he can get. Until then...

I wonder about it...i mean..Rimi did it..so, what happen if Kensei is going to join in..or Rimi herself..interesting..i think that for Kenichi, is too soon fight against Berserker...Kenichi need training..by the Elder..
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Old 2012-07-08, 10:19   Link #5219
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Kenichi's father needs to appear more often...



Rofl!
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Old 2012-07-08, 11:00   Link #5220
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I wonder about it...i mean..Rimi did it..so, what happen if Kensei is going to join in..or Rimi herself..interesting..i think that for Kenichi, is too soon fight against Berserker...Kenichi need training..by the Elder..
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up. And Rimi's just made it too easy, this has the word "fiasco" written all over it. Though of course he will during a Kenichi-Berserker throwdown, announcing Berserker as his disciple. Yeah, that'll throw Kenichi's mind for a loop, before his body is as well. Oh yeah, it's gonna get real ugly real soon. Until then...
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