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Old 2012-07-08, 19:26   Link #541
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Its hard to think that lasers are far better than a bomb that has a blast yeild of 50 megatons of TNT. What does that aliens have that atomic bombs has little effect while 200mm bullets can?
Lasers travel at light speed. Effectively, dodging it would be very hard. 200mm bullets travel far far, slower.

Let's put it this way. The BETA have a crazy Missile Defense system.
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:27   Link #542
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BETA 1 (middle): Hey dude, you're still on the computer? It's getting late. What are you doing?
BETA 2 (left): Power-leveling. The guy with me is probably looking for porn as always.
BETA 3 (right): The heck? I'm farming too, you know. There's a spawn rate increase in the main server.
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:29   Link #543
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BETA 1: Hey dude, you're still on the computer? It's getting late. What are you doing?
BETA 2: Power-leveling.
I find the claw down there more weird...
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:34   Link #544
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Random Curiosity spoke highly of Muv Luv and got my anticipation up for this series but so far it feels like a standard mecha anime. Three episode rule still applies, and it looks the story is gonna pick up next week.
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:39   Link #545
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Oh man, I know more people were wowed by the Takemikazuchi, but I screamed like a little mecha-fangirl when that Shiranui appeared. The Type-94 is my favorite Muv-Luv TSF and probably one of my favorite mech designs ever.
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:44   Link #546
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To judge as a pure mecha show, the action isn't very convincing. The so called TSFs are not being used in a manner that necessitate their position as the primary weapon against BETAs. They are mostly gun platforms at close range with redundant armour and not used in anyway that makes them more effective than eg tanks.

Once I get over these issues, and just consider this as a story about a big struggle against an alien horde, not a bad show so far.
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Old 2012-07-08, 19:59   Link #547
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My favorite part of this episode was not much the deaths, the NOMNOMNOM, or the mech. It is Yui breaking down crying when she see that this small miracle of a baby. This baby is like showing her what she is fighting, and might die,for; this helping to affirm her resolve that, "NO! Humans WILL NOT go down without a fight."
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Old 2012-07-08, 20:05   Link #548
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To judge as a pure mecha show, the action isn't very convincing. The so called TSFs are not being used in a manner that necessitate their position as the primary weapon against BETAs. They are mostly gun platforms at close range with redundant armour and not used in anyway that makes them more effective than eg tanks.

Once I get over these issues, and just consider this as a story about a big struggle against an alien horde, not a bad show so far.
Well judging from how the episode goes, the series throws away the more reliable and much more preferred military technology over the TSFs. Well, it can't be helped. It's not like military tactics realism is the main feature of this series.
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Old 2012-07-08, 20:43   Link #549
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My favorite part of this episode was not much the deaths, the NOMNOMNOM, or the mech. It is Yui breaking down crying when she see that this small miracle of a baby. This baby is like showing her what she is fighting, and might die,for; this helping to affirm her resolve that, "NO! Humans WILL NOT go down without a fight."
Yui's break down lost a lot of its impact because the horrors she witnessed were not shown, just implied... unless one counts the tragic fall of a 1200 year old capital, poor Greeks and Chinese when they witnessed Romans and Mongols overrunning 3000 year old capitals, and watching afterwards refugee babies getting born

Dunno, it's kind of unfair that this airs on the same day as Jinrui... it's very hard to take it seriously, after that nihilistic feast
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Old 2012-07-08, 20:50   Link #550
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Spoiler for ep2:
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Old 2012-07-08, 20:56   Link #551
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Yui's break down lost a lot of its impact because the horrors she witnessed were not shown, just implied... unless one counts the tragic fall of a 1200 year old capital, poor Greeks and Chinese when they witnessed Romans and Mongols overrunning 3000 year old capitals, and watching afterwards refugee babies getting born

Dunno, it's kind of unfair that this airs on the same day as Jinrui... it's very hard to take it seriously, after that nihilistic feast
And they say that this is a season of bad anime.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:11   Link #552
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Spoiler for ep2:
No point for spoiler tags... the episode has already aired in the american webspace

... and I agree the opening was pretty bad, but the singer is quite hot IRL

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And they say that this is a season of bad anime.
I guess if hipsters watch some tits, discard everything as the crappy porn they watched in their childhood... anyway, since I was somewhat negative about this anime... I like it, it has way too many good elements, a large budget, a lot of source material, and 2 cours to work the story pace with comfort. But censoring and extra the extra material were very bad choices IMHO. To my understanding the franchise is not for kids anyway
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:30   Link #553
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I guess if hipsters watch some tits, discard everything as the crappy porn they watched in their childhood... anyway, since I was somewhat negative about this anime... I like it, it has way too many good elements, a large budget, a lot of source material, and 2 cours to work the story pace with comfort. But censoring and extra the extra material were very bad choices IMHO. To my understanding the franchise is not for kids anyway
No. I agree with you that there are quite a few genuinely bad series out there this season, (Dekenai is one egregious offender). The Harem Hill Column from the blog Moe Sucks, in particular is doing a good job of lampooning that sorry lot of fan-service.

But at the same time, Muv Luv Eclipse has the misfortune of going up against Rinne no Laagan (another mecha), Sword Art Online (The Block Buster anime of this season). Humanity is Declining (this season's replacement of Tsuritaima), etc, all on the same day. So this season isn't as weak as some might have argued initially. We have a Tsuritaima in Humanity is Declining. Rendezvous nicely replaces Apollon. Bimbi is this season's Nyaruko-san. Tari Tari fills up the same role Natsuro Kiseki had last season. Etc, etc. So, there is curd this season, as in every season, but there are also animes ranging from adequately good (Tari Tari) to excellent (Rendezvous and Humanity is declining), and unfortunately, Eclipse so far leans closer to the Tari Tari end of the spectrum of watchability, and suffers from poorer production values than the CGI Porn-fest that was SAO's first episode.

And certainly, there has been quite a good deal of unnecessary fanservice, and rather disappointing production values for Total Eclipse. And yet, censoring? It's almost as if they are banking on the girls, not on the grimness of the setting to sell Muv Luv, even if Muv Luv is all about throwing boys and girls who could have crawled out from mangas like Danshi Nichijou or K-on, Slice of Life show like Kokoro Connect, or Natsuro Kiseki, and Harem Protagonist and Haremettes from the Harem shows airing this season, into a world rivalling Warhammer 40K in grimdarkness.

In another world, the first episode girls would not have been out of place as the cast of a Slice of Life or Rom-com show, and I think that was the whole point of the first episode. Feeding Slice of Life fodder into the BETA om-nom nom nom machine slaughter fest of the Second. basically tells you all you need to know about Muv Luv. It's hell on earth for characters who would not be out of place in another genre, set on a gentler earth. It's the feeding of the personifications of moe and harem tropes into mouths of the BETAs - the Tall Dark Bishojou Ojou begged for her death, the Meganekko who lost her boyfriend went Sayaka Crazy etc, etc . And the first two episodes basically declares this premise with a not too subtle trumpet.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:38   Link #554
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Do realise that even the big titles have to censor gore scenes as well. Blame the tv restrictions.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:39   Link #555
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Lasers travel at light speed. Effectively, dodging it would be very hard. 200mm bullets travel far far, slower.

Let's put it this way. The BETA have a crazy Missile Defense system.
Well, they can make things easier by hunting down the laser class first, but considering that the Lux and Magnus are both protected by the entire horde, the outdated Type-82 Zuikaku and F-4J Gekishin aren't really suited for the job. Which makes me wonder where the Type-94s are. Maybe they tried, but got annihilated anyway?


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Oh man, I know more people were wowed by the Takemikazuchi, but I screamed like a little mecha-fangirl when that Shiranui appeared. The Type-94 is my favorite Muv-Luv TSF and probably one of my favorite mech designs ever.
Nope, you're not the only one who likes the Shiranui. It might be the unit with the lowest performance among the third generation machines, but it has a charm of its own. Now that I think about it, we didn't get to see more Type-94s in the battle of kyoto.

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Do realise that even the big titles have to censor gore scenes as well. Blame the tv restrictions.
I thought that was a common knowledge already? I remember Ga-Rei when it first aired, and they censored the gory parts too. I'm sure the BD version will fix that anyway.



I thought the anti-laser smoke will help, but no. It's wasn't nearly useful as the heave-metal clouds. As for the imperial navy, the admirals that showed up seemed familiar.

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Old 2012-07-08, 21:39   Link #556
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And certainly, there has been quite a good deal of unnecessary fanservice, and rather disappointing production values for Total Eclipse. And yet, censoring?
Things change censorship rules.

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In another world, the first episode girls would not have been out of place as the cast of a Slice of Life or Rom-com show, and I think that was the whole point of the first episode. Feeding Slice of Life fodder into the BETA om-nom nom nom machine basically tells you all you need to know about Muv Luv. It's hell on earth for characters who would not be out of place in another genre, set on a gentler earth. It's the feeding of walking moe and harem tropes into mouths of the BETAs.
That was quite a sadistic message there.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:41   Link #557
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That was quite a sadistic message there.
This is the message of Muv-Luv, even someone who never heard anything about it could probably gather as much. Indeed, should Muv Luv get it's own forum, and fanfiction threads, I anticipate the trend would be similar to ZnT crossovers. In ZnT crossovers, you replace the generic harem wimp with another character. In Muv Luv fanfiction crossovers, I'd imagine you'd see Harem wimps and Slice of Life girls being fed to the BETAs!
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:50   Link #558
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Nerf laser class plox. Too OP, oneshotting my vikings TSFs. Wonder if Takemizakuchi will get blown up as easily as the other mechs by these bastards...

Which reminds me, what the heck did they do to counter laser class when they're already flying planes 3 years later? Hope they'll explain it next episode.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:52   Link #559
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Nerf laser class plox. Too OP, oneshotting my vikings TSFs. Wonder if Takemizakuchi will get blown up as easily as the other mechs by these bastards...

Which reminds me, what the heck did they do to counter laser class when they're already flying planes 3 years later? Hope they'll explain it next episode.
Did anyone count how much of the squad was slaughtered by lasers? You know, take away the lasers, and I think much of the unit would have survived, instead of the near Total party Kill of Episode 2.
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Episode 2

I've seen a male soldier at last....

*BETA RUSH

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