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Old 2012-07-08, 18:02   Link #18941
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You guys just insinuated that Touma will kill Madoka. HERESY!!
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Old 2012-07-08, 18:06   Link #18942
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Well, it's a dirty job but someone has to do it... >.>
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Old 2012-07-08, 20:59   Link #18943
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Oh wait a minute. Touma can't kill Madoka. She's not a goddess, she's a Law of the Universe. A sentient concept.
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:11   Link #18944
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Oh wait a minute. Touma can't kill Madoka. She's not a goddess, she's a Law of the Universe. A sentient concept.
...Really? You're bringing that up here in this series where everybody is looking to rewrite the Laws of the Universe =_= ?
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Old 2012-07-08, 21:20   Link #18945
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...Really? You're bringing that up here in this series where everybody is looking to rewrite the Laws of the Universe =_= ?
Because Madoka rewrote the Laws of the Universe as well! If anything, she's just another awakened esper it just so happens Touma can't touch her.

So she can't get broken in exchange for not affecting Touma. So if Touma made a contract with Kyuubei and became a masou shoujo, Madoka can't protect him.
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Old 2012-07-09, 00:08   Link #18946
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For one, Goddess Madoka is being a benevolent existence and concept, so Touma wouldn't want to mess with her.

If anything, having her as an ally would blow Touma's mind even more so than the thought of having to destroy her.

I haven't thought much about him seeing Hyouka appearing as an ally that went to fight freaking Archangel Gabriel on a somewhat even footing, but knowing Touma, and applying the same thought process on Madoka as well, he'd rather deliver his fist personally to whoever is causing trouble than having Madoka deal with it.

Just my two cents.

Oh, and another thought crosses my mind.

Touma, being the cosmic plaything, wouldn't be so happy to know it was Madoka who was playing with his luck just because she finds him cute that way.

Spoiler for Suddenly, IDEAS!:


... I really should write that in the fanfiction thread...
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Old 2012-07-09, 02:00   Link #18947
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On an unrelated note, going through Volume 4. Touma's confrontation with his father brought upon manly tears.....
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Old 2012-07-09, 02:46   Link #18948
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It's not like IB can't negate an abstract concept, it just needs need some way to "hold" it (like when it's present on a physical object ... CF : like with Princess God-san). But even so, something like Madokami is something too much for the current Toaruverse as it is ... she's ... well ... something you can't just mess up with easily (unless you're Kami Tenchi or LoN Level that is) >.> ... I don't know about 50:50-chan or the God Broke Tier characters when serious though

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... I really should write that in the fanfiction thread...
Gladly welcome it, ToaruXPMMM are always some sweet for the eyes fics.
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Old 2012-07-09, 03:02   Link #18949
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I'm certain if she does nothing, none of these guys would care about her.

Except maybe Aiwass, the one who would see the value in trolling her.
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Old 2012-07-09, 04:32   Link #18950
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It's not like IB can't negate an abstract concept, it just needs need some way to "hold" it (like when it's present on a physical object ...
I think you've have the right idea - He could probably affect Madoka, but she'd have to actually appear before him first.

And even then, I get the feeling it wouldn't destory her, but destory her 'wish'


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But even so, something like Madokami is something too much for the current Toaruverse as it is ... she's ... well ... something you can't just mess up with easily (unless you're Kami Tenchi or LoN Level that is) >.> ... I don't know about 50:50-chan or the God Broke Tier characters when serious though
What, you think that not technically existing on this plane of reality is some kind of protection? Really? With spells like Queen of the Fleet, and characters whose goals are to become God+, I don't think goddess Madoka would be safe if someone came gunning for her.
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Old 2012-07-09, 04:50   Link #18951
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You know, even though we call Madoka a 'Goddess', she's not actually God- but in the Toaruverse she's probably an 'Angel', in the sense that... Hmmm, how do I describe this... Remember the conversation between Fiamma and Crowley about how Angels represent an 'Element' of the Universe?

Yeah, something like that.
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Old 2012-07-09, 05:38   Link #18952
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You guy's a way off topic =p
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Old 2012-07-09, 06:00   Link #18953
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Madoka and Aiwass having tea. My brain.
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Old 2012-07-09, 06:06   Link #18954
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but who is this Madoka?
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Old 2012-07-09, 10:34   Link #18955
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What, you think that not technically existing on this plane of reality is some kind of protection? Really? With spells like Queen of the Fleet, and characters whose goals are to become God+, I don't think goddess Madoka would be safe if someone came gunning for her.
As I already said, I don't know about the others However, I don't think something like Queen of the Fleet would represent any harm for that kind of being (since there's no trace of her in this world to begin with). And yes, existing in a higher plane is a very effective protection, you can't touch it unless you're in the same plane of existence.
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You know, even though we call Madoka a 'Goddess', she's not actually God- but in the Toaruverse she's probably an 'Angel', in the sense that... Hmmm, how do I describe this... Remember the conversation between Fiamma and Crowley about how Angels represent an 'Element' of the Universe?

Yeah, something like that.
Meh, from an other POV she's somewhat the incarnation of what Aleister is aiming for ...
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Old 2012-07-09, 15:35   Link #18956
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but who is this Madoka?
Well, I think they mean Madoka from Mahou Shoujo Puella Madoka. You know!? The deconstruction of typical magical girl shows. I don't want to say more since what happens to Madoka at the end of the show is a spoiler.
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Old 2012-07-09, 16:06   Link #18957
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I dont think Aliester want that, at all a fate worse than dead thats what madoka got out of it.
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Old 2012-07-09, 19:46   Link #18958
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Anyone thought of [Angel Fall]-ing Madoka ?

(In concept at least.)
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Old 2012-07-09, 23:52   Link #18959
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Sadly I am fiercy lowal to 3 entities

Kazaka (Slayers)
Kamichi
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>> My thats they 3 Kings.

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Old 2012-07-10, 02:27   Link #18960
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Kazaka (Slayers)
Kamichi
Kinoko Nasu

>> My thats they 3 Kings.
Xellos/Phibrizzo-san I knew we had something in common.....
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He did not have the fortune needed to run a nation.
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He did not have the unbelievable power of a Level 5.
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