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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 40
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... 17 34.69%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 9 18.37%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 10 20.41%
7 out of 10: Good... 5 10.20%
6 out of 10: Average... 3 6.12%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 2 4.08%
4 out of 10: Poor... 2 4.08%
3 out of 10: Bad... 0 0%
2 out of 10: Very Bad... 1 2.04%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 0 0%
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Old 2012-07-15, 10:44   Link #61
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so is it okay to say that

Flit = Avenger ( Avenging all the things that Vagan had done to him/ the earth)
No, that is really far from truth.

Actually Flit fight to protect but the anime didn't do him justice
It only show that he want to eliminate the Vegan but never show why he decide todo that and make him look like a revenger when it really isn't.

The novel of Asemu Arc show his inner thought which never be portrayed in the anime.
His reason to decide to eliminate the Vegan is "to protect everyone on earth whom he think of them like his family"
And there are no revenge issues for Yurin, his mother or anyone else concerning in this. It just a pure fight to protect.

Some may think his method is harsh but that's because he relly see them as a threat.
It's just like what he said to Olfenoa "You can't protect anything without fighting for it"

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Old 2012-07-15, 11:24   Link #62
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Is it just me, or Fram's MS is referencing on a "Magical Girl" setting? O_o
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Old 2012-07-15, 11:53   Link #63
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There is the purpose of also differing from three persons, respectively, and future deployment is visible naturally.
Frit:
Since many important persons were also taken by the Veigan, a Veigan's annihilation is the purpose.

Asem:
In order to protect an important person, a battle is not avoided, but he does not want the federation and Veigan to win.
Both are attacked and postponing a problem has been continued for 13 years.

Kio:
Although not necessarily betrayed, since feeling has moved also to the enemy, the battle which is not killed is started.
There is still no clear thought in since it is a child.
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Old 2012-07-15, 11:55   Link #64
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Guess this episode answers the question of the AGE-3's fate. They won't restore it so they could finally scrap the AGE-1. They will just equip the AGE-1 with a new wear. Guess it almost makes sense since AGE-3 was built mainly for fighting on Earth. I don't know if it was just due to Kio sucking in space, but the AGE-3 didn't particularly do well in space and Orbital sacrificed too much power for mobility.
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:05   Link #65
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Actually Flit fight to protect but the anime didn't do him justice
It only show that he want to eliminate the Vegan but never show why he decide todo that and make him look like a revenger when it really isn't.
It's the first season that sets his character for the rest and most people tend to choose to ignore all the things and decisions he made for rawr rawr rawr in S2 and S3

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In order to protect an important person, a battle is not avoided, but he does not want the federation and Veigan to win.
Both are attacked and postponing a problem has been continued for 13 years.
That's just ridiculous.

Darth Sidious instigated the Clone Wars and played both sides, keeping one side from beating the other, in order to draw it out as long as possible to kill as many Jedi as possible. Does that make him a good person? Hell, I'm willing to call him a war mongerer as war is good for business.

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Although not necessarily betrayed, since feeling has moved also to the enemy, the battle which is not killed is started.
There is still no clear thought in since it is a child.
I haven't seen the episode but I'm assuming he's just disabling the units?

If he's going to go that route then he should make an effort to capture the units themselves. This would prevent them from getting into a new unit and then killing more people later down the road. It would also allow him to speak his case and the truth.

But we can't have that now can we?
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:10   Link #66
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that chick in the pod... A Yurin clone?
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:12   Link #67
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I wouldn't say the Orbital sacrificed power. Its Sigmasis Long Rifle was still able to punch through the EM Armor of the most powerful mass-production mobile suit at the time, and it had homing shots to boot. Add in the mobility and the beam sabers and the Orbital can still be a force to be reckoned with.
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:19   Link #68
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but in our world, the ones on the right spectrum favor war or have known to start wars. so wouldnt be flit on the right and kio on the left?
not to mention that one of the most historically known groups to commit genocide, the national socialist party of germany, is a facist government. facism is the direct antithesis of socialism which means they are actually on the right end of the political spectrum.
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:22   Link #69
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It's seem that a lot of people think that Kio = Kira... But I don't think so, why?
Simple:
kira only try to spare soldiers who attack other soldier>> Attack civilian = free death sentence from Kira (Stella).
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:26   Link #70
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It's seem that a lot of people think that Kio = Kira... But I don't think so, why?
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kira only try to spare soldiers who attack other soldier>> Attack civilian = free death sentence from Kira (Stella).
But Kira did not stab the cockpit directly...
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:28   Link #71
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That's a political myth. Even in the USA democrats have started more wars than republicans have.

In other parts of the world, the left are outright more hawkish than the right. This is due to the fact that in general war is bad for business and so the right like to stay the heck out of them.

But in any case I don't think they actually fit into any political spectrum in general.
war is bad for business? uhh the military industrial complex, dick cheney, and the heads of halliburton would like to have a word with you.

business thrives on war.

here's some quotes from War is a Racket, written by US Marine Major General Smedley Butler

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Some info on the guy that wrote those words:

During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. By the end of his career, he had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only man to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
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Old 2012-07-15, 12:36   Link #72
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war is bad for business? uhh the military industrial complex, dick cheney, and the heads of halliburton would like to have a word with you.

business thrives on war.

here's some quotes from War is a Racket, written by US Marine Major General Smedley Butler

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Some info on the guy that wrote those words:

During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. By the end of his career, he had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only man to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
Right. Its basically good for a select few industries. But terrible from a macroeconomics perspective.

Basically, Halliburton might have profited, but we're still paying the price from an economics standpoint.
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Old 2012-07-15, 13:03   Link #73
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But Kira did not stab the cockpit directly...
He did strike at Stella cockpit when she start killing civilian.
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Old 2012-07-15, 13:11   Link #74
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Right. Its basically good for a select few industries. But terrible from a macroeconomics perspective.

Basically, Halliburton might have profited, but we're still paying the price from an economics standpoint.
No we're not, the current economic recession that we're in wasn't started by the wars, but the bursting of the housing bubble, something that was on the periphery. What got the US out of the great depression wasn't the New Deal, but the entry into WWII that spurred industry on as a whole.

However, your premise was that businesses want to stay away from wars, which is patently false. Wars on a whole are started as a means of gaining market access. When a country subjugates another country this is a means of gaining a new market to sell products to. The Opium Wars were all about gaining access into the Chinese market, the Crusades were really about the spice trade, US colonization in the late 1800s early 1900s were about finding new markets because of the industrial revolution.

War is ALWAYS about money, and it's businesses and business interests that try to spur us into war. Even the war on terror fundamentally is about business interests, particularly Osama Bin Laden's motivation wasn't that he hates western ideology, but the economic interference bred by the US' Israel policy. All that religious fanaticism is to get cannon fodder to fight, just like how the Crusaders said it was about trying to get the Holy Land from the muslims, how WWI was about the assassination of the arch duke, or how the US was primarily in the war to avenge Pearl Harbor.
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Old 2012-07-15, 13:14   Link #75
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So, the final arc begins...

1. Kio is sold on his naive Kira-style no kill policy. While it's hard to disagree with the policy overall, I still say it's naive.
2. Flit = kill them all...guess he just doesn't age well enough. Technically his policy is the only thing that can truly end the fight.
3. Asemu = Screw both side, I'll strip both sides of eventually everything so no one can fight anymore. Of course, that is, if he doesn't take all of those power and use it himself . No wonder Vegan and Feddie will fight for 100 years.
4. Fram with Farsia Mk-II next episode. Will see how long she survived out there.
5. FA AGE-1, and I still don't understand why Flit doesn't build himself a new Gundam with all his power...
6. And the "Super-clone" appear, and Zeheart will sooner or later not be "the annointed one" anymore.
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Old 2012-07-15, 13:26   Link #76
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not to mention that one of the most historically known groups to commit genocide, the national socialist party of germany, is a facist government. facism is the direct antithesis of socialism which means they are actually on the right end of the political spectrum.
Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung, all killed a hell of a lot more people than the Nazis and they were as far left on the spectrum as you can go.


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So, the final arc begins...

1. Kio is sold on his naive Kira-style no kill policy. While it's hard to disagree with the policy overall, I still say it's naive.
2. Flit = kill them all...guess he just doesn't age well enough. Technically his policy is the only thing that can truly end the fight.
3. Asemu = Screw both side, I'll strip both sides of eventually everything so no one can fight anymore. Of course, that is, if he doesn't take all of those power and use it himself . No wonder Vegan and Feddie will fight for 100 years.
4. Fram with Farsia Mk-II next episode. Will see how long she survived out there.
5. FA AGE-1, and I still don't understand why Flit doesn't build himself a new Gundam with all his power...
6. And the "Super-clone" appear, and Zeheart will sooner or later not be "the annointed one" anymore.
Flit's way is not going to end the war, it's just going to make it worse.
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Uh when one side has been destroyed then usually the war ends that way. I mean you can't fight a war when one side has been defeated.

Of course, this war hasn't been fought like all other wars since it's just one big test so Flit's way wouldn't end well.

In any case the way the show is set up is that all three will have to work together to end this war and be the saviour for both sides. I mean they covered all sides of the spectrum pretty well.

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Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung, all killed a hell of a lot more people than the Nazis and they were as far left on the spectrum as you can go.
60 million people were killed in WWII which was started by Hitler's ambitions so I wouldn't say he was surpassed and his resulted in a lot more destruction world-wide.
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Left vs Right is irrelevant. Politial science has a circle theory where the extremes right wing/left wing movements really become on and the same with hardly conspicuous differences
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Uh when one side has been destroyed then usually the war ends that way. I mean you can't fight a war when one side has been defeated.

Of course, this war hasn't been fought like all other wars since it's just one big test so Flit's way wouldn't end well.

In any case the way the show is set up is that all three will have to work together to end this war and be the saviour for both sides. I mean they covered all sides of the spectrum pretty well.



60 million people were killed in WWII which was started by Hitler's ambitions so I wouldn't say he was surpassed and his resulted in a lot more destruction world-wide.
A big portion of those losses were thanks to our peaceful Japanese friends who killed around 20 million people all over Asia. As for Stalin, he made Hitler look like an amateur at killing innocents. Stalin's reign of terror against his own people, i.e not because of WWII( gulags, deportations, executions, planned famines, etc) is estimated to have caused no less than 15 million lives. Some estimate as much as 60 million.

Hitler's body count is ~ 6-7 million, and blaming the war solely on him is stupid. The war is a direct result of European arrogance who against US objections, decided to humiliate Germany and make them pay reparations for WWI.
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Old 2012-07-15, 15:14   Link #80
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Jesus Christ, I know theres going to be trouble when someone call Flit leftist... Lets not dig too deep into this, shall we ?

But if someone enjoy arguing, then feel free to carry on.


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He did strike at Stella cockpit when she start killing civilian.
Not really, thats the body cannon thingy. Her cockpit just happened to be nearby.

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