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Old 2012-07-22, 17:19   Link #10121
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Wow. This chapter was incredibly boring, for some reason.

And Medaka is a freakin' idiot.
Well Duh.

This isn't her only moment of idiocy
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:28   Link #10122
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It's not even the fact that's she's playing by the rules is moronic. Fact of the matter is this pride stuff is bullshit. I don't care who you are, who in there right mind would purposefully put someone in danger let alone their loved onwa life just because they want to save them. Either she really wants to find out what happened to her father or her morality is fucked up.

Aijimu was a sure fire, near 100% success rate of saving Zenkichi, you don't risk someones life when there's a safer method that you know is safer just because of a personal pride. You can risk most things but not someone elses life. I wouldn't think to fondly of someone I was in a relationship with risking my life just so they can they can save and I'm pretty sure the feeling would be mutual.
It's not like most cases where the person actually believes they have a better chance of saving them e.g running into a burning buildings. She knows full well she's risking his life based on her pride.

Ofcourse this is all because of the story breaking god of hax that is aijimu and so the author had to turn Medaka into an idiot of questionable morality to keep this arc going but still this situation is so messed up. there better be another reason as to why she's doing this because as it stands, it's not simply a matter of being stupid. It's more dangerously almost messed up in the head.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:31   Link #10123
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It's not even the fact that's she's playing by the rules is moronic. Fact of the matter is this pride stuff is bullshit. I don't care who you are, who in there right mind would purposefully put someone in danger let alone their loved onwa life just because they want to save them. Either she really wants to find out what happened to her father or her morality is fucked up.

Aijimu was a sure fire, near 100% success rate of saving Zenkichi, you don't risk someones life when there's a safer method because of a personal pride. You can risk most things but not someone elses life. I wouldn't think to fondly of someone I was in a relationship with risking my life just so they can they can save and I'm pretty sure the feeling would be mutual.
It's not like most cases where the person actually believes they have a better chance of saving them e.g running into a burning buildings.

Ofcourse this is all because of the story breaking god of hax that is aijimu and so the author had to turn Medaka into an idiot of questionable morality to keep this arc going but still this situation is so messed up.
She wants to be the one to save Zenkichi, because she's in love with him.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:33   Link #10124
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She wants to be the one to save Zenkichi, because she's in love with him.
Yeah that reasoning doesn't work. If she's in love with him she'd want him to be alive, full stop. Unless your going to argue she'd rather him be dead than not be the one to save him. It's not even like she's after his affection he freaking proposed to her.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:40   Link #10125
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Kurosu@ Why I understand her and you're point here ....I have to agree with Tenchi Hou Take on this one.
Honestly not matter how you look at it,that was pretty stupid from her.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:42   Link #10126
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"She's so smart she becomes stupid"

Zenkichi telling Shiranui about Medaka during chapter 3.

That foolishness is one of the traits of Medaka I like the most, because it makes her human.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:45   Link #10127
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I do not agree that the Medaka do it is incorrect.
Medaka is most worried about Zen - in the end she loves him.
Let's look logically.
Opponents released from captivity Ajimu.
That's their strategy. Their initiative.
They look like idiots to let free to armed enemy that will destroy them?
I do not think.
While Zen is in hostages Medaka will be forced to play someone else's game.
She will not risk Zen life.

Why did you decide that Anshin'in-san better? Medaka says is correct - save the Zen it is my work. In the end, Medaka won all why she should entrust the salvation of Zen the other girl. I'm not about jealousy. I'm talking about professional quality.

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Old 2012-07-22, 17:47   Link #10128
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During Flask Plan Medaka injected herself not once but TWICE a syringe Kujira gave her without even not caring about its content nor what it would do her.

She's simply as described; so smart she reverts back to stupid. She has been that way since the day she was born.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:48   Link #10129
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I do not agree that the Medaka do it is incorrect.
Medaka is most worried about Zen - in the end she loves him.
Let's look logically.
Opponents released from captivity Ajumi.
That's their strategy. Their initiative.
They look like idiots to let free to armed enemy that will destroy them?
I do not think.
While Zen is in hostages Medaka will be forced to play someone else's game.
She will not risk Zen life.
Aijimu is a near omnipotent god, which even their trapping would have failed. They had jack shit for her hence why they relying precisely on Medaka's idiosy to keep this farce going.

Regardless of how you look at it it was a terrible choice. For goodness sake if Aijimu was going all out she can even manipulate time.

That's why the author had to use this plot device to keep her in check.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:50   Link #10130
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Yeah that reasoning doesn't work. If she's in love with him she'd want him to be alive, full stop. Unless your going to argue she'd rather him be dead than not be the one to save him. It's not even like she's after his affection he freaking proposed to her.
I'm being facetious, it's an illogical reason regardless. She knows she'll be able to save him, and that they'll be able to save him if Ajimu did it,
but she just wants to be the one to do it. Because love. And that's stupid. Because it's love.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:52   Link #10131
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Honestly...I wouldn't mind Zen dying (though he is one of my favorite characters) and staying dead (Not even Ajimu could bring him back for some reason) if it taught Medaka a lesson.

Something like, the card Zen is trapped in ends up being destroyed by Momo in a rage after she loses to Medaka in her little game, which in turn makes it so the body ceases to exist and for some reason every skill Ajimu has of resurrection requires the body. Medaka learns this, is broken and just to be an epic troll Ajimu tells her that it would have never happened if she had let her pride aside and let her take care of things.

Something along those lines...
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:52   Link #10132
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Why making a fuss? Medaka is simply dumb, that's it, so smart yet so dumb.

And again, some of you are jumping the bandwagon without waiting for things to unfold and know the reasons for her choices.
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Old 2012-07-22, 17:58   Link #10133
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Why making a fuss? Medaka is simply dumb, that's it, so smart yet so dumb.

And again, some of you are jumping the bandwagon without waiting for things to unfold and know the reasons for her choices.
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Old 2012-07-22, 18:04   Link #10134
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Indeed, letting Ajimu do all the job would soon end this in a matter of seconds.

However, the estipulation Medaka added in the rules for this game makes me suspect she is planning something else. Why one hour? Whatever is the reason behind, it seems as allowing Ajimu take part in it would mess up with what she's planning to do.
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Old 2012-07-22, 18:38   Link #10135
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You know this game could last even days, right? The added estipulation makes this Shiritori the longest syllabic wordplay. And in the exact amount of time they should give an answer many things can be done.
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Old 2012-07-22, 18:50   Link #10136
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I'm being facetious, it's an illogical reason regardless. She knows she'll be able to save him, and that they'll be able to save him if Ajimu did it,
but she just wants to be the one to do it. Because love. And that's stupid. Because it's love.
Point is this has nothing to do with love. If she trully loved him him being alive would be her main priority, people do ridicuclous things in order to prevent there loved one from dying. It's basically betting on his life. Just because you have 3 Aces in poker does that make it all right to bet your loved ones lives on that hand. You'll probably win but there's also a chance you won't hence why it's moronic and almost immoral to do it.

This is the issue I'm talking about. By most humans concepts of love she's doing the exact opposite what most people in love would do.

This ofcourse assuming she's not doing this for an entirely different reason that has nothing to do with saving Zenkichi. But from face value, i'm unable to brush this this aside as "love".

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Old 2012-07-22, 19:02   Link #10137
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^The first course will be completed in 4 exact hrs, that alone should give anyone here an idea. Clearly, Medaka has something else in mind, and she doesn't want Ajimu to take part in the game nor to end things with one sweep because it would be counterproductive, likely.
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Old 2012-07-22, 19:06   Link #10138
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^The first course will be completed in 4 exact hrs, that alone should give anyone here an idea. Clearly, Medaka has something else in mind, and she doesn't want Ajimu to take part in the game nor to end things with one sweep because it would be counterproductive, likely.
This was what I was guessing I just hope I'm right.
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Old 2012-07-22, 19:07   Link #10139
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Point is this has nothing to do with love. If trully loved him him being alive would be her main priority, people do ridicuclous things in order to prevent there loved one from dying. It's basically betting on his life. Just because you have 3 Aces in poker does that make it all right to bet your loved ones lives on that hand. You'll probably win but there's also a chance you won't hence why it's moronic and almost immoral to do it.

This is the issue I'm talking about. By most humans concepts of love she's doing the exact opposite what most people in love would do.
You're judging her based on things an actual person would do. This a manga, this is Medaka. She's anything but regular.
And according to her, she's not betting on anyone's lives. To her, there's a 100% chance of success. She is so confident in herself, that she knows she'll win,
so there's no need to worry. Taking that into consideration, why shouldn't she be reckless with these kinds of decisions?

The way she sees it, either Ajimu or herself can end this completely. In such a case, she wants to be the one to do it, because of her pride and love for Zenkichi.
It's kinda petty in a way. But she hasn't been given a reason to doubt her abilities, with her kind of conviction such a thing was to be expected.
Which is why I'm confused why people are getting all riled up.
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Old 2012-07-22, 19:24   Link #10140
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You're judging her based on things an actual person would do. This a manga, this is Medaka. She's anything but regular.
And according to her, she's not betting on anyone's lives. To her, there's a 100% chance of success. She is so confident in herself, that she knows she'll win,
so there's no need to worry. Taking that into consideration, why shouldn't she be reckless with these kinds of decisions?

The way she sees it, either Ajimu or herself can end this completely. In such a case, she wants to be the one to do it, because of her pride and love for Zenkichi.
It's kinda petty in a way. But she hasn't been given a reason to doubt her abilities, with her kind of conviction such a thing was to be expected.
Which is why I'm confused why people are getting all riled up.
It's the obviously logical discrepany that she knows Aijimu could do it for certain with a higher percentage of success than she can for obvious reasons. It's my poker example again it's the difference between betting a family members life on 3 aces regardless how lucky you are and choosing not to bet there life at all or practically not. Fact of the matter is what she's doing is riskier than Aijimu's method. Why is she taking that risk, pride. That in itself he fucked up.

You shouldn't be taking that risk regardless how small on someone elses life. It's not even like said person was given a choice in this. Manga logic or not it's messed up regardless how u look at it.

It's not even like she's never lost before. She lost to Zenkichi.

I'm not saying these her actual reasons they probably aren't but if the current situation doesn't really change then she's being extremely dodgy.
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