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Old 2011-10-10, 22:26   Link #1161
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wow..that's pretty good....now if index season 3 come out.... i think touma (and accel)'s rank will boost out as well.....

i thought touma's rank will be fall down far after index 2....i think. it was because the LN...
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Old 2011-10-11, 14:21   Link #1162
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Old 2012-05-24, 09:15   Link #1163
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As a watcher of the anime mainly, I don't know what's more frustrating; the fact that Touma lost his memories, almost literally making him a rather blank heroic male lead, or the fact that maybe it didn't actually change much. i mean, I like Touma, but it's like that they just use him as a device called "hero", rather than develop him as a character.
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Old 2012-05-24, 09:20   Link #1164
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As a watcher of the anime mainly, I don't know what's more frustrating; the fact that Touma lost his memories, almost literally making him a rather blank heroic male lead, or the fact that maybe it didn't actually change much. i mean, I like Touma, but it's like that they just use him as a device called "hero", rather than develop him as a character.
Touma's development is not as obvious as the other two protagonists, but it's definitely there, just more subtle.

But there is a type of protagonist that doesn't go through a 'rite of passage', I'm sure you've seen before characters that changes the people around them, rather than the people around changing him.
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Old 2012-06-21, 05:43   Link #1165
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^Wow, I never actually thought of it that way. Maybe it frustrates me, but Touma's role probably isn't the typical "Main character grows in power" story, but "main character inspires people."
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Old 2012-06-21, 06:53   Link #1166
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^Wow, I never actually thought of it that way. Maybe it frustrates me, but Touma's role probably isn't the typical "Main character grows in power" story, but "main character inspires people."

Yes, I never understood why people insist that Main Characters require to undergo a change from start to finish. The thinking isn't wrong, it's just not necessary if your character doesn't need it; take a recent example- Do you think that Rider from Fate/Zero needs to undergo a change and get character development?


Now I realized I didn't quite address your earlier issue about Touma being a 'blank heroic male lead', while it's true that his memory lost had wipe the slate clean, at the same time it had also changed him. Before his memory lost Touma had his hesitations, he was unsure of his own power, unsure of what he should be doing, but at the same time he had this small desire to want to be more than that.

After he lost his memories, the only thing Touma knew was the story of his former self and how he had given everything to save a girl. Suddenly all that hesitation and self doubt he had was gone, replaced by the knowledge that no matter the odds, he does have what it takes to save people. He has no reason to hesitate, no reason to doubt in what he believes it.


Heck, this was actually in the lyrics of [PSI-Missing]
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Old 2012-06-21, 10:12   Link #1167
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"main character inspires people."
Yeah, and he does it alot better than other main characters too that inspire people *cough*Naruto*cough* (don't even know how he would inspire others)

Heck, I'm actually inspired by him as well which why he's my favorite character(along with other reasons). Didn't know I could really have an anime character that I would ever admire, but it ended up happening.

I also happen to be one of the few that enjoy his speeches
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Old 2012-07-10, 03:13   Link #1168
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This music is a tribute to the the Unlucky(?) protagonist that have many aliases but i think " Weakest yet the Strongest" suit him more
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Old 2012-07-24, 13:45   Link #1169
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About touma having 3 powers...I've heard somewhere a lot of theories, don't know if you already said them here.

One is that Touma is actually an Esper, but Imagine breaker is holding back his Power.

Another one is that he is sealing the Dragon of St george, since the walking curch that index is wearing can only be broken by that dragon. Also remember when Izzard cut his hand for the first time, the dragon head that appeared.

But it is said that the dragon wasn't from Aurerus's imagination.
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Old 2012-07-24, 14:43   Link #1170
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Well Touma's power is stronger than The One Above God, and in this series a dragon is a fallen angel so I doubt it's that. I think it is more likely something related to Aiwass and the Aeon of Horus.
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Old 2012-07-24, 14:46   Link #1171
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So would that mean that Touma possibly has a power that rivals Aiwass or is at least in the same class?
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Old 2012-07-24, 15:59   Link #1172
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So would that mean that Touma possibly has a power that rivals Aiwass or is at least in the same class?
My theory has always been that whatever is sealed up in there is an angel similar to Aiwass. There's a reason Aiwass was given the title DRAGON, and it's no coincidence Kamachi specifically highlighted the meaning of the Dragon in Volume 18 before we got to Aiwass, and later, Fiamma vs Touma.
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Old 2012-07-24, 18:30   Link #1173
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I hope they explain in NT5 what's inside...we got like 30 vol and still we don't know the details.

At the moment, we know:

-Imagine breaker: The negation effect and another power ¿right?
-The thing inside it.

And the name "Kamijou Touma" supposedly means "Invisible Demon". He may have a demon sealed in his hand perhaps?

But a demon can't supposedly be stroger than god, can it?

When terra fought against touma, he expected to use the other power or something like that. He sounded like he wasn't afraid of that power.

Man, Imagine breaker, along with the gemstones, have intrigued me. And now we got
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Old 2012-07-24, 18:42   Link #1174
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Maybe that power has something to do with Lucifer? In Christianity Fallen angels are considered demons/dragons(in this series) and Lucifer was God's right hand before Micheal defeated him, cast him out of heaven and replaced him as god's right hand(seat).
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Old 2012-07-24, 20:24   Link #1175
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Nah, as Aliester said it has nothing to do with Christianity, that was the same mistake Fiamma made
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Old 2012-07-24, 21:04   Link #1176
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Maybe that power has something to do with Lucifer? In Christianity Fallen angels are considered demons/dragons(in this series) and Lucifer was God's right hand before Micheal defeated him, cast him out of heaven and replaced him as god's right hand(seat).
I always thought his power came from lucifer.

But it seemed like such a cliche :2
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Old 2012-07-24, 21:15   Link #1177
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I always thought his power came from lucifer.

But it seemed like such a cliche :2
Ever since I've learned about it, I had always wonder if it could have been Choronzon.
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Old 2012-07-24, 21:30   Link #1178
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Ever since I've learned about it, I had always wonder if it could have been Choronzon.
Oh wow, it looks totally like it!

If so, Aleister is basically planning on using him once matured to get a fucking hell lot of power.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:54   Link #1179
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Ever since I've learned about it, I had always wonder if it could have been Choronzon.
Really does sound possible especially the "Destroy the Ego" part
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:59   Link #1180
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Ever since I've learned about it, I had always wonder if it could have been Choronzon.
Considering it's actually related to Thelma and Aliester Crowly I'd say that that's the best theory so far.
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