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View Poll Results: Total Eclipse - Episode 4 Rating
Perfect 10 4 11.43%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 7 20.00%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 14 40.00%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 22.86%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 2.86%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 2.86%
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Old 2012-07-24, 17:52   Link #1
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Old 2012-07-24, 19:54   Link #2
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It appears that the main topic of discussion for this episode is the Yui vs Yuuya discussion, and the exploration of their motivations.

After the string of condemnations for uninteresting characters in Episode 3, it's certainly ironic to see arguments over which of the two main leads are in the right dominate page, after page of discussion.

It does prove one thing for certain: Yuuya and Yui are by no means One Dimensional, generic bland characters. There is no way their conflict could launch more than 10 pages of discussion other-wise.

I think at this point of the discussion, it can be agreed that neither Yui nor Yuuya are... saintly people, to say the least, and to a certain disputed degree, share the blame for their mutual conflict, much of which is personal in nature.

It's my personal view that NEITHER are being rather professional about this. Their disagreements with one another are personal in nature. Yuuya is right in that sense, but at the same time, the same charge he levels against Yui about the personal nature of their conflict equally applies to him.

There is a high level of mutual belligerence to their relationship, though it remains to be seen whether the Sexual Tension part holds true.
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Old 2012-07-24, 21:30   Link #3
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At the end all gets reduced down to a confrontation between experience (Yui) vs Talent (Yuuya) that will featured the next episode.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:15   Link #4
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At the end all gets reduced down to a confrontation between experience (Yui) vs Talent (Yuuya) that will featured the next episode.
If it actually comes down to a 1 v 1 and not some simulation against Betas then Yui should lose in experience and talent, unless Yuuya ends up handicapped by the mechs they're using like he was in this episode. If Yui is some genius pilot I don't understand why she wouldn't be leading the testing herself, they wouldn't need to bring in someone else. It doesn't look like the russians are using some multinational force to test their stuff so it's not required.

I have a feeling Yuuya will end up getting owned though and it's not gonna sit well with me, so all I'm hoping for now is they get rid of all the angsty shit in the next episode or two and get back to fighting Betas.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:19   Link #5
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I have a feeling Yuuya will end up getting owned though and it's not gonna sit well with me, so all I'm hoping for now is they get rid of all the angsty shit in the next episode or two and get back to fighting Betas.
Why would it not sit well with you? Well no matter the result, I think their problems will probably be resolved next week. Yui will learn more about Yuuya and he will also learn more about Yui.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:27   Link #6
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I think Yuuya would have an edge since American doctrine has been more geared towards combat against other TSFs, but we'll find out next episode.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:30   Link #7
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whooo hooo sub-forum now i don't have to listen to all the LN spoilers and stuff
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:34   Link #8
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Why would it not sit well with you? Well no matter the result, I think their problems will probably be resolved next week. Yui will learn more about Yuuya and he will also learn more about Yui.
I explained why in my initial post. The only way Yui should win in a contest with Yuuya is if it's a beta simulation or he's handicapped by the mechs they're using to fight each other. Experience fighting betas doesn't equate to 1 on 1 combat and I'd guess he's got way more hours flying a mech then Yui does.
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Old 2012-07-24, 22:38   Link #9
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Regards Yuuya and Yui's interactions, I have a long post on that, so I'll not repeat it here.

I do think that this wall all in all a decent episode, and the director and planners of Total Eclipse have succeeded in their plan, which is to create greater awareness of the Muv-Luv franchise, specifically Alternative.

Don't forget, however, that Yui is going to be in a Takemikazuchi, and she's had more time in that machine than Yuuya has in the Shiranui-1C.
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Old 2012-07-24, 23:08   Link #10
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If it actually comes down to a 1 v 1 and not some simulation against Betas then Yui should lose in experience and talent.
We don't know that at this point. Besides when Yui was still in training she was clearly better than her peers, so she's quite likely very talented herself.

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If Yui is some genius pilot I don't understand why she wouldn't be leading the testing herself, they wouldn't need to bring in someone else.
The nationality of the pilots probably has more to do with the project's internal politics than skills or talent.
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Old 2012-07-24, 23:12   Link #11
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Yui isn't a test pilot, she's a combat pilot. Note that the other members of Argos Flight are also combat pilots - only Yuuya is coming from an actual test background.

Argos Flight's other pilots are going to be chase aircraft, monitoring and recording the Shiranui Second prototype, while Yuuya's job, as the only person with an actual test background, is to push the envelope, discover what it can or cannot do, and give his observations. Note his comments on the Fubuki after just one flight in it.

Yui is too entrenched in the Japanese mindset, which is why they need an outside context - Yuuya - to assist in the development, as he'll see things they overlook. Of course, the question of whether Yui will listen to him is another matter entirely...
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Old 2012-07-24, 23:22   Link #12
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he'll see things they overlook. Of course, the question of whether Yui will listen to him is another matter entirely...
Aren't you jumping to conclusions here? We don't even know what exactly is Yui's role in the project. For all we know Yuuya might report his findings to someone else entirely.
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Old 2012-07-25, 02:07   Link #13
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Well... If there's one thing I learn from watching this episode- In Soviet Russia, don't ever play 'follow the little girl'... That shit could get you killed!
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Old 2012-07-25, 03:26   Link #14
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I thought the idea was to create and test a joint project mech. Hence, they probably did not want Yui be lead test pilot, since she is probably accustomed to the types of machines they are creating. Yuuya, on the hand, is not used to these specifications, hence, he makes a better guinea pig to see if they mechs can be made universal.
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Old 2012-07-25, 04:05   Link #15
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Uhh... Yuuya hasn't fought the BETA before and never fought anyone to the death. There's no way he will stand a real chance against Yui who has been fighting the BETA for years since she was a kid and treats all battles as serious life or death situations. Which is why she finds even the smallest mistakes a death warrant.

Such as when Yuuya was training with the group for the first time he flew too high for comfort. In Yui's eyes that would have meant Yuuya was dead by a Laser Class while Yuuya thinks nothing of it because he's never had to deal with a Laser Class blowing up someone next to him because they flew even just an inch too high.

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At the end all gets reduced down to a confrontation between experience (Yui) vs Talent (Yuuya) that will featured the next episode.
Which seems to set up for Yui beating Yuuya to a pulp. Maybe Yuuya will learn something or Yui might try and loosen up on him after they resolve their hate between them? Or in some peoples eyes sexual tension fueled by hate but, eh.
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Old 2012-07-25, 05:24   Link #16
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*shrug*

Honestly, it could go both ways. On one hand, Yuuya has had no experience in the Shiranui, as opposed to Yui, who presumably has had a significant amount of stick time in the Zuikaku and Takemikazuchi. Also, he has no actual combat time, and is a test pilot, not a combat pilot, so the odds aren't good.

On the other hand, Yui's focus has been on fighting BETA, not other people, and it's quite possible that Yuuya may pull out some tricks she's not aware of, which would lead to his victory.

But given the genre conventions, as well as the reasons above, my money is on Yui to win, not Yuuya.

Also, at this point, Yui has had about 3 years of experience as an Eishi. She's fought in one major engagement - the fall of Kyoto -that we know of, though we're not sure how much stick time she actually has, given that she would have needed a fair bit of sick leave to recover from her injuries. It's not quite the same as having fought BETA since she was a kid.

Also, hatesex is the likely outcome of any defrosting between Yui and Yuuya. Search y'alls feelings, you know it to be true.
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Old 2012-07-25, 07:00   Link #17
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Yui is going to fight Yuuya in a Takemikazuchi while he is in a Shiranui? how is this even remotely fair? especially if he still isn't familiar with Japanese TSFs and has yet to adapt to them.
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oh a subforum? never would of guess this anime would get one.

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Yui is going to fight Yuuya in a Takemikazuchi while he is in a Shiranui? how is this even remotely fair? especially if he still isn't familiar with Japanese TSFs and has yet to adapt to them.
Guess its the battle of the sexes then...
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Yui is going to fight Yuuya in a Takemikazuchi while he is in a Shiranui? how is this even remotely fair? especially if he still isn't familiar with Japanese TSFs and has yet to adapt to them.
You imply that Yui starts the fight, the preview clearly shows that Yuuya thinks he's hot stuff and is the one challenging Yui. He's going to get a reality check real soon that training simulations will never amount to the real deal and just how far he is compared to Yui.
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