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solomon · 2012-07-26, 19:42

I saw the thing in IMAX.

Frankly I loved it. I thought it was a taughtly written epic rollercoaster jusssttt until the major twist which I think let out a bit of steam at the end but it still turned out very good.

The best interpretation of the "superhero genre" bar none.

hyl · 2012-07-26, 20:08

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To hyl though - is it really that important that TDKR is standalone? I know people who went and watched the first two in preparation for it because they were curious; they could also have checked out plot summariea beforehand, or watch the other two aftwerwards if they liked TDKR enough. I don't think it's something that really mars the quality of the film or anything. Also, I just know a lot of people that saw TDK

(although I'd argue that Begins might be just as important to know before TDKR...)

While you can go to this movie without knowing anything, but the overall enjoyment and experience might be lost if you miss out the references and the story from the previous movies.
Let's use my previous example of star wars again. You can start with "return of the jedi" but it is not the same when Luke asks the spirit of Obi Wan Kenobi if darth vader is luke's father, rather than seeing the reveal in the climax of "the empire strikes back"

Xagzan · 2012-07-27, 00:15

So, that was pretty awesome. Not sure how I'd compare to TDK at this point, but doesn't matter. It was still a blast. Some questions though, only 3 of which I currently remember:

1) Probably not important, but who was that blonde girl hanging around Selina?

Spoiler for much more important:

Yeah, it was pretty good. I do agree with the people who think there should have been more character development or interaction. The Bruce/Miranda romance, for instance, felt pretty much out of nowhere,

Spoiler:

MakubeX2 · 2012-07-27, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

1) Probably not important, but who was that blonde girl hanging around Selina?

Holly Robinson

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Spoiler for much more important:

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MakubeX2 · 2012-07-27, 06:47

Joker's Whereabouts Discovered During 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Kyero Fox · 2012-07-27, 07:14

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Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Joker's Whereabouts Discovered During 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Awww, that woulda been a funny ass momment "Are you serious?" -sits on bed- "thisx can't be serious..."

mystogan · 2012-07-28, 05:58

just returned from the movie,
the movie was awesome, the story that continued was great
action was nice a one on one batman vs bane ,stunts were superb especially the bat bike stunts were great,
the villains's story line was nice and the fact that Talia was the child of Ras Al' kul was an unpredictable twist, the villains however were not able to give a heavy mental pressure, like how Joker did In the previous movie, but still did a great job taking the whole city as a hostage

the Catwoman was also nicely portrayed as the theif,the Batman and Catwoman kissing scene was a nice fan shot

the ending was great, it covered all the points of all the characters, Batman and Bruce Wayne are dead in the public's eye, the Batman signal came back on the Police department building, now Gordon also know who Batman was, they even mentioned robin at the end and lead him to the Bat Cave, finally paired up Bruce with someone i.e. Selina, and now Gotham's people knew that it was batman who saved them and was titled hero

EssTEss · 2012-07-28, 07:01

Saw this yesterday. Good movie, but of course nowhere as good as the Dark Knight. To make it more exciting and compelling, i think they should have added more scenes for Bane doing his boss thing to show off his character, much like they did with the Joker and his speeches and one liners. They also really needed more scenes of Batman going all I'M AWESOME!!! and owning large groups of people single handedly (like the swats and clowns in the tower battle in TDK).

Sumeragi · 2012-07-28, 07:14

Bruce is eight years older, and hadn't fought crime all that time. You can't expect him to be fighting as he was in his peak.

hyl · 2012-07-28, 07:33

My problem was that the build up to Bane at the end didn't pay off and it was actually underwhelming. His only actual feat in the movie was beating up an untrained, somewhat crippled batman. But Bane got defeated pretty easily in the rematch.
The rest what he did (bringing chaos in Gotham) was in the end most likely Talia's plan the whole time.

EssTEss · 2012-07-28, 08:14

Maybe after he comes back from his training he could show off, or even before, a couple of Banes followers shouldn't be too difficult for him then. Or maybe the Batman/Catwoman scene before the first Bane fight could have been extended a little.

I was watching some clips from the other two batman movies on youtube and i realized that they had something this one didn't, "mini bosses" like Falcone in BB and Maroni in TDK to complicate the situation. Ultimately, it feels like BB and TDK were many different plots intertwined together to make up a larger plot that takes a long movie to tell, whereas TDKR is just one big linear plot that needs a long movie to tell.

Ithekro · 2012-07-28, 10:01

There sort of was with Daggett. His goals were to take Wayne Enterprises (same as in every other story he is in). And until the connection is made, seems like a seperate villian.

Though since they wanted to focus on Gotham under seige, Daggett gets his twist early.

Also technically Catwoman is the other mini boss, but she's Catwoman. That usually ends up with flirting.

Kaioshin Sama · 2012-07-28, 11:30

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Originally Posted by solomon

I saw the thing in IMAX.

Frankly I loved it. I thought it was a taughtly written epic rollercoaster jusssttt until the major twist which I think let out a bit of steam at the end but it still turned out very good.

The best interpretation of the "superhero genre" bar none.

I saw it in IMAX too. My one major nitpick and I'm sure this has already been addressed is that I had an incredibly hard time understanding most of Bane's lines similar to how I had a hard time understanding Ken Watanabe and Marion Cotillard (to a lesser extent) in Inception. Not only does that muffled effect sort of warp his voice, not only do I already have hearing problems which make it hard to mentally seperate vocal sounds from background noise, but the sound quality in IMAX and the reverberations in the theatre also made it hard to focus and pick out what was being said. I'd say I understood maybe half of his lines straight up and inferred the rest from body language and how people reacted to him both in action and reply.

I really appreciate Christopher Nolan and I agree that he shouldn't be forced to make unnecessary changes to the movie, but hearing that he doesn't plan to do much about this for future releases is a little disheartening as it is a very real problem. Other than that pretty glaring issue I felt it was a great closure to the current Batman saga (the third movie curse does not strike here) and a rare movie that earns it's long run time.

mystogan · 2012-07-28, 12:42

the real Catwoman's feel came when she takes off with Bruce's Lamborghini
And suddenly disappears when talking with Batman and he's like "...so that's how it feels like"

Anh_Minh · 2012-07-28, 15:27

Wasn't as exciting as TDK, but better than BB.

I didn't like it as much as Avengers either, but I guess it's mostly because I like to laugh.

It had its movie logic moments problems, too, like the way Bruce Wayne became poor (it literally shouldn't be possible, fingerprint or not), or even earlier, when the stock exchange kept functioning while taken over by criminals. (The kind with guns, I mean.)

Or the whole deal with the reactor.

wingdarkness · 2012-07-30, 11:17

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Originally Posted by EssTEss

Maybe after he comes back from his training he could show off, or even before, a couple of Banes followers shouldn't be too difficult for him then. Or maybe the Batman/Catwoman scene before the first Bane fight could have been extended a little.

I was watching some clips from the other two batman movies on youtube and i realized that they had something this one didn't, "mini bosses" like Falcone in BB and Maroni in TDK to complicate the situation. Ultimately, it feels like BB and TDK were many different plots intertwined together to make up a larger plot that takes a long movie to tell, whereas TDKR is just one big linear plot that needs a long movie to tell.

That’s one gripe I had aswell, the lack of a tertiary villain was sorely needed in this film (And Catwoman didn’t provide this)… You could have vaporized all of Matthew Modine’s absolutely useless gheycop scenes and had replaced those 6 mins with one warm up villain for Batman to deal with before he had to face Bane for the first time. I know Egghead or Penguin would have been too much for the Nolanverse, but maybe you could have had The Riddler (Obvioulsy a Nolanverse version where he wears a bummy green-Teeshirt with a crappily drawn permanent marker Question mark on it), robbing a museum or something, anything to create that WTF aspect I thought this linear presentation was missing…Also to give Batman a test round before he gets his a$$ kicked anyways by Bane…

Also not enough set-pieces in this movie...A random villain encounter prior to Bane could have also provided this...

Anh_Minh · 2012-07-30, 16:12

Thinking about it, Bruce's career as Batman was pretty damn short. Just between BB and TDK, plus a short return eight years after.

Then again, apparently all Gotham really needed was a law to put criminals in jail. Why didn't they think of that before?

Ithekro · 2012-07-30, 16:19

Was it more to keep them in prison rather than being classified as insane.

**james0246** · 2012-07-30, 16:56

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Was it more to keep them in prison rather than being classified as insane.

Correct...or mostly correct. The full wording of the law is unrevealed (save for maybe a a novel somewhere), but it appears to make it easier to arrest and sentence anyone believed to be involved in organized crime (how such a Draconian law this is legal is never revealed).

That being said, I was unclear why all the inmates were being held inside a city jail. Was everyone there waiting sentencing? Or were they simply misdemeanants

? Because I thought it was illegal to have prisons in city limits. Or am I mistaken?

Ithekro · 2012-07-30, 17:10

Blackgate is suppose to be on a island in the bay.

The Dent Act is suppose to deny parole for those though to have committed a crime while part of a larger crimial orginization. Essentially keeping gang, mafia, and other orginized crime members in prison indefinately. As well as keep them from being placed in the insane asylum were they could get out if considered "sane". Anyone placed in there would serve out their entire sentance without parole.

Basically a police state like law that worked to get rid of the gangs by making the punishement greater than the potental reward from the crimes.

2012-07-27, 00:15	Link #623
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	So, that was pretty awesome. Not sure how I'd compare to TDK at this point, but doesn't matter. It was still a blast. Some questions though, only 3 of which I currently remember: 1) Probably not important, but who was that blonde girl hanging around Selina? Spoiler for much more important: 2) So, in the end, after the reveal, was Bane's only motivation to destroy Gotham loyalty to Talia, or did he still believe in the League's goals himself? 3) Why was he so devoted to Talia? Although I get the feeling that isn't too important. Yeah, it was pretty good. I do agree with the people who think there should have been more character development or interaction. The Bruce/Miranda romance, for instance, felt pretty much out of nowhere, Spoiler: and while the Bruce/Selina pairing in the epilogue was sweet and felt somewhat sturdier than Bruce/Miranda, it too could've benefited from a bit more development/relationship building between the two.

2012-07-27, 06:47	Link #625
MakubeX2 うるとらぺど Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 33	Joker's Whereabouts Discovered During 'The Dark Knight Rises' __________________

2012-07-28, 05:58	Link #627
mystogan The Lost Lamb Join Date: Apr 2012	just returned from the movie, the movie was awesome, the story that continued was great action was nice a one on one batman vs bane ,stunts were superb especially the bat bike stunts were great, the villains's story line was nice and the fact that Talia was the child of Ras Al' kul was an unpredictable twist, the villains however were not able to give a heavy mental pressure, like how Joker did In the previous movie, but still did a great job taking the whole city as a hostage the Catwoman was also nicely portrayed as the theif,the Batman and Catwoman kissing scene was a nice fan shot the ending was great, it covered all the points of all the characters, Batman and Bruce Wayne are dead in the public's eye, the Batman signal came back on the Police department building, now Gordon also know who Batman was, they even mentioned robin at the end and lead him to the Bat Cave, finally paired up Bruce with someone i.e. Selina, and now Gotham's people knew that it was batman who saved them and was titled hero __________________

2012-07-28, 10:01	Link #632
Ithekro Space Battleship Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 35	There sort of was with Daggett. His goals were to take Wayne Enterprises (same as in every other story he is in). And until the connection is made, seems like a seperate villian. Though since they wanted to focus on Gotham under seige, Daggett gets his twist early. Also technically Catwoman is the other mini boss, but she's Catwoman. That usually ends up with flirting. __________________

2012-07-28, 12:42	Link #634
mystogan The Lost Lamb Join Date: Apr 2012	the real Catwoman's feel came when she takes off with Bruce's Lamborghini And suddenly disappears when talking with Batman and he's like "...so that's how it feels like" __________________

2012-07-26, 19:42	Link #621
solomon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Suburban DC	I saw the thing in IMAX. Frankly I loved it. I thought it was a taughtly written epic rollercoaster jusssttt until the major twist which I think let out a bit of steam at the end but it still turned out very good. The best interpretation of the "superhero genre" bar none.

2012-07-28, 07:01	Link #628
EssTEss Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 19	Saw this yesterday. Good movie, but of course nowhere as good as the Dark Knight. To make it more exciting and compelling, i think they should have added more scenes for Bane doing his boss thing to show off his character, much like they did with the Joker and his speeches and one liners. They also really needed more scenes of Batman going all I'M AWESOME!!! and owning large groups of people single handedly (like the swats and clowns in the tower battle in TDK).

2012-07-28, 07:14	Link #629
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Burning Heart!	Bruce is eight years older, and hadn't fought crime all that time. You can't expect him to be fighting as he was in his peak.

2012-07-28, 07:33	Link #630
hyl Saga Planets fan Join Date: Feb 2009	My problem was that the build up to Bane at the end didn't pay off and it was actually underwhelming. His only actual feat in the movie was beating up an untrained, somewhat crippled batman. But Bane got defeated pretty easily in the rematch. The rest what he did (bringing chaos in Gotham) was in the end most likely Talia's plan the whole time.

2012-07-28, 08:14	Link #631
EssTEss Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 19	Maybe after he comes back from his training he could show off, or even before, a couple of Banes followers shouldn't be too difficult for him then. Or maybe the Batman/Catwoman scene before the first Bane fight could have been extended a little. I was watching some clips from the other two batman movies on youtube and i realized that they had something this one didn't, "mini bosses" like Falcone in BB and Maroni in TDK to complicate the situation. Ultimately, it feels like BB and TDK were many different plots intertwined together to make up a larger plot that takes a long movie to tell, whereas TDKR is just one big linear plot that needs a long movie to tell.

2012-07-28, 15:27	Link #635
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Wasn't as exciting as TDK, but better than BB. I didn't like it as much as Avengers either, but I guess it's mostly because I like to laugh. It had its movie logic moments problems, too, like the way Bruce Wayne became poor (it literally shouldn't be possible, fingerprint or not), or even earlier, when the stock exchange kept functioning while taken over by criminals. (The kind with guns, I mean.) Or the whole deal with the reactor.

2012-07-30, 16:12	Link #637
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Thinking about it, Bruce's career as Batman was pretty damn short. Just between BB and TDK, plus a short return eight years after. Then again, apparently all Gotham really needed was a law to put criminals in jail. Why didn't they think of that before?

2012-07-30, 16:19	Link #638
Ithekro Space Battleship Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 35	Was it more to keep them in prison rather than being classified as insane. __________________

2012-07-30, 17:10	Link #640
Ithekro Space Battleship Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 35	Blackgate is suppose to be on a island in the bay. The Dent Act is suppose to deny parole for those though to have committed a crime while part of a larger crimial orginization. Essentially keeping gang, mafia, and other orginized crime members in prison indefinately. As well as keep them from being placed in the insane asylum were they could get out if considered "sane". Anyone placed in there would serve out their entire sentance without parole. Basically a police state like law that worked to get rid of the gangs by making the punishement greater than the potental reward from the crimes. __________________