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Old 2012-08-04, 23:43   Link #8901
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Old 2012-08-04, 23:58   Link #8902
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What, I don't remember any of those scenes!

The difference in popularity.
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Old 2012-08-05, 00:02   Link #8903
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New development my foot.

Still, it may mean that the manga is popular enough that the powers-that-be feel that they can get away with such substance-free fluff.

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Old 2012-08-05, 00:04   Link #8904
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I really hope it's not a "new development" in the series' style then!! Heh

And I seriously hope that it's not a preview of what we will be seeing in the new anime either... *faints*
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Old 2012-08-05, 00:19   Link #8905
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BTW, how in the name of god do these chapters hit the net before the official release date? Is it an inside job?
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Old 2012-08-05, 00:20   Link #8906
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Mainly because usually manga magazines are released before their printed official release date.
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Old 2012-08-05, 00:27   Link #8907
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I see. Many thanks.
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Old 2012-08-05, 02:38   Link #8908
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Has the manga ever been this meta before? The talk about popularity and panty shots was rather metaish.

Anyhow, for some reason, I felt like reading some of the first chapters, and boy, this manga sure has changed in many ways.
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Old 2012-08-05, 04:12   Link #8909
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Has the manga ever been this meta before? The talk about popularity and panty shots was rather metaish.
There was some instances recently when Nagi was making her doujin and her talking about popularity and the reception on 2ch and what not being what's important vs. Luka (or was it Hina? it's all a blur now, that wasn't that interesting of a period in this manga's run outside for this point) saying that it's more important to bring out a quality product first and foremost.

There were some meta-jokes all around as well, but not as heavy as now.

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Anyhow, for some reason, I felt like reading some of the first chapters, and boy, this manga sure has changed in many ways.
I've opened up the first volume, and yeah ... wow, how different had this manga ended up becoming now.

It's really amazing. Even though it's still a gag manga, the humor is all together different, the situation is different, the cast is reacting in a similar but still different manner ...

And oh yeah, the art style ...

I guess it was the anime as well as the times that made Hata change his style.
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Old 2012-08-05, 05:02   Link #8910
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I dropped this series about 20 chapters in or so the first time. Only happened to check it out due to Hata's connection with Kumeta of Zetsubou Sensei. So yeah, in general I don't actually particularly like the beginning of this series and am pretty happy with the way it has changed presently. Or, well, specifically I think the elements which turned me off in the beginning were Tama and Klaus.

Pretty glad I decided to give it a second chance and burn through the early chapters some years later though. To this day I remain impressed with the weave of thematics, character development, action, and humour which was the Golden Week arc.
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Old 2012-08-05, 08:09   Link #8911
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I guess it was the anime as well as the times that made Hata change his style.
Actually, the anime is an interesting point. Hata mentions in his volume notes that while it was running he was basically stalling things out and throwing in lots of random shipping to keep the manga from being too different. You can look back at the year the first season was running and it's pretty much "The High School Year" with tons and tons of filler. There's some good bits, at least.

After it ended is when he jumped into setting up the whole Eotw/Golden Week thing which you have to realize at the time he was super nervous about how it would be received.

Anyways, I actually liked the way the manga started out and the way it is now, even though they're different. It's some of the middle periods (Again, all Hakou all the time.) that I think are the weakest.
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Old 2012-08-05, 14:46   Link #8912
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While I'm at it, I suppose I should point out that Hata passed by another chance to flesh out Riza (with her birthday and all). Yes, she's just one of the three imbeciles, and yes she doesn't warrant something like the surprise party for the hamster. But I still feel she's not as fleshed out as her choirmates Miki and Izumi. Ah well ...
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Old 2012-08-05, 23:37   Link #8913
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Pretty glad I decided to give it a second chance and burn through the early chapters some years later though. To this day I remain impressed with the weave of thematics, character development, action, and humour which was the Golden Week arc.
I think most people were rather surprised that Hata decided to throw actual plot (and rather good for this manga's standards) when this has been a gag manga all the way through.

Personally, in some respects I've liked some changes whilst I don't like others. For one, I've been vocal in my dislike of Nagi, and I like it better now that the manga isn't as centric on her as it used to be in the earlier chapters. Though she remains the female lead, I like how she's been developed as more of a little sister/daughter and I hope that remains that way. On the other hand, I haven't liked the change in art-style, the ever increasing cast (though I'm fine with Athena, Ruka and Yozora as they've actually contributed to the story), and that Maria has been reduced to a gag-character when she used to be great in the earlier chapters. In fact, I think that plot-wise this manga would have been a lot better without a harem and a distinct love interest that got developed throughout the story. Back in the day, I thought Maria was the perfect candidate given her role in the story. But as things have turned out, I really don't hold that opinion any longer.

Anyhow, I hope Hata will be going back to the plot soon, since I think the recent SoL and comedy has been rather stagnant. Some spice would be great to spark my interest again.
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Old 2012-08-06, 02:58   Link #8914
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While I'm at it, I suppose I should point out that Hata passed by another chance to flesh out Riza (with her birthday and all). Yes, she's just one of the three imbeciles, and yes she doesn't warrant something like the surprise party for the hamster. But I still feel she's not as fleshed out as her choirmates Miki and Izumi. Ah well ...
To be fair, they did actually lampshade this in the chapter. Risa gets no attention as she's not popular in the character polls. Izumi is. (Miki is also not that popular, but she has yuri cred.)
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Old 2012-08-06, 08:30   Link #8915
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Seeing Izumi lift up her own skirt like that... For those of you who have watch [Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou], I'm getting the same feeling of guilt of those guys...
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Old 2012-08-07, 01:15   Link #8916
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I think most people were rather surprised that Hata decided to throw actual plot (and rather good for this manga's standards) when this has been a gag manga all the way through.

Personally, in some respects I've liked some changes whilst I don't like others. For one, I've been vocal in my dislike of Nagi, and I like it better now that the manga isn't as centric on her as it used to be in the earlier chapters. Though she remains the female lead, I like how she's been developed as more of a little sister/daughter and I hope that remains that way. On the other hand, I haven't liked the change in art-style, the ever increasing cast (though I'm fine with Athena, Ruka and Yozora as they've actually contributed to the story), and that Maria has been reduced to a gag-character when she used to be great in the earlier chapters. In fact, I think that plot-wise this manga would have been a lot better without a harem and a distinct love interest that got developed throughout the story. Back in the day, I thought Maria was the perfect candidate given her role in the story. But as things have turned out, I really don't hold that opinion any longer.

Anyhow, I hope Hata will be going back to the plot soon, since I think the recent SoL and comedy has been rather stagnant. Some spice would be great to spark my interest again.
/me high fives used can

I feel pretty much the same way, especially the bits with Nagi and Maria. I have slightly different thoughts on the harem/cast size, but wording it properly is beyond my time frame for writing a post, but to sum it up, both got way out of control.
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Old 2012-08-07, 09:47   Link #8917
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373 was great. A total service chapter without actual service.
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Old 2012-08-07, 11:39   Link #8918
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So yeah, in general I don't actually particularly like the beginning of this series and am pretty happy with the way it has changed presently.
I can agree with that to some extent. I also think that the manga had improved a lot from it's early days, in particular the plot being more well defined and the story having given the manga it's a unique identity of being more than a simple gag manga. But on the flip side, I think some of the earlier charm of the comedy and the simplicity of the story had been long lost sometime ago, that when Hata had tried to shift the setting back to the same tone as in the start (by making Nagi broke and having her moving out into her own house) it just ... well, didn't work at all.

So, even though I very much prefer the Golden Week portion, I can't help but feel a bit sad that the earlier parts can never come back.
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To this day I remain impressed with the weave of thematics, character development, action, and humour which was the Golden Week arc.
Yeah, Hata went big with that arc on every level, and it ended up being great. What impressed me was that while he sounded like he wasn't sure about how well it was going to be received (shifting his long running gag manga into a more serious romcom was a pretty risky move), I thought he handled it pretty well. Sure, some parts were pretty ''eh ...'' but on the whole, it was the one time span in the manga where I was just dying week-to-week because each chapter was just so good.
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Actually, the anime is an interesting point. Hata mentions in his volume notes that while it was running he was basically stalling things out and throwing in lots of random shipping to keep the manga from being too different. You can look back at the year the first season was running and it's pretty much "The High School Year" with tons and tons of filler. There's some good bits, at least.
Getting an anime has a very peculiar effect on some manga-ka. I think that Hata did indeed take into consideration the anime while it was running and trying to make the manga more in tone with it (Re: Himegami minor appearance) but I also think it might have charged him creatively to see his work successful enough to get a popular anime, which in tun lead to ...
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After it ended is when he jumped into setting up the whole Eotw/Golden Week thing which you have to realize at the time he was super nervous about how it would be received.
... him taking a risk with going in a different direction than what he had set up at the start
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Anyways, I actually liked the way the manga started out and the way it is now, even though they're different. It's some of the middle periods (Again, all Hakou all the time.) that I think are the weakest.
Yeah, I'm sort of in the same boat.
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Personally, in some respects I've liked some changes whilst I don't like others. For one, I've been vocal in my dislike of Nagi, and I like it better now that the manga isn't as centric on her as it used to be in the earlier chapters. Though she remains the female lead, I like how she's been developed as more of a little sister/daughter and I hope that remains that way.
I was pretty neutral on Nagi, generally liking her other times annoyed with her behavior, but the turning point was when she broke the stone to spare Hayate from his agony between picking between her an Athena. Without even knowing or learning the reason he was in agony, she just understood the stone was the source of it all and she gave it all up for him on the spot without a second thought.

Instant fan (even if later she sort of gotten annoying). One of the manga's most powerful moments.

I also like that the story took a turn towards making her less of a love interest and more of a little sister to Hayate as well.
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On the other hand, I haven't liked the change in art-style,
Yeah, the art style had gotten a lot more simplistic to the point where it's hard to recognize some of the characters in some panels ... it's pretty bad now -_-

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Back in the day, I thought Maria was the perfect candidate given her role in the story. But as things have turned out, I really don't hold that opinion any longer.
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Old 2012-08-07, 14:55   Link #8919
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Yeah, the art style had gotten a lot more simplistic to the point where it's hard to recognize some of the characters in some panels ... it's pretty bad now -_-
hu ? where did you thought it was hard ? i never felt it hard to recognize them so i would like some exemples
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Old 2012-08-08, 01:25   Link #8920
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^ Yeah, that kind of thing never crossed my mind either.
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