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Old 2012-08-01, 06:12   Link #81
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It's getting exciting; the CG is not that bad this episode. Things are really beginning to look up. I can't wait for the next episode.
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Old 2012-08-01, 15:15   Link #82
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Excellent episode. Excellent show. Just keeps moving forward.
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Old 2012-08-02, 00:02   Link #83
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I could almost feel sorry for Cheng if he weren't such a sadistic little homonculus. It's obvious that he's merely a tool to be cast aside by the powerful forces using him as soon as it's convenient.
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Old 2012-08-06, 16:35   Link #84
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i haven't been this excited waiting for episodes, as i am with this anime, in a long time.
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Old 2012-08-06, 17:50   Link #85
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LOL there are quite some out of this world kung-fu this episode, for Xin to be able to scale that wall and then to jump straight down from it. Nonetheless, it was exciting. I wonder how they will handle the 200,000 troops by Lu Buwei, unless those troops will return to the king.
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Old 2012-08-07, 13:06   Link #86
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So, Xin has the power of... superjump.

Somehow I feel like the plot hasn't moved on terribly much in this episode. Still, I liked it.
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Old 2012-08-07, 14:25   Link #87
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This anime is amazingly epic. It's like what happens when you pair Lelouch from Code Geass and his focused intellect and Ichigo from Bleach with his raw power.

They even got the voice actors right.
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Old 2012-08-07, 21:04   Link #88
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So, Xin has the power of... superjump.

Somehow I feel like the plot hasn't moved on terribly much in this episode. Still, I liked it.
Hey that jump was awesome. He even made time on the top of the wall to talk smack.
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Old 2012-08-08, 01:44   Link #89
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The anime is quite interesting, but the execution is very bad.
In the anime the fights are completely bloodless, and that destroys most of the impression from the epic battles (as well as exaggerates CG problems that could've been masked by rivers of blood).

Also, it is extremely irritating to hear one name being said and to read something completely different. Why do they all translate the Japanese names as their Chinese counterparts?
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Old 2012-08-08, 12:57   Link #90
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The anime is quite interesting, but the execution is very bad. In the anime the fights are completely bloodless, and that destroys most of the impression from the epic battles (as well as exaggerates CG problems that could've been masked by rivers of blood). Also, it is extremely irritating to hear one name being said and to read something completely different. Why do they all translate the Japanese names as their Chinese counterparts?
The subbers use Chinese names because the characters are Chinese. If the show were about George Washington or Henry VIII, would you want the real name or the Japanese approximation?

I do agree with you that the animation is pretty basic, but other parts of the execution are excellent: script, storyboard, direction.
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Old 2012-08-09, 12:38   Link #91
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I understand that reasoning, but I hoped at least some of them might prefer to go with the japanese romaji.
It might be OK to use Chinese names in the manga translation, or for an anime dub, but subs should always follow the spoken variants for things that are not titles. It is for the same reason you shouldn't use honorifics in them - the viewers have ears. If the character says "Hyou", or "Karyou Ten", it is extremely weird to read something drastically different.

And are we even sure that the Kanji part has one and only reading in the Chinese(especially since Japanese uses heavily modified Chinese hieroglyphs, so they might miss lots of apostrophes and superscript numbers)? In Japanese that is absolutely not so (that's why they almost always provide furigana for them).
For country names or famous historical persons we might have a more or less solid choice, but how do you choose one for less known or fictional characters, i.e. Shin or Yoh Tanwa?
Don't really know anything about Chinese, so it might be a moot point.

If the Japanese used katakana for George Washington or Henry VIII, it is one thing, as they sound close enough - but if they used a completely different local name, it is absolutely better to go with that, providing an explanation in the translator notes.

BTW, speaking of European names. How would you translate the name of Ouki's surprisingly European-looking subordinate, Tou?

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Old 2012-08-09, 22:28   Link #92
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...lots of interesting stuff....
You make some good points. I see advantages in both methods. The discrepancy between speech and sub sometimes bothers me, too. It would probably be good for different subbers to use different methods. But I suspect that the groups with enough interest to sub this may have people of Chinese ancestry in them, to whom the Japanese pronunciations simply sound weird -- as they do to me.

In modern Mandarin -- the official language of China, variants of which are the mother tongue of about 3/4 of the population -- these are the pronunciations. However, what the exact pronunciations were in the time and place this show is set -- 2250 years ago in what is now Shaanxi province -- is difficult to know for sure. And the pronunciations in other modern Chinese languages (e.g., Taiwanese, Cantonese) will be a bit different -- though not as different as the Japanese.

Chinese words entered Japanese at different times and from different parts of China, which is why there is often more than one Chinese-derived pronunciation of a given kanji. And there are also the pronunciation(s) of the native Japanese word(s) the kanji is used for. Written Japanese is even more difficult to master than written Chinese, lol. At least in Chinese, characters tend to have fewer pronunciations (most often only one).

In Chinese, only books for very young children use any equivalent of furigana. Most Japanese kanji are exactly the same as the Chinese characters. And there is no equivalent of a superscript or an apostrophe.
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Old 2012-08-14, 15:02   Link #93
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The anime is quite interesting, but the execution is very bad.
In the anime the fights are completely bloodless, and that destroys most of the impression from the epic battles (as well as exaggerates CG problems that could've been masked by rivers of blood).

Also, it is extremely irritating to hear one name being said and to read something completely different. Why do they all translate the Japanese names as their Chinese counterparts?
Completely right, If i'm not mistaken, in the first episode they used the subtitle matched to the name we hear, even so, this anime is so intense.
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Old 2012-08-27, 21:19   Link #94
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The animation really is this anime's worst enemy. The story's pretty good, characters are driven, interesting enemies, and nice gritty fights/battles. I even enjoy the OP & ED songs. It's a good to very good shounen anime and worth trying to see past the bad CG and animation, if they changed it for better animation it'll probably be very good to great.

Episode 13, monstrous Lan Kai fights in the throne room! Ba Jio gets beastly and loli mountain king.
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Old 2012-08-27, 22:29   Link #95
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Well, I do expect Xin to wake up and save the day. Otherwise, Ichigo... I mean, Xin would not be the main character in this series, to be outshadowed by the commander.
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Old 2012-08-28, 00:28   Link #96
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Well, I do expect Xin to wake up and save the day. Otherwise, Ichigo... I mean, Xin would not be the main character in this series, to be outshadowed by the commander.
That kid is useless. (Not Xin) The guy's mouth is wide open. He needs to start shooting darts at his tongue or roof of his mouth. Or hit the king or protector with a poison dart.
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Old 2012-08-28, 04:04   Link #97
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^ @orion

Yeah, I kept thinking, "why don't they just stab him in the throat through the mouth?" It works in a lot of other kungfu movies, but I guess this is not the type of show to display something that gruesome.
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Old 2012-09-03, 17:57   Link #98
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So many surprises in this episode.
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Old 2012-09-04, 18:07   Link #99
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Yeah, quite a revelation. How did Diao get chainmail? That's usually reserved for the ultra-rich nobles, and she is from a poor village. Btw, women wearing chainmail is often seen in Chinese old setting series/movies. Which reminds me, it is now confirmed that Diao is female, with the dress and Bi's reaction to undressing her (how will she get married now? He has "shamed" her. )

I know it is shounen, but how the heck did Xin move again? I know if I was in that state, at most, I can probably only wriggle my fingers slowly.

Overall, nice episode, but bad CGI.
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Old 2012-09-04, 20:44   Link #100
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Yeah, quite a revelation. How did Diao get chainmail? That's usually reserved for the ultra-rich nobles, and she is from a poor village. Btw, women wearing chainmail is often seen in Chinese old setting series/movies. Which reminds me, it is now confirmed that Diao is female, with the dress and Bi's reaction to undressing her (how will she get married now? He has "shamed" her. )
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I doubt getting first aid is considered being shamed.

Besides she's an orphan of no standing. The brothels would be a bigger worry for her than getting married.
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