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Old 2012-08-07, 18:30   Link #881
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Even assuming they transported the thing to Jupiter, one wonders why the Gamilas needed an entire continent for a relatively small resupply base. Surely a space station or two would do?

Then again, sci-fi verses don't exactly withstand such scrutiny. Any physics enthusiast would laugh at the technobabble behind the Wave Motion Gun. I know I did.

Oh yeah, and all hail Galaxy Express 999! Hey, you brought it up.
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Old 2012-08-07, 19:11   Link #882
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Ok, I've finally watched eps. 5 & 6. Not bad. I suppose Schulz getting another shot at the Yamato will have to wait.

Interesting that the Reflex Gun's primary function was made into the creator of the meteor bombs. It must mean that it injects radioactivity into whatever it hits (and I can only assume the Yamato's shields countered said radioactivity).

I hope something interesting is made of the racism thing. Otherwise it would've been better to just give Schulz and co. blue skin.

If Rei does indeed become part of a love triangle, I hope she gives Yuki a run for her money, even given the foregone conclusion. Otherwise it's just another love triangle for its own sake.

I'm looking forward to the next ep. The original was one of my favorites, and frankly I hope characterization in general goes deeper this time around, even if this is far from a character driven series.

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Old 2012-08-07, 19:36   Link #883
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My guess, judging by the plants, is that the Floating Contintent is there to provide ample biological stock to make Earth inhabitable again once the Humans die off, or if they had surrendered like Schulz people did. Inhabitable for the Gamilas anyway.

Also they could use it to claim it as part of Gamilas. Extreme flag planting. Land a continent on a newly claimed world in the name of the Gamilas Empire. It takes bringing a piece of home with you to an entirely other level.

My guess is that the Empire's racism is going to bite them in the foot once Yamato penetrates deeper into the Empire. Liberating worlds on they way in, and causing chaos with the other parts of the Empire if the High Command cannot take out one, single, Earth ship.



As for the love triangles. It is early yet. But with five main named women, there is a huge possible selection of triangles to octogons on that ship.

Yuria has been seen with the young security guard (the one that has been labeled as "gonna die") more than once now, though what feeling they might have is unclear.

The Security Chief seems like a stalker type, but that might be just his perpetual smug smile.

Makoto seems interested in how Kodai and Mori's relationship goes, though she seems to take care of Kato a lot so far.

Yamamoto doesn't seem to be the time for romance, but Yuki and Nambu might misunderstand things. He's known Kato for a while at least, but no sparks their that I can see save for he seems to want to protect her from dying like her brother did under his command.

Nambu seems interested in Yuki (but who isn't?). Shima seems interested as well, but always seems to come in right when she's mad at Kodai and get's brushed off.

Niimi seems rather interested in Sanada.

Kodai sees Sasha in Yuki, be she an alien or not. He is not quite picking up her signals yet, as she's visably changed tones after Saturn.
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Old 2012-08-07, 20:02   Link #884
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I hope the women don't exist solely to be love interests. IMHO Yuki was a love interest and not much more in the original series. And it bothers me somewhat that she's starting to fall for him after the Saturn mission, even if he did indeed save her petite ass.

Let the shipping/ship puns begin.

What if Schulz switches sides? That would be an interesting wrinkle.

Extreme flag planting, LOL.
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Old 2012-08-07, 20:06   Link #885
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Even assuming they transported the thing to Jupiter, one wonders why the Gamilas needed an entire continent for a relatively small resupply base. Surely a space station or two would do?

Then again, sci-fi verses don't exactly withstand such scrutiny. Any physics enthusiast would laugh at the technobabble behind the Wave Motion Gun. I know I did.

Oh yeah, and all hail Galaxy Express 999! Hey, you brought it up.
Keep in mind the Gamilons aren't just bombing earth. They're trying to Terraform it into a Gamilon style ecology. The floating continent is probably an ecological preserve kept on hand that they can pick stock from in order to transform the planet into a thriving ecology afterwards.

So the presence of the floating continent makes sense.


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I hope the women don't exist solely to be love interests. IMHO Yuki was a love interest and not much more in the original series. And it bothers me somewhat that she's starting to fall for him after the Saturn mission, even if he did indeed save her petite ass.

Let the shipping/ship puns begin.
Look, Yuki is a grown woman in a space opera setting. She has a compulsive need to be grasped by a smug looking dude brandishing a laser gun. That's the laws of space story physics!




...and her ass isn't THAT petite :P it made a plenty good shield for that Robot carrying her!
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Old 2012-08-07, 20:31   Link #886
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Then that means it's just another romance for the sake of romance. There are far too many of those icky things around.

Look, I'm not expetcing Dante & Beatrice, or even Benedict & (another) Beatrice. But like any element of fiction, romance has to be convincing and interesting, no matter what the genre. Something on the level of Hikaru & Misa would do, though I doubt romance on this series will be that interesting.
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Old 2012-08-07, 20:34   Link #887
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I'm presently not expecting them all to make it back. Most of the romance might be fleeting at best, if used at all.

But then there have been shipping wars for characters that aren't in a romance at all.

I am just wondering what those that have never seen the show before will do when it comes to Yuki and Kodai.


Most of the women on the ship seem to be there to fill in one of Yuki's many roles (Mokoto = Nurse/fanservice, Yuria = relief radar operator with a hint of filling in Be Forever, Yamato's Sasha role with the supernatural, and Yamamoto for the action girl secton Yuki took up in the Live Action Film) or to provide someone to give exposition (Niimi so Sanada doesn't have to explain everything or know everything come to think of it.). Yuki can now have more focus on her career which kept getting tossed aside every time they had her do some odd job, or go back to being a Nurse.
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Old 2012-08-07, 20:47   Link #888
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But then there have been shipping wars for characters that aren't in a romance at all.
Don't get me started. Sometimes I wish I could enjoy an interesting romance without all the silly shipping. Militant shippers are so frustrating because they tend to reduce discussion of fictional works to shipping wars.

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Most of the women on the ship seem to be there to fill in one of Yuki's many roles (Mokoto = Nurse/fanservice, Yuria = relief radar operator with a hint of filling in Be Forever, Yamato's Sasha role with the supernatural, and Yamamoto for the action girl secton Yuki took up in the Live Action Film) or to provide someone to give exposition (Niimi so Sanada doesn't have to explain everything or know everything come to think of it.).
In other words, mostly secondary functions often reserved for women. Sad, but I wasn't expecting much on that front.

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Old 2012-08-07, 21:22   Link #889
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Then that means it's just another romance for the sake of romance. There are far too many of those icky things around.

Look, I'm not expetcing Dante & Beatrice, or even Benedict & (another) Beatrice. But like any element of fiction, romance has to be convincing and interesting, no matter what the genre. Something on the level of Hikaru & Misa would do, though I doubt romance on this series will be that interesting.
At least with how it's being setup 6 episodes in, I don't think they're going to make shipping the main highlight of the show. I think it's just gonna be present.

I honestly have no problem with that. There IS a middle ground between sweeping and melodramatic romance, and not having it entirely.

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In other words, mostly secondary functions often reserved for women. Sad, but I wasn't expecting much on that front.
Uhhh, aside from the nurse, how do you figure?

Since when are the positions of intelligence officer


radar operator


and fighter pilot




often considered secondary roles reserved for women?

The US Military has gotten pretty progressive to allow men to serve in such feminine positions!


edit: And the trigger puller argument doesn't really work either. Going over the character profile page on the Yamato 2199 website...there are like ELEVEN guys whose official role on the ship doesn't involve shooting at anyone. Are they in secondary roles usually reserved for women?
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Old 2012-08-07, 21:45   Link #890
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They haven't had any of them serving drinks or washing clothes, which seemed to be something else either Yuki or Analyzer did. But than I think Yuki was probably the one crewmember that had to most tasks done of all of them. About the only things she never did were strictly combat oriented on ship (and the live action version changed that with her as a fighter pilot/combat group, and her 2009 Resurrection appearance as a battleship captain (a decidedly combat role)). Though she lead a resistance unit into combat in Be Forever, Yamato.

Yuki could do pretty much anything on the ship. A jack of all trades, I suppose.

Now, in 2199, Yuki seems capable of self defense (something she was not known for previously, even if she was shown to be a crack shot), and seems to be a military career officer. That is...if she's not an alien.

I can't tell yet, but Niimi could easily be an inventor or at least the most knowledgable person when it comes to how the Wave Motion Engine and Gun work. She is clearly facsinated by the Gamilas technology, and is certainly more personable than Sanada.

Yuria is young and impressionable. She does run the ship's nightly radio broadcast (which they say they will incorperate into the show itself). Not quite enough on her yet to know what to make of her. She is suppose to be the one that can see the supernatural, so I imagine if they need to have the ship contacted mysteriously by Starsha or perhaps the youngest sister (if she is not Yuki Mori), it will be Yuria that does it.

Yamamoto kicks ass. I like her. If things go as they usually go, I know what will happen to her eventually. But if that happens, she'll go with honor and a salute.

Makoto. Well someone had to fill in the fanservice role I guess, since Analyzer's not the horny robot anymore with only Yuki to pick on. She does seem to fill in the empathy factor Yuki use to fill in righting other crew member's emotions when they get tilted by events. She did that with Kato after he had that arguement with the locker. Setting him back to normal rather than continue to be upset with Yamamoto.



I am usually more concerned about the techology and history that the character interactions.
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Old 2012-08-07, 22:05   Link #891
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Uhhh, aside from the nurse, how do you figure?
Wasn't complaining about action girl (I said "mostly secondary" to the list as a whole, not every job on the list). Unfortunately, radar operation and military intelligence are often viewed as secondary jobs compared to, say, navigation or weapons control, by both creators and fans, especially in such a genre and despite the great importance of those tasks in reality. More broadly and more importanty, percieved job importance doesn't always equal role importance in a fictional work (poor choice of words on my part when I said "secondary functions" -- I should've said "perceived secondary jobs"), but it happens often enough. One doesn't expect the nurse to be the hero in this genre. And no one wants to be Mr./Mrs. exposition.
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I am usually more concerned about the techology and history that the character interactions.
Probably for the best given the nature of the series.

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Old 2012-08-07, 22:26   Link #892
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Wasn't complaining about action girl (I said "mostly secondary" to the list as a whole, not every job on the list). Unfortunately, radar operation and military intelligence are often viewed as secondary jobs compared to, say, navigation or weapons control, by both creators and fans, especially in such a genre and despite the importance of those tasks in reality. More broadly and more importanty, percieved job importance doesn't always equal role importance in a fictional work (poor choice of words on my part when I said "secondary roles" -- I should've said "perceived secondary jobs"), but it happens often enough. And no one wants to be Mr./Mrs. exposition.
Fair enough. But I still don't quite think that's a fair assessment still. The majority of the male cast also are in positions that could be construed of as *secondary* importance in a silly schlocky sci-fi show.

...though mind. So far Yamato 2199 doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the kind of show that dismisses the support roles on the Yamato. Everything so far has seemed to emphasize how running the Yamato is a huge logistical undertaking, that requires dedicated specialists performing technical work. Only roughly one in three of all the crew even have jobs that can be construed of as combat oriented.
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Old 2012-08-07, 22:34   Link #893
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Yamato III took it a step farther by placing one of the new main characters into what they would call the accounting department (what Yamamoto was in before her transfere to the fighter wing). And they left him there for most of the show. Sort of to teach that all the roles on the ship are important. And leasons like "A hungry crew can't function"

Of course at that time, his section chief was Yuki Mori. Now it would be Hajime Hirata (who was the new character's mentor early in Yamato III). Oddly, Hirata is the only other member of the main crew that doesn't have his prefecture of origin listed other than Yuki Mori.
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Old 2012-08-07, 23:19   Link #894
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Yamato III took it a step farther by placing one of the new main characters into what they would call the accounting department (what Yamamoto was in before her transfere to the fighter wing). And they left him there for most of the show. Sort of to teach that all the roles on the ship are important. And leasons like "A hungry crew can't function"
It almost makes me wonder who took over Rei's accounting job when she get transferred...won't it be a bitch and a half that since now that Rei's transfered, nobody knows where they put that extra reload of missles for the Yamato's underside?

Speaking of which. The Yamato turning itself into a submarine by turning over was a boss and a half! And Okita even got a periscope!
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Old 2012-08-07, 23:23   Link #895
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Yamato III took it a step farther by placing one of the new main characters into what they would call the accounting department (what Yamamoto was in before her transfere to the fighter wing). And they left him there for most of the show. Sort of to teach that all the roles on the ship are important. And leasons like "A hungry crew can't function"

Of course at that time, his section chief was Yuki Mori. Now it would be Hajime Hirata (who was the new character's mentor early in Yamato III). Oddly, Hirata is the only other member of the main crew that doesn't have his prefecture of origin listed other than Yuki Mori.
Interesting -- I haven't watched series III, but the "lower decks" perspective is always a fascinating element.

Hey, the possibility of Yuki being an alien is a potentially interesting wrinkle, though Starsha mentioning two sisters could just be a red herring, or it might lead to a completely different path (new character perhaps?).
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Old 2012-08-08, 00:43   Link #896
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It is probably a good thing that Yamamoto was transfered so soon after leaving port, within 10 days. That way not too much stuff has been moved around and Hirata can train a replacement if they really need one.

Or that will be a constant hole in the department until Ryuske Domon (Jason Jetter) arrives some years later.

Spoiler for casualties over the course of the series:


One department that didn't seem to get replacements until the third series was the Life Sciences Division. The Science department got a few new people here and there, but not in numbers. Most replacements seem to be Engineering, Combat Teams/Gunnery, Navigation, and the Fighter Squadrons. Though to be fair, it was rare to see the Life Sciences Division taking casualties since they are probably in the most protected depths of the ship...and not near the generally vital areas that keep getting attacked.
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Old 2012-08-08, 03:25   Link #897
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It almost makes me wonder who took over Rei's accounting job when she get transferred...won't it be a bitch and a half that since now that Rei's transfered, nobody knows where they put that extra reload of missles for the Yamato's underside?

Speaking of which. The Yamato turning itself into a submarine by turning over was a boss and a half! And Okita even got a periscope!
The tactic of turning the Yamato upside down was used in the original as a way to make the Gamilans believe they had sunk it for good. Here it seems it's an actual choice to use the ship that way, maybe because the upper half has already been quite damaged by enemy fire, or the smoke stack missile launchers were hit by that last shot, leaving only the missile launchers on the underside as an option. The periscope was a nice detail but what i liked more about it was that Okita actually turned his hat around before using it. They seem to be going out of their way to show us that, unlike in the original, the captain's hat isn't super glued to Okita's head. XD

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Fair enough. But I still don't quite think that's a fair assessment still. The majority of the male cast also are in positions that could be construed of as *secondary* importance in a silly schlocky sci-fi show.

...though mind. So far Yamato 2199 doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the kind of show that dismisses the support roles on the Yamato. Everything so far has seemed to emphasize how running the Yamato is a huge logistical undertaking, that requires dedicated specialists performing technical work. Only roughly one in three of all the crew even have jobs that can be construed of as combat oriented.
I like that they show Doctor Sado and his staff at work, the damage repair units at work, the engine room staff at work, etc. It makes the show more dinamic and interesting than showing only the main staff on the bridge and things appearing magicaly done. This is a crew of 999 (997 or less after the battle of Pluto) and showing that extra bit goes a long way.

As far as what as been said about Yamamoto and her possible outcome (guessing you meant her/his fate in Yamato 2), remember that, as pilots go, there was only Kato and Yamamoto in the main cast. If Shinohara reaches season 2 (if they make it at all), i see him taking the place of Yamamoto in the breaching of Gatlantis. Seing how popular she has become in 2199 i doubt they'll kill her there. Then again, Yamato is well known for killing popular main characters for dramatic effect (though i believe that was a Nishizaki thing). As far as Kato's concerned, killing him just to bring his "twin" in to fill his place would be stupid. Lets see. The long wait for chapter 3 begins.
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Episode 1

This is something interesting and non-typical for a change.
I've watched the movie, but this is something else.
Overflowing with action, but also everyday life on a very different Earth.
Very interesting to watch with a good story.
This feels like something between Evangelion & Battlestar Galactica.
Will be watching it.

Episode 2

It was kinda weird that they were attacking an old battleship.
It was even weirder that that shipped returned fire!
Interesting how effective it actually was.
Invite to Iscandar was perfectly timed.
Sounds like it's too good to be true.
So the Yamato mission begins!
They sure had a fiery takeoff.
Very much like the movie..
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Old 2012-08-08, 10:36   Link #899
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[I]Invite to Iscandar was perfectly timed.
Sounds like it's too good to be true.[/I
To be fair, if the Iscandarians had malevolent intent towards us, all they'd have to do to kill us is just not help.
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The tactic of turning the Yamato upside down was used in the original as a way to make the Gamilans believe they had sunk it for good. Here it seems it's an actual choice to use the ship that way, maybe because the upper half has already been quite damaged by enemy fire, or the smoke stack missile launchers were hit by that last shot, leaving only the missile launchers on the underside as an option. The periscope was a nice detail but what i liked more about it was that Okita actually turned his hat around before using it. They seem to be going out of their way to show us that, unlike in the original, the captain's hat isn't super glued to Okita's head. XD.
Of course it's not super glued!

...It's screwed in. And you can rotate it!

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I like that they show Doctor Sado and his staff at work, the damage repair units at work, the engine room staff at work, etc. It makes the show more dinamic and interesting than showing only the main staff on the bridge and things appearing magicaly done. This is a crew of 999 (997 or less after the battle of Pluto) and showing that extra bit goes a long way.
Indeed. That's what O like about this show. It seems to have a MUCH better sense of scale with regards to how a large starship should operate than even most western sci-fi shows. Wanna know how superfluousness everyone beside the bridge crew is in Star Trek? In one of the Star Trek movies the bridge crew highjack and fly off with and operate with the Enterprise entirely by themselves. To me that comes off as incredibly weak, since it ignores the massive human effort that went into making the Yamato function.

(One thing I really liked about the Evangelion Rebuild movie, was they had a couple of shots of showing NERV ground personal moving in to reset the power cables for the Positron rifle after Ramiel blasted the Evangelions, and I think I like it for similar reasons of Yamato playing up the scale of the crew)


That's the main reason I don't have any problems with the way the female cast is played. In a shitty sci-fi show female characters not being swashbuckling fighter pilots or space marines would make them irrelevant secondaries. But since the ship Yamato is a larger than life character in this story that requires the work of a thousand people to function, even the most minor jobs seem like they're of the utmost importance.
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