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Old 2012-08-04, 21:03   Link #121
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If you watched the 1. episode after the opening (which was used as ending) you see that there is an easy way to check deaths -> player names are crossed out when dead on a monument or so
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Old 2012-08-04, 21:10   Link #122
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If you watched the 1. episode after the opening (which was used as ending) you see that there is an easy way to check deaths -> player names are crossed out when dead on a monument or so
Ahh snap, that probably kills my theory then
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Old 2012-08-04, 22:34   Link #123
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An easier way would be for them to check their friends list. If they're dead then they would show up as "logged off" wouldn't they? Also, the first murder weapon was called a spear by the character.
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Old 2012-08-04, 23:29   Link #124
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Well as non LN-reader here we go

Spoiler for A theory for eps 5 murder case:
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Old 2012-08-05, 09:29   Link #125
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This is probably only nit-picking but in entire scene of Kainsī death, I have never seen his HP bar. Kirito saw Diabelsī one when he died in ep 2, Silica + PKers saw unchanging one of Kirito, so there should not be any problem to see it when Kirito is looking up directly on him.

And just why is Kains in pain ? I was under impression that damage hurts you only superfically, else there would be many more deaths from players who froze from pain in middle of a fight.

So Kains was killed with some special sadistic weapon (but Grimrock is not pro blacksmith according to Egil so I do not think he could create something unique and Egil himself says he sees nothing special about weapon) ?

There is one interesting theory involving teleport crystals and just why Kains lost no HP...

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Old 2012-08-05, 10:51   Link #126
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First thought after seeing Yoruko's death: the weapons were shot from outside the No PK area.

If there's sleep-PK then there could be an exploit like that too. Killed on an upper floor by a dagger thrown(?) through a window? It's the only hypothesis that comes to mind. It could explain why Kains was hanging from a balcony too. To stop him at a spot where there's a clear shot.

No idea who the killer is though.
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Old 2012-08-05, 11:08   Link #127
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First thought after seeing Yoruko's death: the weapons were shot from outside the No PK area.

If there's sleep-PK then there could be an exploit like that too. Killed on an upper floor by a dagger thrown(?) through a window? It's the only hypothesis that comes to mind. It could explain why Kains was hanging from a balcony too. To stop him at a spot where there's a clear shot.

No idea who the killer is though.
The killer must be quite the marksman
Standing on a upper floor still classifies as being in town, so you shouldn't be able to injure a player with a simple throw skill.

How does it explain how Kains was hanging from the balcony? We see a rope tied to a wooden bar, obviously the killer must have bound it.
If I was the killer, I would have stabbed him with the weapon and then kicked him from the balcony. If I hanged him first, moved to a different location and then threw that spike at him, other players would have noticed Kains way before I reached my spot.
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Old 2012-08-05, 11:17   Link #128
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The killer must be quite the marksman
Standing on a upper floor still classifies as being in town, so you shouldn't be able to injure a player with a simple throw skill.

How does it explain how Kains was hanging from the balcony? We see a rope tied to a wooden bar, obviously the killer must have bound it.
If I was the killer, I would have stabbed him with the weapon and then kicked him from the balcony. If I hanged him first, moved to a different location and then threw that spike at him, other players would have noticed Kains way before I reached my spot.
You shouldn't be able to kill them in town at all. The hypothesis is: it's a bug caused by starting the attack outside the No PK zone.

I agree the time used to hang Kains and move is a problem. There would have to be two killers working together.

I bet there's a simpler answer. But I don't know the exploit used so this is the best guess I have.
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Old 2012-08-05, 16:38   Link #129
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And just why is Kains in pain ? I was under impression that damage hurts you only superfically, else there would be many more deaths from players who froze from pain in middle of a fight.
Hm, I don't think he really felt pain from it, so much as he's just shocked/scared. He looked pretty sane when Kirito told him to pull out the sword, and only panicked when he realized he couldn't pull it out.
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Old 2012-08-06, 03:13   Link #130
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Hm, I don't think he really felt pain from it, so much as he's just shocked/scared. He looked pretty sane when Kirito told him to pull out the sword, and only panicked when he realized he couldn't pull it out.
Maybe you are right but in my opinion, with his screams and clenching of teeth, he looked like he was in pain. Well, with name of weapon being Guilty Thorn, maybe it should look like he was receiving punishment for his crimes (killing guild leader) and guilty conscience.

I still do not understand just why his dropping HP bar was never shown and I think this could be somewhat important when basically 5 seconds after, when Kirito was looking for winner notification, he had no problems seeing bars (and Diabels one etc.).
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Old 2012-08-08, 10:06   Link #131
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Old 2012-08-08, 11:16   Link #132
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The three musketeers appear

Building can't be destroyed, when hit [Immortal Object] appears.
Player (most likely the killer) takes out a teleport crystal. I have to say, the crystal is rather big, but so was Silica's.

The murder weapons all look way better than Kirito's sword
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Old 2012-08-08, 19:16   Link #133
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Inspired by 'No Logoff Button' in game mechanic for anime viewers:

Spoiler for <no logoff button> game master:
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Old 2012-08-08, 20:17   Link #134
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Inspired by 'No Logoff Button' in game mechanic for anime viewers:

Spoiler for <no logoff button> game master:
I think that could have been just for the sake of the demonstration. One would presume that he is not bound by player menus, but has deeper access to the game's function (like a "debug mode"). So I don't think he really trapped himself in the game, whether he's still there or not notwithstanding.
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Old 2012-08-09, 07:15   Link #135
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I think that could have been just for the sake of the demonstration. One would presume that he is not bound by player menus, but has deeper access to the game's function (like a "debug mode"). So I don't think he really trapped himself in the game, whether he's still there or not notwithstanding.
Well probably true, but he should trap himself rather than must deal with real world implication . Finding him in real world wouldn't be hard.
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Old 2012-08-09, 12:25   Link #136
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Well probably true, but he should trap himself rather than must deal with real world implication . Finding him in real world wouldn't be hard.
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A simple change of heart during the few minutes' walk from one Tokyo police station to another could have kept Makoto Hirata, one of Japan's most wanted men, at large indefinitely.
It has emerged that Hirata, a former member of the Aum Supreme Truth doomsday cult, was sent away by the officer on duty when he first tried to turn himself in, late on New Year's Eve.
The policeman thought it was a prank. But the supposed prankster was a former member of a fanatical group whose members carried out a fatal sarin gas attack on the Tokyo underground in 1995, killing 12 people and making 6,000 others sick. The terrorist attack remains the worst on Japanese soil.
Hirata, wanted in connection with the kidnapping and death earlier that year of a civil servant whose sister was trying to leave the cult, tried again but failed to convince the officer that the face that had been staring down from 150,000 wanted posters for almost 17 years was his.


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Old 2012-08-09, 12:45   Link #137
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Easy Really?
Japanese cops are indeed like cops from all over the world, always slackin' off...
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Old 2012-08-09, 13:41   Link #138
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So the reason their crime stats are so low is because of this?
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Old 2012-08-12, 04:28   Link #139
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I thought the scene in the OP where Asuna cook for Kirito was in the real world, after marriage issue in ep 5 & 6, I doubt it now. But there is now way to know where is that scene take place(RL or SAO) without spoiler right?
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Old 2012-08-12, 04:36   Link #140
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I thought the scene in the OP where Asuna cook for Kirito was in the real world, after marriage issue in ep 5 & 6, I doubt it now. But there is now way to know where is that scene take place(RL or SAO) without spoiler right?
Well, Asuna told Kirito that she knows how to cook (in the game) in this episode.
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