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Old 2012-08-06, 17:12   Link #181
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does the Microsoft store allow other browsers in its store.
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Old 2012-08-06, 18:13   Link #182
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i think they will have chrome on the store so yes
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Old 2012-08-06, 18:29   Link #183
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How it is illegal for MS if they lock out other browsers on Windows but Android and Apple can lock out IE and it is legal.
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Old 2012-08-06, 19:25   Link #184
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eh they do? i dont think there is IE on Android & IOS anyway
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Old 2012-08-06, 20:09   Link #185
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How it is illegal for MS if they lock out other browsers on Windows but Android and Apple can lock out IE and it is legal.
It's legal because they don't do it.
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Old 2012-08-06, 20:33   Link #186
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Its more the case Microsoft would have to rewrite IE from scratch because it is a tentacle monster of proprietary Microsoft libraries, Windows-specific OS calls and more plumber's nightmare coding than you can shake a stick at.
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Old 2012-08-06, 22:59   Link #187
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How it is illegal for MS if they lock out other browsers on Windows but Android and Apple can lock out IE and it is legal.
Because no one sued Apple successfully over it. Also, Android doesn't lock out browsers I believe, MS just doesn't make IE for Android out of their own free will.

Also, it seems like phone OS's are treated differently. MS seems to be getting away with Win 8 ARM being IE only.
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Old 2012-08-07, 00:32   Link #188
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MS just doesn't make IE for Android out of their own free will.
As Vexx said, rewriting IE to run on Android would be difficult if not impossible given Internet Explorer's deep ties into the Windows OS.

In addition, Microsoft is hoping to regain some share in the mobile market though phones from its partner Nokia that run Windows 8. Creating a version of IE that runs on Android would undermine that strategy.
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Old 2012-08-08, 05:51   Link #189
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There are literally tons of browsers for Android, but most people tend to stick with the stock browser or some other Webkit browser because web designers are lazy and shiftless and make their mobile sites frequently use Webkit extensions that don't work in any other HTML renderer.

If you want an example of this, download Opera Mobile onto your Android device and try to view a mobile site on it. It'll usually look like it came from 2005 on a Blackberry--because Opera doesn't use Webkit and the user agent string tells the website so, it'll send the craptastic mobile site to your device instead of the good, shiny mobile site.
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Old 2012-08-10, 18:30   Link #190
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There are literally tons of browsers for Android, but most people tend to stick with the stock browser or some other Webkit browser because web designers are lazy and shiftless and make their mobile sites frequently use Webkit extensions that don't work in any other HTML renderer.
Not all web designers, just the majority.
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Old 2012-08-10, 19:18   Link #191
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There are literally tons of browsers for Android, but most people tend to stick with the stock browser or some other Webkit browser because web designers are lazy and shiftless and make their mobile sites frequently use Webkit extensions that don't work in any other HTML renderer.

If you want an example of this, download Opera Mobile onto your Android device and try to view a mobile site on it. It'll usually look like it came from 2005 on a Blackberry--because Opera doesn't use Webkit and the user agent string tells the website so, it'll send the craptastic mobile site to your device instead of the good, shiny mobile site.
unfortunately my company only works with IE and not even the latest IE.
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Old 2012-08-10, 19:26   Link #192
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Unfortunate and short-sighted unless you are writing applications solely for the business and corporate marketplace.
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Old 2012-08-10, 20:49   Link #193
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Unfortunate and short-sighted unless you are writing applications solely for the business and corporate marketplace.
not My company but the company i "work" for. Their software only works with IE8 right now. Can't even use IE9 without problem poping up.
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Old 2012-08-10, 21:47   Link #194
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Now there's an example of a slow motion software package trainwreck, choosing library calls poorly and depending on an evolving system governed by people who don't care about some company's POS software.

(and that doesn't mean point-of-sale in this case)
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Old 2012-08-11, 16:35   Link #195
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Now there's an example of a slow motion software package trainwreck, choosing library calls poorly and depending on an evolving system governed by people who don't care about some company's POS software.

(and that doesn't mean point-of-sale in this case)
i swear the guy in charge of the IT dept is a PHB.
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Old 2012-08-11, 17:08   Link #196
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i swear the guy in charge of the IT dept is a PHB.
I don't even have the time to watch the thing, but I'm assuming that's some dilbert reference?
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Old 2012-08-11, 17:12   Link #197
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While I generally like Windows 8, my workplace uses hidden SSIDs for their network (yes, yes, I know it's stupid, but I'm in no way associated with our IT department), and Windows 8's inability to connect to a hidden SSID, even when you tell it to connect to a network that isn't broadcasting, means it is likely I won't be upgrading any time soon on any device I bring to work.

Apparently, the only way for it work is if you unhide the SSID, connect, then hide it again, after which Windows 8 can connect again to the hidden SSID in the future. Let's just say that I'm not going to get any headway telling our rather large IT department to unhide the SSID just so I can connect a Windows 8 machine.

I chalked it up to the Consumer and Release Previews being just that, Previews, but apparently it's still a 'feature' in the RTM.
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Old 2012-08-11, 17:15   Link #198
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I chalked it up to the Consumer and Release Previews being just that, Previews, but apparently it's still a 'feature' in the RTM.
I'd like to see them justify that. Actually, I'd like to see whether it's for lulz security reasons or because hidden SSIDs are out of fashion.
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Old 2012-08-11, 17:22   Link #199
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I'd like to see them justify that. Actually, I'd like to see whether it's for lulz security reasons or because hidden SSIDs are out of fashion.
Since the configuration wizard has the same box as Windows 7, that asks if you'd like to connect even if the SSID isn't broadcasting, I see one of two things as possibilities:

1) They really did remove the ability to connect to a hidden SSID, but never got around to changing the GUI to reflect this... or the more likely possibility

2) It's bugged, and so far down their priority list that any fix for it still hasn't made it to the 'finished' product, and it will be fixed in a future patch.

I have no broad overview of what percent of wireless users connect to hidden SSIDs, so I have no idea how big of an issue it is in the broad scope of every windows user in the world. All I know is my work does, so this is rather inconvenient for me. The rather small amount of google search results on this issue would seem to indicate though that hidden SSIDs are a very small minority, so I am thinking #2 is likely the culprit.
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Old 2012-08-11, 17:39   Link #200
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like Vexx said, just wait for the sp1.
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