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Old 2012-08-15, 17:53   Link #8001
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Gilgamesh would probably finding Kiritsugu entertaining in the same way he does Saber if he were to find out his wish for the Grail, but what with the way Kiritsugu treats Servants as complete tools and has no respect for heroic spirits, I don't see their partnership lasting long enough for that to happen. And Gil certainly wouldn't be up for serving as a decoy by parading around with Irisviel.
Kiritsugu wouldn't use the same strategy of IGNORING you with Gilgamesh. He pulls that with Saber because he knows she's loyal as a knight and the match with Irisviel is perfect. Give him some credit here. That method worked for him.

But the problem will come if he shoots down the Master of someone he is having a battle with and when's having fun (like Uryuu and Caster? He wouldn't have objections there). Although, he'll be probably more interested in Kiritsugu himself than the Servants, considering he's pretty much like Saber as you said. The thing is that Tokiomi wanted him dead, Kiritsugu wouldn't. Death's a huge trigger for Gilgamesh.
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Old 2012-08-15, 23:21   Link #8002
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Kiritsugu wouldn't use the same strategy of IGNORING you with Gilgamesh. He pulls that with Saber because he knows she's loyal as a knight and the match with Irisviel is perfect. Give him some credit here. That method worked for him.

But the problem will come if he shoots down the Master of someone he is having a battle with and when's having fun (like Uryuu and Caster? He wouldn't have objections there). Although, he'll be probably more interested in Kiritsugu himself than the Servants, considering he's pretty much like Saber as you said. The thing is that Tokiomi wanted him dead, Kiritsugu wouldn't. Death's a huge trigger for Gilgamesh.
Kiritsugu wouldn't outright ignore him, but he certainly wouldn't treat him like a king (on the surface) the way Tokiomi did. The contract working and lasting or not would depend on how tactful Kiritsugu would be when dealing with him. Gilgamesh does become more tolerant towards impudence when it comes from individuals he finds interesting, so they could manage to function together I suppose.

And another big difference would be that Kiritsugu, being the proactive hunter he is, should actually make good use of Gil's overpoweredness, instead of holding him back and making him retreat the way Tokiomi did. But there's always that problem of him sniping the Masters of fun opponents, of course. If Kiritsugu were to shoot down Waver while Gil was fighting Rider, things could get pretty ugly.
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Old 2012-08-15, 23:29   Link #8003
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Old 2012-08-16, 03:12   Link #8004
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Kiritsugu wouldn't outright ignore him, but he certainly wouldn't treat him like a king (on the surface) the way Tokiomi did. The contract working and lasting or not would depend on how tactful Kiritsugu would be when dealing with him. Gilgamesh does become more tolerant towards impudence when it comes from individuals he finds interesting, so they could manage to function together I suppose.
Exactly, considering Kirei pretty much insulted Gil and acted tsundere abrasive while he was oh-so-helpful first with him (and really never treats him like a king), I don't think he'll mind. He tolerated him because he liked and found Kirei interesting to hang around with. It's never a dull moment with Kotomine.

Tokiomi's sycophant attitude bored him to tears.

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And another big difference would be that Kiritsugu, being the proactive hunter he is, should actually make good use of Gil's overpoweredness, instead of holding him back and making him retreat the way Tokiomi did. But there's always that problem of him sniping the Masters of fun opponents, of course. If Kiritsugu were to shoot down Waver while Gil was fighting Rider, things could get pretty ugly.
Absolutely. But Waver manages to outsmart Kiritsugu's stratagems all the time. He's got Rider's Luck A+ in his stats too.

Now for something unrelated:

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Old 2012-08-16, 12:21   Link #8005
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Old 2012-08-16, 16:19   Link #8008
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"Kitchen" must have been Shirou's Origin before Avalon changed it to "Sword."

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"Kitchen" must have been Shirou's Origin before Avalon changed it to "Sword."

about the Gilles trying to save Jeane part, IIRC, I read somewhere that Gilles was not present while Jeane being burned.
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Old 2012-08-16, 20:53   Link #8010
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about the Gilles trying to save Jeane part, IIRC, I read somewhere that Gilles was not present while Jeane being burned.
Indeed. Also in history, his love for her was completely religious/platonic (because Gilles was a closeted homosexual man then not-so closeted), but Nasuverse changes a few things. Rather than Prelati's seduction being the major catalyst behind his crimes (which made him pretty obsessed with sodomy), it's the hatred he feels after the loss of Jeanne and desire to be punished by God. It's not really completely wrong to assume he was present in Nasuverse when he's a lot more obsessed with her there than he was in history.
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No, just a special episode that was shown at Type-Moon Fes about the two characters that appear on Type-Moon's mobile site.
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