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Old 2012-08-25, 11:35   Link #1061
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Godou is like a 10-trick pony. Which isn't a bad thing. Those 10 tricks are all powers of a God, after all.


There's something that's been bothering me about this anime over the past few episodes.
Some of these jokes have been repeated a bit too often for me, and character development hasn't happened much. I have a question for novel readers, if this is treading on spoilerish territory, feel free to PM me instead.

It's just that, the girls are starting to become unfunny. Erica has been shown to be nothing but a stalker and a molester who treats Godou like an object. Mariya on the other hand seemed cute at first, but in actuality she's just a jealous bitch who is always angry at Godou and calls him a pervert for doing nothing other than being molested by Erica. The only girl right now that's even remotely likable is Liliana, by sole virtue that she actually gets flustered at the idea of an intimate act such as kissing, and actually -agrees- that it's not very appropreate.

So anyway, the question is, I'm assuming there are novel readers who have been enjoying it. So how do you cope with things like this? Or is it a bit more nuanced in the novel?
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Old 2012-08-25, 11:41   Link #1062
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So anyway, the question is, I'm assuming there are novel readers who have been enjoying it. So how do you cope with things like this? Or is it a bit more nuanced in the novel?
Power through and hope they get to the plot scenes soon... Or do you mean the Anime not the LN?
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Old 2012-08-25, 11:43   Link #1063
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To clarify, novel readers who have been enjoying the novel.
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Old 2012-08-25, 11:47   Link #1064
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To clarify, novel readers who have been enjoying the novel.
Then your question is redundant- if they're enjoying it, why do they need to cope?
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Old 2012-08-25, 12:36   Link #1065
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It's the other way around. How do they cope with it so they CAN enjoy it?

Like, are the girls less dumb in the LN? Or do they get character development? Or does other stuff happen that makes it easier to ignore the girls being dumb?
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Old 2012-08-25, 13:05   Link #1066
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Dengar the ironic part is the design of the anime takes away from the character development. This is a slight spoiler but what they are doing is taking the scenes when the individual characters have moments akin to dating sims. For example Erica and the war god their fight where Erica it seems officialy admits to her feelings for Godou. (erica route cleared Yuri has had her moments but the key time for her was during the Voban incident the ending where (Yuri Route cleared). In this case the reason they're skipping to Perseus is because at the end (Liliana route cleared) Honestly the reason why there's no development is because their focusing on the harem and god killing elements which almost confirms that its 12.
also Erica is really just a stalker and Yuri really is just a girl to pure for her own good and that is true
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Old 2012-08-25, 14:05   Link #1067
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- Getting shot in the heart shows he was easy pickings to start with...
- What else can he do but use his Authorities? Without them, he's not much better than a baseline human. And even if he wasn't, it's well known that even being a master magician isn't a lot of help against a god.
Take some time to actually scope out his opponents abilities?

Everyone of his battles, he starts off with spamming and wasting 2-3 Abilities blindly before the other guy even tries one attack.

He knows he has a limit of one per day, but he never makes any attempt to strategize his uses. Why did he even use the boar as an opener to escape, if he wanted to escape, why didn't he use the Bird. Then he sees his boar nullified, and goes "derp, I'm gonna try again" and finally uses the Bird and loses it again. Then he's got shot in the heart losing his extra life in the first 10seconds of the fight.

Back against Voban, if Erica didn't stop him. He would have used up all his authorities one by one on Voban's minions like the golem and puppetKnights.

Godou should take up magic as a side-job. Cause half of the authorities he has don't seem to be much more useful than their magic counterparts.

Lilliana's and Erica's flight and leap escape abilities both seem to have the same useful effect as the Bird for escape. So instead of wasting the bird for escape, he should just use regular magic.
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Old 2012-08-25, 14:08   Link #1068
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@imperial what are they really skipping though besides the fight between godou and salavatore?
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Old 2012-08-25, 14:47   Link #1069
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Take some time to actually scope out his opponents abilities?
You've got to spend money to make money. If he wants to gain information of Perseus' abilities, he must make Perseus fight. I suppose he could ask fodder to spend their lives instead, but that'd be out of character for him, and the only fodder he has is Liliana.

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Everyone of his battles, he starts off with spamming and wasting 2-3 Abilities blindly before the other guy even tries one attack.
When? Whether against Athena or Voban, he pretty much let them have the initiative.

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He knows he has a limit of one per day, but he never makes any attempt to strategize his uses. Why did he even use the boar as an opener to escape, if he wanted to escape, why didn't he use the Bird.
Two reasons:
- he wasn't actually trying to escape. He was trying to interrupt the confrontation between Liliana and Perseus before she died, and to take the fight elsewhere, away from Naples proper.
- the side effect of the Raptor is that he's paralysed with pain after using it. So if he does so, it's either because he has no choice, or because he has a plan to finish the fight, or at least interrupt it for a bit.


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Then he sees his boar nullified, and goes "derp, I'm gonna try again" and finally uses the Bird and loses it again.
He wasn't sure Perseus could seal all his forms, or if it was limited to the Boar. But mostly, he was just desperate. It was either the Raptor or get killed by an arrow. (Turns out the first option wasn't actually available, but what was he to do?)

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Then he's got shot in the heart losing his extra life in the first 10seconds of the fight.
Yes. But my point is, that went about as well as it could have. Perseus was a bad match for him. The only way (maybe) it could have gone better would have been to convince Liliana to kiss him anyway.

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Back against Voban, if Erica didn't stop him. He would have used up all his authorities one by one on Voban's minions like the golem and puppetKnights.
A combination of being reluctant to hide behind people, especially girls, and of having exactly no weapon but his authorities. Yes, it's rather stupid. But not outlandish.

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Godou should take up magic as a side-job. Cause half of the authorities he has don't seem to be much more useful than their magic counterparts.
I don't disagree with the first part, but consider that Erica's considered a magic prodigy, has been training since she was a child, and her most powerful attack can barely scratch a god.

There's no telling how much time he'd need to be able to do so get something useful out of magic training. Though as a Campione, he does have advantages, there.

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Lilliana's and Erica's flight and leap escape abilities both seem to have the same useful effect as the Bird for escape. So instead of wasting the bird for escape, he should just use regular magic.
Which in this case means they're not that useful. Perseus (or rather his mount, Pegasus) is faster.
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Old 2012-08-25, 14:52   Link #1070
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to say their skipping much wouldnt be quite accurate but they basically took away the school element of this one so they arent skipping much but tbh as most people have stated for the most part godou is useless yes he has the power's but so far the only times he's been able to use the sword are with somebody kissing him so on his own he's useless
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Old 2012-08-25, 15:17   Link #1071
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It's the other way around. How do they cope with it so they CAN enjoy it?

Like, are the girls less dumb in the LN? Or do they get character development? Or does other stuff happen that makes it easier to ignore the girls being dumb?

You don't understand; if they are enjoying it meaning liking it, they don't need to cope with anything because they love every bit of it no matter what, or even if there is some parts they don't like it would be so minor that they would just overlook it. Either way there is nothing to cope. If they are having problems with it, ie. people like me and wilf, then we are the ones that need to 'cope' because we have some real issue with how things are being handled.


And they like to act like the LN's romcom is better- but it's not. It's the same thing maybe worse if you don't like the same thing; just add more Erica being smirk-manipulative, more Yuri being naggy, more Shizuka giving her brother a hard time, and more Godou being tossed around by the whims of every girl.


So like I've said; keep your head down and power through until you reach the plot scenes where everything and everyone is better.


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Godou should take up magic as a side-job. Cause half of the authorities he has don't seem to be much more useful than their magic counterparts.
I don't disagree with the first part, but consider that Erica's considered a magic prodigy, has been training since she was a child, and her most powerful attack can barely scratch a god.

There's no telling how much time he'd need to be able to do so get something useful out of magic training. Though as a Campione, he does have advantages, there.
See, Godou suffers from one of the most annoying of desires or delusions in my opinion... At least for an action hero.

Similar to Kinji from HnA, Godou thinks that he could do some crazy shit like defeating two Gods and two Campiones (yes I'm counting Doni) AND still return to a 'normal' life that doesn't change.

That means he probably isn't too keen on letting magic or any sort of training enter his 'normal life' if he doesn't have to.
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Old 2012-08-25, 15:25   Link #1072
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I agree. He should focus on trying not to die for a bit...
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Old 2012-08-25, 15:27   Link #1073
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I agree. He should focus on trying not to die for a bit...
Heh, 3 out of his 10 powers have self-healing and life preserving properties
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Old 2012-08-25, 16:18   Link #1074
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here's a bigger problem hes gotta get a new power cause without the girls he'd be toast even with the ram
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Old 2012-08-25, 16:26   Link #1075
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here's a bigger problem hes gotta get a new power cause without the girls he'd be toast even with the ram
I think a lot could be solved if he just accepted he's going to need an escort, maybe for the rest of his life. Or at least until he becomes a more independent god-slayer, which isn't going to happen unless he makes it happen.
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Old 2012-08-25, 16:37   Link #1076
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Heh, 3 out of his 10 powers have self-healing and life preserving properties
Hopefully, he figures out to combine powers into combo attacks.

Activate Sun, combine Bird+Boar to SuperSpeed Tackle the badguy straight into the sun.

Seems the only useful attack he has the Sword, which all he needs is to kiss some girl. The sun move on Athena was just because it was SuperEffective against her.

Still, Erica might be one thing, but I'm surprised it seems that Yuri and Lilliana just happens by luck to know 100% of the history of random god of the month they encounter.
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Old 2012-08-25, 16:52   Link #1077
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a lot would be solved if he just killed another god i mean damn he let perseus go let athena go and both of their authorities would make him so much better
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Old 2012-08-25, 16:59   Link #1078
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Hopefully, he figures out to combine powers into combo attacks.

Activate Sun, combine Bird+Boar to SuperSpeed Tackle the badguy straight into the sun.
... And burn with him?

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Seems the only useful attack he has the Sword, which all he needs is to kiss some girl.
The Goat's can be useful too... But really, it's all a matter of circumstances.
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The sun move on Athena was just because it was SuperEffective against her.
It didn't work against Voban because he had the authority of a sun God. But there are plenty of gods who aren't sun gods.

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Still, Erica might be one thing, but I'm surprised it seems that Yuri and Lilliana just happens by luck to know 100% of the history of random god of the month they encounter.
Yuri divined it from her Spirit Vision, where she's said to have one of the best in the world, if not the best.

As for Liliana, she's had the same kind of education as Erica, and is acknowledged as her rival. There's no reason she wouldn't be as knowledgeable on the subject as Erica.
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Old 2012-08-25, 17:23   Link #1079
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You don't understand; if they are enjoying it meaning liking it, they don't need to cope with anything because they love every bit of it no matter what, or even if there is some parts they don't like it would be so minor that they would just overlook it. Either way there is nothing to cope. If they are having problems with it, ie. people like me and wilf, then we are the ones that need to 'cope' because we have some real issue with how things are being handled.


And they like to act like the LN's romcom is better- but it's not. It's the same thing maybe worse if you don't like the same thing; just add more Erica being smirk-manipulative, more Yuri being naggy, more Shizuka giving her brother a hard time, and more Godou being tossed around by the whims of every girl.


So like I've said; keep your head down and power through until you reach the plot scenes where everything and everyone is better.
Well, I guess that's another way to look at it. I haven't given up on this yet. I do like how the story plays with existing mythology, and the way magic and divine power works. I'm just not too hot on some of the characters. Mostly the girls, and I'm hoping that character development will happen in the future. Like for example, either Erica learning that force won't get her what she wants, or Godou growing some backbone and actually calling her out on it. Although I guess he tried that a few times already to no avail.

I still believe that if Erica were a dude and Godou were a guy, people would be raving about how bad of a person Erica would be rather than being all "OMG she's so hot I wish a girl came onto me like that and Godou must be gay or something".
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Old 2012-08-25, 17:40   Link #1080
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I still believe that if Erica were a dude and Godou were a guy, people would be raving about how bad of a person Erica would be rather than being all "OMG she's so hot I wish a girl came onto me like that and Godou must be gay or something".

I haven't seen Hagure and I don't intend to, but doesn't that series have a sexual deviant protagonist? In which case it shows that people would just think he's badass for being different than other protagonists.
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