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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 08
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... 56 38.62%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 52 35.86%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 24 16.55%
7 out of 10: Good... 9 6.21%
6 out of 10: Average... 1 0.69%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 1 0.69%
4 out of 10: Poor... 0 0%
3 out of 10: Bad... 0 0%
2 out of 10: Very Bad... 0 0%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 2 1.38%
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Old 2012-08-26, 02:23   Link #181
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However, I can't help but feel some "implied sexism" here in that Asuna was doing pretty much all the work whilst Kirito just stood there. Could have at least asked if Asuna needed or something even if she didn't.
I'm not going to deny that SAO plays up gender stereotypes sometimes, but in this case I think it makes sense. The deal was, Kirito provides the rare ingredient and Asuna does the cooking (which she's mad skilled at). Besides - I think it was pretty clear than in SAO "cooking" really doesn't involve any work (or fun) at all.

If anything bothered me in the episode sexism-wise, it was the way Asuna hid behind Kirito when Kuradeel appeared. I could've lived without that.
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Old 2012-08-26, 02:33   Link #182
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If anything bothered me in the episode sexism-wise, it was the way Asuna hid behind Kirito when Kuradeel appeared. I could've lived without that.
Asuna: *hides behind Kirito
Kirito: "What's is it, Asuna?"
Asuna: *Looks at Kirito with cute eyes "Asuna is scared."
Kirito: *hugs Asuna "Ahhh.. Asuna... KAwAii!!!!"
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Old 2012-08-26, 02:40   Link #183
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How exactly did Kirito win the duel?
because the other guy quit...
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Old 2012-08-26, 02:42   Link #184
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because the other guy quit...
He didn't bother to do it the third time... it's humiliating already... hehehe
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Old 2012-08-26, 02:57   Link #185
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Very nice episode, lizardman and skeleton fights were good enough to get my weekly fight fix. Asuna said the A.I. gets better after 70F, that should deter quite a few people from venturing any further for a while. The rabbit stew cooking was also played out well imo, I wonder if high-rank rare food also increases max stats or something...it sure tasted good though

Asuna maxing out her cooking skill shouldn't be so surprising - food is one of the few pleasures in Aincrad, it's only natural that people would be drawn to unknown flavors that they could only dream of experiencing in the real world. Plus, it's been two years since they started playing, so of course people would have a secondary skill or two (in Kirito's case, I think he's got a bit of everything on decent levels).

What I didn't understand was Kirito's progression. He told Asuna he's a slacker who grinds while keeping a safe margin, but we saw him in 74F at the beginning of the episode AND at the end, with the boss room intact, meaning he's actually in the front lines. Maybe he's LV85 or something...

Kradeel feels so out of place. A guy in his fifties who stalks a little girl and is butthurt because Kirito was a beta tester, not admitting blatant defeat, etc...it would have been much better if he was 12 or something.

I like how Aincrad is becoming a good world to live in, rather than the prison that it was in ep.1...less than 500 people now give everything they've got to clear the game and nothing is pointless - they'll be here for a long time, so getting your own house, cooking or just walking around all have their own meaning. I wonder if Kayaba's goal was to see how many people will want to escape his world, eventually...

Laughing coffin dude smiling at the duel...no comment, highly doubt they can even touch Kirito or Asuna.


Complaint of the episode: no ridiculous faces overwhelmed with the pleasure of rabbit stew, Toriko-style
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:05   Link #186
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If anything bothered me in the episode sexism-wise, it was the way Asuna hid behind Kirito when Kuradeel appeared. I could've lived without that.
There comes a point where such a comment is just of the same corrosive nature as the US's ultra PC environment where anything and everything is construed as a slant against a gender, race, or you you name it.

We're talking about the same writer here that wrote AW. You know Haru and how he tends to depend on KYH at points of the story for psychological support and what not? Is this sexist against males now too?

Construing this as a sexist portrayal of women is laughable at best and isn't really grounded in anything. Sorry Enzo, I think you're stretching it here way too much.

When the story starts mentioning anything about gender roles in an overt way, then we can talk.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:05   Link #187
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Asuna = Tsundere with fork. Really like her expression when she threaten Kirito with a fork...twice. Her pose is just awesome.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:11   Link #188
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Laughing coffin dude smiling at the duel...no comment, highly doubt they can even touch Kirito or Asuna.
They don't need to touch either, and doubt they even have any interest in killing them.

Seems more likely that they want to stop the clearing group from advancing cause they don't want to return to the boring real world. Best way would be to cause internal strife.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:17   Link #189
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They don't need to touch either, and doubt they even have any interest in killing them.

Seems more likely that they want to stop the clearing group from advancing cause they don't want to return to the boring real world. Best way would be to cause internal strife.
Laughing Coffin is worth a laugh... They can't possibly kill everyone... as if the population will forever be constant... people die due to mobs... suicides and murder...

They're scared to return because of the expenses and the crime they had already committed...
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:24   Link #190
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It is precisely because games don't correspond with reality that we can discern their mechanics. Games are designed with purpose. Everything in the game is either there for a reason or an obscure oversight. Being able to interact with and remove other people's weapons in an area designated as "safe" is more than an obscure oversight.

I would have no problems with Kuradeel's dagger bouncing off her sword. Collision happens, and if Immortal Object came into play it'd likely be an even stronger impact. But disarming is something else entirely.
But the only case where it's a problem is when it contradicts prior information. Sure, towns are safe zones, but if hostility is activated this goes out the window, and these rules no longer apply. The other people were protected, for example.

It's possible the system is where one needs to set a flag that one can be susceptible to another attack. It's also possible that the duel can be forcefully cancelled. The fight already kinda ended, after all at that point.

To me it just seems like a simplification of a game element, aka the natural conservation of detail that is mandatory for storytelling. Since it's a small detail, it doesn't warrant an explanation either, though they could have done it better.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:26   Link #191
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Kuradeel seems pedo stalker to me.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:30   Link #192
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Kuradeel seems pedo stalker to me.
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Old 2012-08-26, 03:59   Link #193
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She was clearly teasing him to see his reaction to the idea that other guys are interested in her.
After thinking on it more, I see your point.

Initially, I found it odd for Asuna to say what she did, because it's incredibly obvious that she'd be attracting the attention of other guys. So her being genuinely annoyed at marriage proposals strikes me as very possible, so my initial interpretation was to take it as a totally sincere complaint, coupled with not wanting Kirito to add on to her frustration.

But now that I think about it more, Asuna bringing it up likely is a tease because it's self-evident. In other words, there's no other practical reason to bring it up. Kirito is hardly the sort of person to casually make marriage proposals, even given the circumstances.


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You don't think the discussion about people accepting SAO as a new reality would've been much weaker if we hadn't seen Scilica risking her life for her dragon, or Liz leading a comfortable life as a smith, or Kirito arguing against using NPCs as cannon fodder?
No, not really. I think that simply getting to see Kirito and Asuna walking around towns, enjoying the sites, and putting so much emphasis on enjoying a S-Class ingredient in a meal together in a really nice home, makes it very clear how people can live a comfortable life in this game world.


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You don't Kirito immediately identifying Asuna as a great cook works better after seeing the sandwich scene from Episode 6?
It works fine regardless. Accepting that Asuna is a great cook is hardly a big deal, with or without the sandwich scene backing it up.


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You don't think the Laughing Coffin scene would've been a total WTF moment if we hadn't been introduced to them already?
No, I don't. I think it would have captured a nice air of mystery and intrigue.


You know, I find your line of argumentation (and similar ones on this thread) a bit strange. I mean, source material fans had to take in the events of this episode without the benefit of the side stories (when they were reading the actual light novels). Did source material fans have huge problems with the content of Episode 8 without having read the side story content first? If not, then why would anime-only viewers?


So partly for this reason, I disagree with the general consensus on this thread that the adaptation approach taken was the best one.

After seeing the first eight episodes, I honestly would have preferred it if we had went 1, 2, and 8 (i.e. this episode would have actually been the 3rd). I think that approach would have created a much greater sense of narrative cohesion. And it's closer to how this narrative was initially meant to be experienced.

Episode 2 was based on a side-story, but it still feels like an episode focused on the main plot, due to how the episode is all about clearing a boss. Episode 2 also introduces the concept of "beaters" - Without knowing this concept, many of the insults thrown at Kirito by Kuradeel wouldn't make any sense at all. So I see some value in Episode 2 coming before Episode 8.


But some of the in-game mechanics stuff explored in Episodes 3 through 7 could be explained without too much difficulty here in Episode 8, while other bits of it could have waited until later.

I think that the SAO anime would have been better off going 1, 2, and 8 for the first three episodes, and then handling side-arc stories in flashback episodes down the line.

Have a later episode begin with something like...

Asuna: I don't get why you're so insistent on being a solo player. It's like you had a bad experience with guilds or something...

That could easily segue into a flashback episode showing everything that was shown in Episode 3.


Another later episode could have begun with Silica and Kirito randomly running into each other in Agil's store, and the two acting friendly with one another, raising Agil's eyebrows.

Agil: That girl seems to really like you, but I've never heard you talk about her before!

Kirito: Well, I only met her once before.

Agil: Just what happened during that one meeting? This I gotta know!

That could also easily segue into a flashback episode showing everything that was shown in Episode 4.


And you could use this approach for other side-stories, scattering them about at good break points in the main plot.


Personally, I think that much of the fun of a time-skip is the mystery that it brings with it. It can be very fun to see the curtain slowly pulled back on just what happened during the time-skip. I think that the anime adaptation of SAO could have played that up really well if it hadn't went with the side-arcs first approach.

SAO is a very good anime, but I don't think it took the best possible adaptation approach. I really do think it would have been better to spread out the side stories more, rather than to front-load them all like this. And just to be clear, I write this as an anime-only viewer.
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Old 2012-08-26, 04:48   Link #194
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Every episode had a different level range around it though...going from LV2 to LV74 in one go would be very wtf. Also, each episode covered a different aspect of dungeon experiences - traps, secret items, PK zones, material hunting while at the same time shedding light on the different ways the game can be played (in guild/parties/solo/duo) and how they affect the gaming experience.
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Old 2012-08-26, 04:59   Link #195
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Could have at least asked if Asuna needed or something even if she didn't.
If you are unable to perform any sort of assistance to the task at hand it seems kind of dumb to ask if you can help if you know you're just going to have to say that you can't do anything you'll be asked to do.
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Old 2012-08-26, 05:02   Link #196
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All in all, I think this was a good episode. Not really much that I will add except that this was well done, I quite like it and I just wish they could have had a longer fight, but I know they need to save the budget fr the next ep.

Also Asuna is win. Absolutely win.
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Old 2012-08-26, 05:08   Link #197
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The second half though I'm more critical. Apart from the obvious eyerolling boobgrab/tsundere moment (sigh...), I did not like the fact that Kirito had to take on the "white kinght" role to save Asuna from being brought back to her guild. I mean cmon! Asuna is a strong person, no need for damsel in distress syndrome.
He wasn't "saving" Asuna. He was just proving to Asuna's bodyguard that he was more than capable of escorting her and if need be protecting her. Once Kirito demonstrated how useless random bodyguard guy was, Asuna stepped in and relieved him of his duties.

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Also, the fight scenes. I donno, but A-1 Pictures is a pretty damn wealthy studio (It's Aniplex's baby) and we are getting some of the cheapest and shortcut fight scenes in the game. It's not very visually cool to look at and SAO isn't some slice of life/drama show so I do expect some decent action scenes which I have been robbed off since post episode 2, which was the last time I got something visually pleasing action-wise. I mean it's a duel, and I want goddamn proper duel, not some sissy onestrike, slow-motion.
It wasn't that hard to see Kirito, as the person being challenged to the duel, selecting First Strike mode in the menu when he accepted the duel request. I only watched the episode once and I wasn't even looking that closely and I saw him poke First Strike mode with his finger. The duel automatically was supposed to end the moment one person scored an attack which connected on the other. It didn't because Kirito destroyed bodyguard guy's weapon instead, which is why Asuna had to intervene because bodyguard guy wasn't taking the hint and tried to attack again with another weapon.
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Old 2012-08-26, 05:09   Link #198
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I really enjoyed this episode, pretty near perfect to me. It's nice to finally be on the main story now, but unlike many others I enjoyed most of the sides >->.

I like the pacing of the episode itself has me looking forward for whats to come in the next few eps.
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Old 2012-08-26, 05:11   Link #199
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Well looks like I can finally stop calling this show Side Arcs Online now!

Pretty good episode overall. I really liked the first half of the episode where it was focusing on the everyday antics of the SAO world and we got some nice relationship development for Kirito x Asuna. I'm not really a shipper, but I did find it warm and cute . Though I did lol at the notion that Asuna did have to have maximum cooking, and she's a girl, and Kirito didn't even help out - he just stood there and watched so ... implied sexism there? .

The second half though I'm more critical. Apart from the obvious eyerolling boobgrab/tsundere moment (sigh...), I did not like the fact that Kirito had to take on the "white kinght" role to save Asuna from being brought back to her guild. I mean cmon! Asuna is a strong person, no need for damsel in distress syndrome.

Also, the fight scenes. I donno, but A-1 Pictures is a pretty damn wealthy studio (It's Aniplex's baby) and we are getting some of the cheapest and shortcut fight scenes in the game. It's not very visually cool to look at and SAO isn't some slice of life/drama show so I do expect some decent action scenes which I have been robbed off since post episode 2, which was the last time I got something visually pleasing action-wise. I mean it's a duel, and I want goddamn proper duel, not some sissy onestrike, slow-motion. This is a real duel for example (Seirei no Moribito episode 3 - spoiler warning).

Otherwise, it was still a pretty good episode and I'm glad that the main plot is back. I was really losing my patience.
She wasn't really in a Damsel in destress situation, I think any girl her age would find it creepy that some old man was waiting outside her house for her >_>.
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Old 2012-08-26, 05:23   Link #200
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I still don't see how Asuna doing the cooking is sexist.

Kirito contracted Asuna for some cooking. She did some cooking. How is this sexist?
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