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Old 2012-08-26, 21:32   Link #1041
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Actually, given the suspicious conditions of the match- having two people on the same side 'fight' each other, I wonder why none of them saw this as rigged from the start.

Also, why is Juubei being sent alone with ALL THAT MONEY?
She is still Nobuna's General, this one event probably will not cause her to rebel. I re watch the episode 4 times and it seems like she haven't grasp what happen and why Nobuna and the others were giving her distasteful looks. It looks like she snapped out of it in the next episode base off the preview.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:38   Link #1042
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She is still Nobuna's General, this one event probably will not cause her to rebel. I re watch the episode 4 times and it seems like she haven't grasp what happen and why Nobuna and the others were giving her distasteful looks. It looks like she snapped out of it in the next episode base off the preview.
Forget rebelling, what if she got robbed ? She might be a General but she's not stab proof.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:42   Link #1043
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Actually, given the suspicious conditions of the match- having two people on the same side 'fight' each other, I wonder why none of them saw this as rigged from the start.
I'm pretty sure Sagara and the others already knew something was wrong, it's just that nobody is a psychic (Hanbei's off to the battlefield, so no Onmyoudo help to let them see through the trickery haha) to know where it began and how, plus they already obtained their objective although the events leading to it were filled with a foul taste, so even if they want to set things right, it might have been too late.

Plus the ally merchant doesn't seem to be someone who gets easily disheartened at that loss, and he knew his rival was cheating.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:45   Link #1044
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Forget rebelling, what if she got robbed ? She might be a General but she's not stab proof.
Well considering that almost every retainer and General that Nobuna has got combat experience and specialize in a type of skill, I say she is highly stab proof. Akechi is probably the most balance among the retainers Nobuna have. Katsuie specialize, well I think it is obvious she specialize in combat. Niwa specialize in Strategy. Akechi is the balance between the two since she is in the Mitsuhide clan which is known for the specialize of the arts (poetry and etc) and are Samurai for generations. Assassinating her isn't easy, it would take someone as a Daimyo or General.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:51   Link #1045
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Well considering that almost every retainer and General that Nobuna has got combat experience and specialize in a type of skill, I say she is highly stab proof. Akechi is probably the most balance among the retainers Nobuna have. Katsuie specialize, well I think it is obvious she specialize in combat. Niwa specialize in Strategy. Akechi is the balance between the two since she is in the Mitsuhide clan which is known for the specialize of the arts (poetry and etc) and are Samurai for generations. Assassinating her isn't easy, it would take someone as a Daimyo or General.
Yes she can fight, but she's only one person- with that amount of money walking around you're going to have alot of people willing to work together, and not all thugs are stupid. Juubei doesn't have eyes on her back.

Hell they wouldn't even have to fight her- a simple distract and snatch and run into some alley would do...Juubei herself looks like she's on autopilot already...
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:54   Link #1046
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It looks like she isn't carrying the money at the moment. Nobuna did say get the money to the guy (Forgot his name) who looks like a Cat Fish in the morning. The money is probably in her battle tent or house with guards.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:58   Link #1047
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But wow, she has to be so dense, what with being consumed with the desire for glory, to not see that her victory was rigged.
Do mind that despite the boobs, lolis, and the comedy we have an actual WAR going on, with people actually fighting and dying, and all the participants have more than just their ideals and reputations on the line. Whether Juubei realized the whole thing was rigged or not, in her view she succeeded in securing funds for her lord and achieved a total victory, and total victory can justify anything in wartime where the stakes are very real and very high. We can criticize her actions on moral grounds but that's a luxury that only the generations that come after a war have.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:59   Link #1048
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It looks like she isn't carrying the money at the moment. Nobuna did say get the money to the guy (Forgot his name) who looks like a Cat Fish in the morning. The money is probably in her battle tent or house with guards.
My bad, for some reason I keep thinking that envelope is the money... Like some medieval bank note I know the Chinese had something like that so I automatically assumed...
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:03   Link #1049
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My bad, for some reason I keep thinking that envelope is the money... Like some medieval bank note I know the Chinese had something like that so I automatically assumed...
The letter is from her mother who is ill, and may be the source for her not realizing what she done. Her mother was the only person she knew at the time who realize her potential and talent, Nobuna became the second. She wanted to prove to Nobuna she was the best asset to her, but forgot many thing that Nobuna values along the way.

As Shinova said, for the war she done the right thing, but morally she done something bad. As well place some doubts on Nobuna who want to achieve peace and prosperity for the United Japan she dreams of. If you were the head of an army and one of your right hand man has a different view of how you want something done, it will cause confusion in the whole army.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:04   Link #1050
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My bad, for some reason I keep thinking that envelope is the money... Like some medieval bank note I know the Chinese had something like that so I automatically assumed...
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I guess I thought exactly what you just said. Never consider that notes may have not exist back then.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:04   Link #1051
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Whether Juubei realized the whole thing was rigged or not, in her view she succeeded in securing funds for her lord and achieved a total victory, and total victory can justify anything in wartime where the stakes are very real and very high. We can criticize her actions on moral grounds but that's a luxury that only the generations that come after a war have.
Yes but the problem is that its not just us that are criticizing her actions, its the "in world" characters as-well.

Sure the end justifies the means mentality may be appropriate sometimes but in this case it just make her seem petty, this is furthermore complemented by the fact that technically they would have gotten the money regardless of who won since it was Oda faction in both the red and blue teams.

She just wanted to show off and prove her own superiority to everyone, something that she utterly failed to achieve.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:18   Link #1052
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Do mind that despite the boobs, lolis, and the comedy we have an actual WAR going on, with people actually fighting and dying, and all the participants have more than just their ideals and reputations on the line. Whether Juubei realized the whole thing was rigged or not, in her view she succeeded in securing funds for her lord and achieved a total victory, and total victory can justify anything in wartime where the stakes are very real and very high. We can criticize her actions on moral grounds but that's a luxury that only the generations that come after a war have.
Hey, chill, just sayan'. I like pointing (obvious) things out. Like, blurting out "Hey, that's sly!" while pointing at the screen.

After all, it's not like she isn't learning.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:31   Link #1053
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Oh she's learning alright, I just hope that she doesn't back herself into a corner.

She's pushing herself to much "something that quiet a few of the characters tend to do" to achieve and as a result sometimes winds up cutting corners to reach her goals.

Its just that that kind of corner cutting conflicts with Nobuna's way of doing things.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:54   Link #1054
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Seen the subbed....

Sagara has just manipulated Japan's history by introducing Mayonaise....


Oh... forgot to mention the elephants.... Hanbei-Chan is sure is smart using fire against them...

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Old 2012-08-26, 23:01   Link #1055
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Seen the subbed....

Sagara has just manipulated Japan's history by introducing Mayonaise....
What about Deep fried food?
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Old 2012-08-26, 23:16   Link #1056
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What about Deep fried food?
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Old 2012-08-26, 23:36   Link #1057
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I enjoyed the episode despite Akechi's jerkass attitude.
Next episode looks like a more action focused one. Can't wait until next sunday.
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Old 2012-08-26, 23:37   Link #1058
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What about Deep fried food?
First pre-fabricated structures and then mayo and fried food. Truly Saru is an innovator... by going back in time and stealing other people ideas.

Also, a gender-swapped Oda Nobunaga judging a cooking contest, now I HAVE seen everything. And before you ask, I have seen a man eat his own head! (South Park/Team America reference)

That said, I think its about time Sagara learns to use a katana, a naginata, a Tanegashima musket or something... Personally, if I were in Saru's place, that would be the first thing I'd do.

Personally I'd go with a Tanegashima with a few custom additions- a bayonet, double barrel, and if possible, rifling. Also, perhaps a pair of custom double barreled versions matchlock pistols. Imagine something like these, but with two barrels and maybe a more "modern"-looking grip. Also, of course, some sort of melee weapon, like a katana.

Also, does anyone know how many episodes this series is? I wonder if they'll make it to the Battle of Nagashino, and of that matter, if it will reveal if Nobuna manages to escape the fate of her real-life counterpart?

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Personally I'd go with a Tanegashima with a few custom additions- a bayonet, double barrel, and if possible, rifling. Also, perhaps a pair of custom double barreled versions matchlock pistols. Imagine something like these, but with two barrels and maybe a more "modern"-looking grip. Also, of course, some sort of melee weapon, like a katana.
For me, a heavy shielded samurai phalanx with guns as support and light lancer cavalry for all out pursuit will make Saru an unbeatable tactician and strategist..!!!

What am I saying Saru (aka. Hideyoshi) has already made himself stand with the great militarist geniuses of the world.
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Old 2012-08-27, 00:46   Link #1060
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I had this weird feeling when Sagara told Louise that the future he's from is peaceful with no wars Maybe he's just referring to Japan but still...



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Oh... forgot to mention the elephants.... Hanbei-Chan is sure is smart using fire against them...
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