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Old 2012-08-26, 13:05   Link #181
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2 Ryuusei rule XP.
Also people hate him for same reason Shin hate Kira > enter other pepole show and steal it...
(Joke)
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Old 2012-08-26, 17:13   Link #182
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Really? Man, I wish I could meet those fan when I was playing OG2. Why must I only see the haters since 2006?

And there is still Beowulf, so people who say he doesn't have anything left for story are just hating him. But hey, I don't care if he's relevant to the story or not, as long as he's there, I will use him, and that's my way of enjoying the game.
I already explained it. Kyosuke has been the Main Character since OG2, OGS, Inspectors Anime, the SRW OVA(That was used for OGG later), and OGG. People are tired of him and since he has no more story he needs to make way for those that still do and the New Blood.

That and he also has an alternate version of himself as the main villan in Axel's world and in the Inspectors Anime.

Too much of anything is a bad thing.
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Old 2012-08-26, 20:41   Link #183
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And I already said it. I don't care if he's the main character or not. As long as he's usable, that's enough for me. I just hate how people made a fuss about his appearance in the intro movie of the last PV, honestly.
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Old 2012-08-26, 21:08   Link #184
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It's because he isn't important to the stories anymore, they want to see characters that will be important(Like the Raioh) show up not more Kyosuke even though he's not joining till later and is a mentor now.

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Old 2012-08-26, 21:25   Link #185
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Though given the force composition, it'd be hard for them to run the force efficiently if the PT Field Commander is missing.
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Old 2012-08-26, 22:18   Link #186
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Well we can have Kai doing that...
But they are mostly split up now, until a giant alien threat or something, they reunite, and Kyosuke is the field commander again.
Happens pretty much every time.
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Old 2012-08-27, 00:32   Link #187
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Indeed, everyone was sent all around the world after OGG. There's no need to have such a large force together all the time. Or such powerful mecha, hence why Ryusei will most likely not be starting in the R1 and the SRX wont be formable until later. Most likely because of testing issues as they work on the SRX successor and the individual ART series. Which should be getting everyone excited since we may get to finally see the rest of the ART units and maybe get an upgrade for the R-Gun. Heck the R-Sword may even get completed!
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Old 2012-08-28, 01:17   Link #188
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I can't wait for compilation video of Excellen's making reference of other mecha anime/tokusatsu/etc when she's using other unit's attack
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Old 2012-08-28, 11:27   Link #189
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I already explained it. Kyosuke has been the Main Character since OG2, OGS, Inspectors Anime, the SRW OVA(That was used for OGG later), and OGG. People are tired of him and since he has no more story he needs to make way for those that still do and the New Blood.

That and he also has an alternate version of himself as the main villan in Axel's world and in the Inspectors Anime.

Too much of anything is a bad thing.
the heck?

Inspectors is an anime adaptation of OG2, and half of OGS is OG2

of course they're the bloody same thing. If he's the main character in one, of course you expect that to carry on to all other ports. Additionally, Einst Kyousuke being Axel's nemesis was already in the original GBA OG2, and implied in the SRW A.

he was not the main character in OGG, either. That role goes to Kouta and Folka

As far as I'm concerned, Kyousuke anti trolling is purely a 4chan thing. It might even be a meme. (ie: not to be taken seriously)

I've seen anything like this on 2ch SRW boards. EVER
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Old 2012-08-28, 13:01   Link #190
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the kyousuke overflow is a western issue. But seriously, let's look at what kyousuke, badass normal, and Excellen has to contend with for the "spotlight"

SRX Team: Team of Psychodrivers in a combining unit with 5 personalities to bounce off each other with. Plot-wise they have Banpreios to bring out still.
SRW4 duo: We're finally kicking in for Guest stuff in the future, despite them being their Alpha-verse selves.
Alpha 1 Octet: Who knows where they'll develop these.
Alpha 2 Quartet: We're hitting Ibis, continuing Kusuha, Arad is resolved, as is Zengar(technically, but I can see Kukuru siding with Youkijin or Garden of Baral)
MX: Plot is hitting home
D: Plot is booting up
Masoukishin: We now have waaaay more plot material to use thanks to Masoukishin 2, but we're not even through the first game, plus there's still SRWEX.
Hero Senki: Being Guilliam is Suffering.
R: Resolved(I hope the Guest/Alpha 3 finale game gets them off their pacifist stance so that we get our Gunner and Diver frames)
Compact 3: Resolved
RRR: Ariel and Duvan bringing their fight here.

People who complain about Kyosuke need to realize that chain of command does not work that way. Kai in control of everything does not work as well due to unit tactics and application to an actual battalion. the ATX team was built around mixed unit tactics and how to utilize SR units in conjunction with specialist RR units, if you think about it.

You had in the beginning.
1 SR(Sanger)
1 RR Melee(Kyousuke)
1 RR Ranged(Excellen)
1 Telekinetic(Bullet)

Mid-OG1
1 SR/Telekinetic(Kusuha)
1 RR Melee(Kyousuke)
1 RR Ranged(Excellen)
1 Telekinetic/SR or RR(Bullet, depending on Grungust Type 1 unit 2 or Huckebine Mk. II)

OG2
1 SR(Lamia)
1 RR Melee
1 RR Ranged
2 SR or RR/Telekinetic(Bullet and Kusuha)

In comparison, what do we have from the others?
Kai: Nothing but Gespenst
Guilliam: Better off as an Informant
Katina: Would rather frontline groundpound as a grunt.
Sanger: declines due to OG1 betrayal to DC still stuck on his mind.
Viletta: Wants to focus on developing the SRX team exclusively, as per orders from Ingram.
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Old 2012-08-28, 17:29   Link #191
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SRX Team: Team of Psychodrivers in a combining unit with 5 personalities to bounce off each other with. Plot-wise they have Banpreios to bring out still.
...Rai is not Psychodrivers...

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Kai: Nothing but Gespenst
That's racist comment... have you try to let Kai use Gespenst Kai? (joke + bad pun I know -_-)

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Old 2012-08-28, 22:07   Link #192
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Kyosuke isn't the only leader though. Besides, when he does appear he steals the show and those like Kai don't even get a chance to lead. They're benched when the team gets Kyosuke who eats up a lot of screen time.
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Old 2012-08-28, 22:46   Link #193
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Erm....why would you benched Kai when you get Kyosuke? Isn't whom you deploy totally depends on your choice?

Honestly, OG is the game where I just use whoever (read: everyone) I like, and I don't feel like benching anyone, so I don't understand people who love to min-max in SRW. Even someone like me could defeat the Inspector in OG2 to get those bonus rewards.

And Gespenst is <3. More Gespenst is always a good thing.
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Old 2012-08-28, 23:05   Link #194
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You aren't paying attention at all. Kai's story significance drops sharply when Kyosuke is in the picture. Sure they're both leaders but that doesn't change that Kai has almost nothing to say or contribute compared to Kyosuke who gets a ton of screen time just because he's Kyosuke even if what's being discussed has nothing to do with him.
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Old 2012-08-28, 23:59   Link #195
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Mind enlightening me since when did Kai's story actually get significance for it to "drops sharply" when Kyosuke is in the picture? Or is it just in your mind that whenever Kai made his appearance, his story must be important?
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Old 2012-08-29, 01:20   Link #196
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Kai has ALWAYS been a background character. His tour of duty happened with Guilliam, Sanger, Tempest, Elzam, and Carwei Lau when the first goddamn gespenst was put into action. His actions in OGG were just something he wanted to do as a Gespenst lover for Gespenst loving pilots. Sure, his story value steps up as a result of him taking custody of Arado, Seolla, and Latooni, but that's seperate from the plot ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY PRIOR MATERIAL(OG OVA, which covers the Bartoll Incident. Kai's moment of shining against the Wendigo was from the OG Chronicle Manga, thus shorter.)

In summary: everyone has their moments. It's up to the writer as to whom to base the primary axis off of. Besides, for OG1 you couldn't get Kai if you didn't go Kyousuke route, so that's a direct counterpoint to your arguement since without kyousuke OG1, you wouldn't get all 4 allied Aggressors against the Aerogator Gespenst.
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Old 2012-08-29, 02:08   Link #197
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That still doesn't change that before he joined up with Kyosuke he was actually a leader and did things on his own. The moment he joined Kyosuke he stopped doing anything and everyone turned to Kyosuke as the leader.

And no, Kai still has story left while Kyosuke doesn't. If anything Kyosuke is a background character, literally. He's only there to support the others because the reason he was important was wrapped up in OGG.

Not everyone can have their moments when Kyosuke stole the show and was forced down everyone's throats game after game and had an anime where he was thrust as the main lead and everyone else was toned down so he could shine even more brightly.
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Old 2012-08-29, 09:31   Link #198
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Not everyone can have their moments when Kyosuke stole the show and was forced down everyone's throats game after game and had an anime where he was thrust as the main lead and everyone else was toned down so he could shine even more brightly.
Well, that's your opinion, because in my perspective everyone has their moment to shine, but you are so fixated to Kyosuke that it seems like you don't even care about others.

And I'm done with this. This is going nowhere. I'm sure that even Kyosuke has or doesn't has his plot in OGs2nd, I will still enjoy the game to its fullest without being bitter about it.
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Old 2012-08-29, 11:39   Link #199
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Think of it like this
A main story = about A
B main story = about B
C main story = about C
D main story = about D

But when Kyosuke join it become story about A + Kyosuke, B + Kyosuke, C + Kyosuke, D + Kyosuke even though he have nothing to do or add with abcd story at all...
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Old 2012-08-29, 12:34   Link #200
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How could it become ABCD + Kyosuke when he has nothing to do or add to their story? Isn't that the same as any character that presents at the moment of ABCD's story is going on?
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