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Old 2012-08-29, 19:32   Link #201
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I would have prefered Tobi to be Obito's father, 'cause I quite liked Cael's theory and thought that the motivation of this specific character would have been clear.
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It needs a little explaining for Obito's motivations, though.
Yeah, I totally don't get how Obito could change his character so much, even if there was brainwashing involved.

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Of course, at this point there is still the possibility that it may just be Obito's body
I think that is what I'm hoping for. The scars on his face pretty much confirm that it is Obito's body, or at least his head...

The fact that this chapter has no dialogue may hint that these memories are being viewed by someone who did not create them.

Zetsu is able to "record" what he sees for Tobi to view later. Perhaps this is what it's like when Tobi views Zetsu's recordings/memories and it's the same when viewing Obito's memories from within.

There is a connection between Tobi and Zetsu that has yet to be revealed. Their faces and hair style is similar, they both have similar split personalities and Tobi is first seen with Zetsu searching for Sasori's ring.
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Old 2012-08-29, 19:57   Link #202
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Oh wow. What a chapter. Gai vs. Obito--epic.

It's so funny that the Obito=Tobi theory popped up almost as soon as the character was introduced. Even after he was "revealed" as Madara, there was always those die-hards who believed.

I haven't read the reactions much, but I'm sure this has hardly been a surprise to anyone on these forums, even if you never really bought Tobi=Obito. But I'm really, really interested in how Obito's story unfolds. It's been the source of so much speculation. For years, folks have been arguing the timeline, how Obito could've survived (or brought back from death). Trying to make the pieces fit. And one of the biggest argument against was always how Obito goes from kind-hearted screw-up to evil mastermind kage-level ninja a few years. The whole "Madara's spirit in Obito's body" doesn't really fit when Madara's spirit is in the Edo Tensei body.

Yeah, and what the hell happened to Rin? Hope we find out.
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Old 2012-08-29, 20:45   Link #203
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Said murderous intent was directed towards the S-Class criminal that killed his family though.
-True, but he also claimed that once he gave said S-rank criminal a lethal dose of rigor mortis he'd get right on track to reviving his clan. Last I checked, he's still stuck in step 1, except the target is an entire village.

-Man, I do so love how all these psychological problems and emotional imbalances are so rampart in manga and anime, but there's never a professional counselor/psychiatrist in sight. Instead they just let their destructive feelings fester and reach the eventual extreme conclusion. Thankfully for every crazy, revenge/murder obsessed antagonist, there's a warrior therapist protagonist that will beat some sense back into their skulls.
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Old 2012-08-29, 21:31   Link #204
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I think Kishi was like "Let's make things simple and go with Obito. Make the fans happy."
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Old 2012-08-29, 21:53   Link #205
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Well...talk about lackluster and obvious.

Here, I was hoping that there was a silver lining somewhere that it wasn't that lame rugrat. But the author still went for the most obvious choice. Not like we haven't seen these archetype villians one too many times. Sprinkle in some red herrings here and there to throw us off the trail. Sure it made guessing his identity more fun.

But it's time to pinch myself in the face, and remember to not take these fictional stories too seriously. Otherwise, I'll feel more disappointed.

Blah.
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:10   Link #206
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So Obito was pretty much exactly like Naruto back in the day, a goofball with less talent on the surface, a rivalry with the more talented team member, and an unrequited love. Maybe he became a villain because Rin was in love with Kakashi.
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:24   Link #207
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So Obito was pretty much exactly like Naruto back in the day, a goofball with less talent on the surface, a rivalry with the more talented team member, and an unrequited love. Maybe he became a villain because Rin was in love with Kakashi.
itachi did say....if you do everything yourself and dont rely on people you will become just like madara/tobi. foreshadowing!
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:25   Link #208
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All I'll say about this chapter is that Asuma and Kurenai made a really cute couple. Too bad he croaked and killed off their relationship. Hopefully his student Shikamaru makes up for it with Temari. Oh, and nice to see the current jonin as kids.

Interesting in how ObitoRin was exactly like NaruSaku. I am beginning to think Hinata is a red herring and Naruto will succeed where Obito failed.

The rest can't be judged until Kishi explains a ton of stuff.
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:35   Link #209
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The rest can't be judged until Kishi explains a ton of stuff.
Too many potholes, and not enought dialogue to make a commitment.

All this chapter confirmed was that he looks like obito... Something everyone thought all along lol
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:38   Link #210
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I'm...still going to need a better Hannibal lecture after this, because I'm still not buying what Kishi is trying to sell with Obito...

I was actually much more interested in seeing how some things were in the flashback portion of the chapter (Which is like, 93% of the chapter) than the foregone reveal at the end of it...
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:46   Link #211
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I'm going out on a limb and say tobi is really Rin. After all she was in the chapter too and no one really knows if she is really dead or not, at least I don't think.
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Old 2012-08-29, 23:07   Link #212
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You may have a point, probably Rin returned to the area where Obito's body lies then used a forbidden technique that encompasses the Ino clan and somehow related to how Dan's spirit jutsu is and managed to merge with the body, then one day, Kakashi saw Rin's body and thought she was dead. Rin probably in denial with everything that transpired, so I don't know how she learn a lot from this. The ability to use only one jutsu tells everything...
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Old 2012-08-30, 01:30   Link #213
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I expect kishi will edo-tensei both of Narutos parents, along with the 3rd and some other long dead good guys through some bogus ass technique and then teach them all edo-tensei and they'll all be alive and a happy family again forever and Jaraiya never actually died, hes coming back as the next masked bad guy mastermind. He faked his own death and has been behind it all. No one is really dead in Naruto.
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Old 2012-08-30, 02:55   Link #214
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Guys I think obito and izuna are confirmed somehow related.that's how madara knows obito/tobi.i was on naruto wiki and I spotted something suspicious.check out izuna and obito's birthdate, star sign and bloodtype,they are the same.Obito might be some kind of reincarnation of izuna,izuna's son or in order for someone to take full conscious of someone those had to be some of the criteria?(if some ppl are thinking that its obitos body with someone else's conscious)that's why madara didn't like the idea of tob being around when kabuto mentioned about the fake madara.
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Old 2012-08-30, 03:14   Link #215
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I expect kishi will edo-tensei both of Narutos parents, along with the 3rd and some other long dead good guys through some bogus ass technique and then teach them all edo-tensei and they'll all be alive and a happy family again forever and Jaraiya never actually died, hes coming back as the next masked bad guy mastermind. He faked his own death and has been behind it all. No one is really dead in Naruto.
I know you're just trolling, but I still feel the need to point out that half of the characters you mention can't even BE brought back to life to begin with.
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Old 2012-08-30, 03:14   Link #216
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he also had long hair when he discussed the massacre with itachi which was after the minato fight
I forgot that, it makes sense since when meeting with Itachi he had to be a 100% perfect copy or someone of Itachi's insight would have noticed that he is fake. Of course it couldn't be the real Madara since by that he was dead and his eyes were already on Nagato. So if it was Obito then he fooled Itachi and also he was already plotting against Konoha a few years before the kyuubi attack while impersonating Madara. So did Obito change so much almost immediately after his death? That doesn't make sense.
What makes sense is that he was impersonating Madara, because if the real Madara was behind the akatsuki then both Madara and Tobi had to make sure that Nagato will continue following Madara's orders, so Tobi had to become a fake Madara to continue giving orders. But then there's a problem with the Obito theory: Obtio died after Madara died, so how could he be impersonating Madara before Madara implented his eyes into Nagato. That doesn't make sense either.

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there's a simple explanation for this although i dont really like it. if tobi can control the mizukage, he can convince kisame that he's madara.
Obito being able to control a perfect host (there were very few of them, like Bee, they can break out of a genjutsu with the tailed beast's help, since they are partners, Bee broke Sasuke's MS genjutsu easily) and a few years later controlling the Kyuubi is not beliveable at all. That level of genjutsu skill is beyond the MS/EMS level, its something that a genjutsu genius like Itachi or the real Madara can do.
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Old 2012-08-30, 03:18   Link #217
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We don't know -exactly- when Madara died though.

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"You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this"
I guess Uchihas are all melodramatic, 2-3 years ain't that long. So I cannot even call it inconsistent.

My bet : there is a Madara tag game and Obito got it.
It makes sense if you view him as pretending to be Madara.
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Old 2012-08-30, 03:32   Link #218
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Oh man, this makes things a lot confusing now. There's something wrong about Tobi being Obito :P
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Old 2012-08-30, 04:17   Link #219
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Hey, I normally don't post (I just read) but since nobody has pointed this out...:

Did anybody notice that The Third Hokage , Jaraiya, and Minato all fought their pupil right before they died?

I found that to be pretty cool...
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Old 2012-08-30, 04:20   Link #220
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I forgot that, it makes sense since when meeting with Itachi he had to be a 100% perfect copy or someone of Itachi's insight would have noticed that he is fake.
this is another reason that i think madara's spirit is in tobi as well. there's just no plausible way itachi could be fooled by obito. he's been shown as the most deductive ninja ever. he should have been able to easily spot a madara impersonator with the exception of izuna. i just cant see obito pulling a fast one on itachi. having long hair isnt enough to cut it when trying to fool the main genius ninja of the series.

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Obito being able to control a perfect host (there were very few of them, like Bee, they can break out of a genjutsu with the tailed beast's help, since they are partners, Bee broke Sasuke's MS genjutsu easily) and a few years later controlling the Kyuubi is not beliveable at all. That level of genjutsu skill is beyond the MS/EMS level, its something that a genjutsu genius like Itachi or the real Madara can do.
kyuubi control is another reason i think madara is pulling the strings of tobi. but that aside, it's still perfectly plausible that obito could cast a genjutsu on kisame to make him believe whatever he wants. kisame was basically itachi's bitch since he couldn't stand up to the MS. current tobi/obito is a badass uchiha with MS too and should have no problem casting a genjutsu on kisame

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Did anybody notice that The Third Hokage , Jaraiya, and Minato all fought their pupil right before they died?

I found that to be pretty cool...
yea. this was another point in obito theory since it echoes the student teacher relationships we have seen in the past. it is very cool. slight differences are that sarutobi knew it was orochimaru, jiraiya sort of knew what was going on but it wasn't clear and nagato wasnt even present, and minato simply did not know who he was fighting which is a bit weird and makes me think there is more to tobi than obito since obito should have said something at least slightly insinuating. also differences are that sarutobi sacrificed himself, jiraiya was beaten and minato actually won even though the kyuubi forced his sacrifice eventually

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